[AFMUG] CGNAT + MPLS router

2016-12-30 Thread Dev
I’m looking for reasonably priced core router that will do Carrier Grade NAT, MPLS, OSPF and BGP. I know Mikrotik will handle dancing unicorns, fairy dust and perpetual motion all for $100, but is there anything like a Juniper, Cisco, etc. that’s a more traditional thing people trust for core ro

Re: [AFMUG] OT... Pre Fight prep snacks

2016-12-30 Thread Jaime Solorza
Ha...the UFC fights... I thought son had ordered fight He didn't... No biggie.I had two beers and now sleepy. . On Dec 30, 2016 8:28 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" wrote: > Who did you fight that you have to flight with the snacks ! > > :) > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 4

[AFMUG] solar panels now so cheap ...

2016-12-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-30/solar-panels-now-so-cheap -manufacturers-probably-selling-at-loss

Re: [AFMUG] OT... Pre Fight prep snacks

2016-12-30 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Who did you fight that you have to flight with the snacks ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Fr

Re: [AFMUG] OT... Pre Fight prep snacks

2016-12-30 Thread Jaime Solorza
Manana a Las Cruces y el Domingo a Bisbee y despues a Tombstone... On Dec 30, 2016 7:56 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > A donde vas? > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Friday, December 30, 2016 7:51 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT... Pre Fight prep snacks > > Salud y paz!!! Ajuaaa >

Re: [AFMUG] OT... Pre Fight prep snacks

2016-12-30 Thread Chuck McCown
Oh, fight, not flight... From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 7:51 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT... Pre Fight prep snacks Salud y paz!!! Ajuaaa

Re: [AFMUG] OT... Pre Fight prep snacks

2016-12-30 Thread Chuck McCown
A donde vas? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 7:51 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT... Pre Fight prep snacks Salud y paz!!! Ajuaaa

Re: [AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges

2016-12-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
youll need a /30 across the ospf link on each side too for ospf to propagate, or is there a way to do ospf without ip addressing? On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Hit enter too soon. If you want two parallel PTP links between two sites, > sharing traffic equally. Assuming bo

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Bill Prince
The PCN had 3 links with a 4' dish at each end of each link for a total of 6 dishes. bp On 12/30/2016 1:32 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: A good quality 4' dish will have tighter RPE and better f/b ratio than a 2' or 3' dish. Or maybe they happened to have an extra 4' dish in stock and used it beca

Re: [AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges

2016-12-30 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Hit enter too soon. If you want two parallel PTP links between two sites, sharing traffic equally. Assuming both radio links are identical equipment and identical speed capability. Set the same OSPF cost on the router interfaces both ends. This is logically the same thing as putting two routers ne

Re: [AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges

2016-12-30 Thread Eric Kuhnke
You should not be extending layer 2 switch fabrics over PTP microwave. One router at each site. Each router gets a /32 OSPF loopback address. One OSPF /30 per radio link. The only MAC addresses that should exist on the radio link (which is itself a L2 bridge) are the single MACs for the router

Re: [AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges

2016-12-30 Thread Josh Reynolds
ECMP On Dec 30, 2016 2:50 PM, "Ty Featherling" wrote: > I have my network setup with a common bridge (bridgeWAN) setup on each > router in an area. The backhaul in goes into this bridge and any backhauls > to further sites do as well. OSPF sorts out the default path and the bridge > gets them th

Re: [AFMUG] 450m Ethernet cable gland

2016-12-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
Is that the “grounding gland” same as on the LPU kits we used to use for PTP400/500/600? Look in your junk pile and you might have a bunch of those glands that came with the LPU kits. I installed most of them indoors or in cabinets and didn’t use the premade jumpers with glands that came with the

Re: [AFMUG] 450m Ethernet cable gland

2016-12-30 Thread George Skorup
Yeah, those aren't perfect, but they work. Glad those worked for you too. Took me like 3 hours of scouring catalogs to find those. I was initially searching for a plastic PG16, but you have to have the short base threads like Cambium's version or it will run into the circuit board on a 450i. No

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Eric Kuhnke
A good quality 4' dish will have tighter RPE and better f/b ratio than a 2' or 3' dish. Or maybe they happened to have an extra 4' dish in stock and used it because it was "free". If it's a new purchase of a 4' dish for a 2 to 4 mile 11 GHz link that would be pretty silly unless they need seven ni

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Jaime Solorza
Wow. I helped fix and align an 11Ghz link with 8 ft. dish on one end and 3 ft. dish on other end of 26 mile link early this year Unless there is allot of other 11Ghz link around, I would question it On Dec 30, 2016 8:21 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" wrote: > Good point..South Florida. They hav

[AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges

2016-12-30 Thread Ty Featherling
I have my network setup with a common bridge (bridgeWAN) setup on each router in an area. The backhaul in goes into this bridge and any backhauls to further sites do as well. OSPF sorts out the default path and the bridge gets them there in one IP hop. I have a major site that I am added a second b

Re: [AFMUG] 450m Ethernet cable gland

2016-12-30 Thread Darren Shea
I bought 10 of these the other day: http://www.newark.com/lapp-kabel/52015810/cable-clamp-gland/dp/19M8609 They are shorter, and the rubber bushing inside has a bigger hole, so we'll need to work harder to seal it, but it is a heck of a lot cheaper than the official Cambium gland. From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Adam Moffett
Good point..South Florida. They have fixed modulation on this link so they need it to work at 128QAM in the middle of tropical storm. -- Original Message -- From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/30/2016 11:58:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links. No ra

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Adam Moffett
Seems like somebody else could bid that lower if that's the only reason. Maybe they went in knowing they would be the only bidder? -- Original Message -- From: "Lewis Bergman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/30/2016 11:41:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links. I would a

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-12-30 Thread Bill Prince
You Illinois guys get dense rain. On the west coast, we see maybe 3-4 db fade on a 10 mile link in the worst rain. bp On 12/30/2016 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 450i and 450m do not. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joshua Heide *Sent:* Friday, December 30, 2016 9:38 AM

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-12-30 Thread Bill Prince
I suspect that the metal case really makes GPS reception a problem. They could mount the antenna externally I suppose, but OTOH, you'd like to use one GPS source per site. Putting a GPS receiver in every radio flies in the face of the single-source problem. bp On 12/30/2016 8:52 AM, Ken Hoh

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
No rain fade at 11 GHz? I see 40+ dB fades on 10 mile links. I almost don’t need to check the weather radar, I can tell where it’s raining and how hard by looking at my 11 GHz signal graphs. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 20

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-12-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
450i and 450m do not. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Heide Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m Well the 450 ap’s have a built in gps that works, I don’t recommend it for long term use but just getting started is fin

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
Perhaps carrier mentality? Design for full modulation at 5 nines in a heavy rain zone? Cookie cutter, use same equipment on every link? Tower lease that doesn't charge more for the bigger dish? You might even ask why 11 GHz at 2 miles and not 18 GHz. -Original Message- From: Af [mai

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread chuck
I have never seen rain fade at 11 GHz, but maybe somewhere it rains more has seen it. I think it more of a situation where they guy approving the bid is the brother in law of the vendor. From: Steve Utick Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 9:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Questi

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

2016-12-30 Thread chuck
Yes, I am a pilot. In smaller airplanes I am normally the driver. In larger ones I can get up and go to the can. Problem solved. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 8:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash Don't you fly? I would think it's a

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Steve Utick
Looks like down at the bottom under Radio Information, 27.5 dBm. Links are all running around -27 to -33 with Aviat Eclipse gear. Pretty expensive stuff too. On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > 10mhz channel and 128QAM? Someone is spending a lot of money for small > capaci

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Lewis Bergman
I would agree. Most likely a vendor upsale for no good reason. Especially when considering that most of those water utilities don't know anything. Also likely part of a much larger upgrade project so as a percentage it is tiny. Last update we did on our water system was 1.2 million. On Fri, Dec 30

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
(government entity) water district - thats your answer On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > The links are in the middle of no-where > They are for the South Florida Water Management Dept. > for connecting three sites together. > > Considering the cost differential on 4ft

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
we run a 6 mile 11ghz on 2 foot and a 11 mile on a 3 on one side 4 on the other. On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > 10mhz channel and 128QAM? Someone is spending a lot of money for small > capacity. > > I guess if spectrum is tight in that area, maybe they needed the bigger

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
The links are in the middle of no-where They are for the South Florida Water Management Dept. for connecting three sites together. Considering the cost differential on 4ft dish vs 2ft dishes and the structural / labor involved in mounting them, I think someone is maximizing their pocket book

Re: [AFMUG] computers have complicated lives very greatly

2016-12-30 Thread David Milholen
I tend to agree with this LOL Because stupid has gone to a whole new level. The kind of stupid our first tier support folks deal with everyday. The kind of stupid that Tier 2 or 3 folks deal with everyday. My faves are the newly "Certified" Microsoft guys who can install a simple network t

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Adam Moffett
10mhz channel and 128QAM? Someone is spending a lot of money for small capacity. I guess if spectrum is tight in that area, maybe they needed the bigger dish so they could run with lower tx power and narrower beamwidth to avoid interfering with somebody else. I must be blind, but I can't fi

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Bill Prince
Quantity discount? bp On 12/30/2016 7:21 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I am curious, what is the wisdom behind installing 4ft dishes for a 2/4 mile 11ghz link ? Is there a technical reason ? or is it just a way to maximize the return for the vendor ? Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & T

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

2016-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman
Don't you fly? I would think it's a very similar experience. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I have never been claustrophobic, but just the thought of that thing makes > my bre

Re: [AFMUG] 450m Ethernet cable gland

2016-12-30 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
FYI... Cable Glands are a 'standard' item, PG16 is the size. Feel free to search ebay for 'PG16 cable gland' and you can pick your choice of material and qty. :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk:

[AFMUG] 450m Ethernet cable gland

2016-12-30 Thread Joshua Heide
What are you guys using for a secondary cable gland for the 450m. I am not looking to pay $300 for a 10 pack through a a cambium vendor for part # N65L033A. Thanks, Josh

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-12-30 Thread Joshua Heide
Well the 450 ap’s have a built in gps that works, I don’t recommend it for long term use but just getting started is fine. Thanks, Josh From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 7:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m N

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-12-30 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
No, like all 450 gear it requires an external source. Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On Dec 30, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Joshua Heide wrote: > > Does the 450m have a built in gps? If so has anyone used it? > > Thank

[AFMUG] 450m

2016-12-30 Thread Joshua Heide
Does the 450m have a built in gps? If so has anyone used it? Thanks, Josh

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

2016-12-30 Thread Joshua Heide
test From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 5:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash Maybe it will never be built, but everything that people worry about on its design has been said about airplanes an

[AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

2016-12-30 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I am curious, what is the wisdom behind installing 4ft dishes for a 2/4 mile 11ghz link ? Is there a technical reason ? or is it just a way to maximize the return for the vendor ? Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

2016-12-30 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Maybe it will never be built, but everything that people worry about on its design has been said about airplanes and look how that ended up. ;) From: Af on behalf of Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 7:54:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]