Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Steve Jones
This ones probably inappropriate, but no body can deny how accurate it is On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 10:25 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Morons can say what they will, because that's what they do, like trained > monkeys. "Orange man bad", good little trainee. > I can tell you this, they gave my dad his fir

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Steve Jones
Morons can say what they will, because that's what they do, like trained monkeys. "Orange man bad", good little trainee. I can tell you this, they gave my dad his first dose of remdesivere tonite, you can rest assured, podunk Illinois wouldnt be giving podunk 78 year old man a medication like that

Re: [AFMUG] OT My apologies

2020-11-11 Thread Steve Jones
I didnt mention a supreme court justice. I mentioned the supreme court. That the left has no issue destroying (hint, that's called the shot heard round the world). Point is the case, and many others. Booby traps On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:46 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > A feature of Supreme Court justi

Re: [AFMUG] OT My apologies

2020-11-11 Thread Adam Moffett
A feature of Supreme Court justices is that, although they may be appointed for someone else's political gain, once they're there they don't really have to listen to anybody.  They won't make a choice between backing Trump or backing gun rights, they'll do what they think is legally correct.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Chuck Macenski
If Trump were trying to undermine the United States, what would he be doing differently? On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:14 PM Robert wrote: > Having the DOJ chase down military people who vote out of state for years > because of normal military transfers ( 3K so far in NV ) which has been the > norma

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Robert
Having the DOJ chase down military people who vote out of state for years because of normal military transfers ( 3K so far in NV ) which has been the normal state of affairs for over 70 years and characterize that as voter fraud is going a little bit too far in my book.  I still am hoping that

Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz etiquette

2020-11-11 Thread Steve Jones
I think thats whats getting us is the dual pol burning through 2 80mhz channels at a time. I consider aviat inexpensive as its half the cost of the SAF. I love my SAF, die hard fan, but the quality is so close that the cost wins. We see latency more often for whatever reason. SAF, as long as its al

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Bill Prince
Oh. Poser. Now that's an interesting descriptor that had not come to mind for me. The ones that I've often thought of were words like fraud, cheat, con man, charlatan, crook, phony, racketeer, flim flam man, grifter, hustler, and so on. Anyone who's been willi

Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz etiquette

2020-11-11 Thread Ken Hohhof
It also pays to plan out your HI and LOW side towers and which links will be VPOL vs HPOL. If you're doing a ring all in the same band, it helps if there's an even number of towers, so you can do something like 1HI-2LOW-3HI-4LOW-backto1HI. Also I think freq coordinators will usually prefer to

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread chuck
In 1916, Salt Lake City would put them on a train for Wendover Utah to join up with a railroad building crew. It was out in the middle of the desert so either work or hop a train to somewhere else. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave U

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
I’m told some states give their homeless residents one way trips to hawaii, so it’s no longer "their problem". Hawaii hates it though. So now, I read that Hawaii is giving those same homeless one way tickets back. I also remember reading in 2008 or so during the recession, when Spain had like

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread chuck
Perhaps pay them to emigrate. Go through all the homeless shelters with free airline tickets and $500 cash... I guess we would have to help them get passports too... From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:57 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Th

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Lewis Bergman
And if someone does legally arrive on a visa they should be given some path to become a citizen in my opinion. They are already here working and contributing more than some people who have decided that being born here was enough. I know there is the whole "chain migration" thing and I haven't thoug

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread chuck
I am hopeful that Biden restores worker visas. I think anyone that wants a 6 month work visa should be able to get one as long as they can pass a background check. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:49 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Th

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Lewis Bergman
Well, I hate to tell you but those cages were built during Obama's time in office. And really, calling them cages is just a bit on the inflammatory side. They are detention centers. Technically, you can call anything a cage with a boundary. Unless you are going to ask the CBP to stop doing their jo

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread chuck
Saying something is “wrong” is almost always a statement of opinion, not fact. Children in cages vs children in holding areas created our of cyclone fence materials... well what do you do when you have to contain a large bunch of people? The media created the hysteria. Like saying they had t

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Jaime Solorza
I said Nationalism how nationalism led to Nazism... Think about how many people were complicit not calling it out is wrong... children in cages is wrong, separation of families is wrong, bans on Muslims is wrong, pipes through Native American lands is wrong , Righteous Indignation. On Wed

Re: [AFMUG] Customers contacting technical support - Adam I have no idea why the would drive you crazy cause I just love putting messages in the subject line cause that way, you know, nobody has to ev

2020-11-11 Thread Josh Luthman
Can't blame you, this is a fun group! Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:48 AM Lewis Bergman wrote: > I just could not resist. > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:41 AM Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> JFC Lewi

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread chuck
I think the point where I totally lost any particle of hope or respect or interest I had for Trump was during his first campaign. He was ham fistedly trying to quote 2nd Corinthians. He said “two Corinthians”. I knew at that moment that he had never read scriptures nor had listened in churc

Re: [AFMUG] Customers contacting technical support - Adam I have no idea why the would drive you crazy cause I just love putting messages in the subject line cause that way, you know, nobody has to ev

2020-11-11 Thread Lewis Bergman
I just could not resist. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:41 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > JFC Lewis. > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 9:20 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > >> This is the turd-cherry o

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks

2020-11-11 Thread Lewis Bergman
Completely unnecessary in my book. One of the best things I have heard a veteran say is "*Thank you for my service*" At first, when I heard that, I thought it sounded arrogant and elitist. I think he meant it the same way as I feel. It was an honor and a privilege to serve and I appreciated the opp

Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz etiquette

2020-11-11 Thread Matt Hoppes
Are you running automatic power back off? Or target signal level? > On Nov 11, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >  > Since the top end costs 5 and 6 figures I'm ok putting SAF and AF11 in the > same bracket. > > > > On 11/11/2020 8:37 AM, Josh Baird wrote: >> Aviat links "aren't SAF

[AFMUG] Thanks

2020-11-11 Thread chuck
Veterans. I did not serve. But I do respect and thank you for your service. Please note my new email address: ch...@go-mtc.com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Lewis Bergman
I just find it hard to believe that either one of these clowns is the best we can do. Both in their upper 70's. One cares so little about the office he will say anything. The other, well I am just not sure how much gas he has in the tank. It would be great if someone honest would run and get electe

Re: [AFMUG] Customers contacting technical support - Adam I have no idea why the would drive you crazy cause I just love putting messages in the subject line cause that way, you know, nobody has to ev

2020-11-11 Thread Josh Luthman
JFC Lewis. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 9:20 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > This is the turd-cherry on top of my day. > > > On 11/10/2020 8:13 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 6:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread chuck
I don’t agree at all. Trump got elected because more than half the country really really really disliked Hillary. Really really really disliked Hillary. I don’t know of anyone that voted for Trump because they liked him. Everyone I know thought he was an ass hat from the get go. Second, yo

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Lewis Bergman
Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of people in it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not saying it couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it isn't even close. To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what the Jewi

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Adam Moffett
All that said, Jamie, I don't understand why people vote for him either.  Every time I listen to him talk I think he sounds like an idiot. On 11/11/2020 10:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more "against the other guy" than voting /f

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Adam Moffett
First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more "against the other guy" than voting /for/ someone.  A lot of our press is devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If you believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd rather

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Jaime Solorza
The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe... The proof is overwhelming... Prove me wrong. On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jo

Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz etiquette

2020-11-11 Thread Adam Moffett
Since the top end costs 5 and 6 figures I'm ok putting SAF and AF11 in the same bracket. On 11/11/2020 8:37 AM, Josh Baird wrote: Aviat links "aren't SAF latency?"  What latency are you seeing on your WTM4200 vs SAF links?  I wouldn't expect it to be much different in ideal circumstances. I

Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz etiquette

2020-11-11 Thread Josh Baird
Aviat links "aren't SAF latency?" What latency are you seeing on your WTM4200 vs SAF links? I wouldn't expect it to be much different in ideal circumstances. I wouldn't call them "low cost" either. When I think "low cost," I think AF11X. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:42 AM Steve Jones wrote: > W

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Darin Steffl
Biden is a moderate politician. He's closer to the middle than trump ever was. Congress better get along with him so they can move us forward. On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 11:15 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > This is a shit show no matter what side you are on. At the end of the day > whoever

Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz etiquette

2020-11-11 Thread Ken Hohhof
What you are doing is totally mainstream, and I don't know why you call those low cost radios. We have a lot of 6 mile 11 GHz links, I think we have one at 10 miles and one at 16 miles on 3 ft dishes. Yes, if we try to coordinate links near Cyrus One in Aurora, there are no frequencies, and we

Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz etiquette

2020-11-11 Thread Adam Moffett
You can file a short range 11ghz link.  Depending on your rain situation it might even make perfect sense. On 11/11/2020 2:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote: We have been putting up a handful of 11ghz links lately and are running out of available channels in a relatively small footprint. We are limited

Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz etiquette

2020-11-11 Thread Adam Moffett
Meanwhile I've had downpours where a -40 RSSI fades to nothing. You're only a couple hours south of me so I don't know how the experience could be so different. On 11/11/2020 7:24 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: We are running 13 mile 11ghz links with the airfiber11 and not seeing fading with the 2 ft

Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz etiquette

2020-11-11 Thread Matt Hoppes
We are running 13 mile 11ghz links with the airfiber11 and not seeing fading with the 2 ft dish. What’s your question? If there is no more spectrum there is no more spectrum. > On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > >  > We have been putting up a handful of 11ghz links lately an