Re: [AFMUG] Tower Climber Insurance premium went 25k up for one guy.

2017-11-28 Thread Sam Lambie
Not sure what code rating I have as a tower climber. I don't get paid enough, but I love being on a tower. 55k a year. On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Keefe John wrote: > What code are they rating your tower climber as? How much are you paying > this guy? WC is a

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
>>> But can't use the whole gig, so he's looking at AF24HD so he can.. Sit tight for a few months... patience will be rewarded with some more options ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or

Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

2017-11-28 Thread Mike Hammett
A similar one that I haven't used either: https://gitlab.com/thart/flowanalyzer - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Zach Underwood" To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Mathew Howard
Well, yeah, it depends what all he ends up feeding with it. If it needs more than what the current AF24 can handle, I wouldn't go to an AF24HD... An 80ghz link wouldn't even cost all that much more, and then it'll be able to handle enough bandwidth that you'll probably never have to mess with it

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd say that would be a lot more cost... and worse than SIAE or Dragonwave. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Mike Hammett
But can't use the whole gig, so he's looking at AF24HD so he can... which are $6k opposed to $1k and don't have SFPs. Gig upstream - AF24 - multiple 11 GHz channels\polarities. If he gets his wish and fixes the 11 GHz 1 gigabit issue, the AF24 is now the issue. - Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, but if I'm understanding right, the AF24 link is already there. On Nov 28, 2017 7:10 PM, "Chris Wright" wrote: > Everything works beautifully at 700’. At this distance it’s more about > cost savings. Don’t waste your time with AF24 when a 60ghz link at 1/3 the > cost

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Chris Wright
Everything works beautifully at 700’. At this distance it’s more about cost savings. Don’t waste your time with AF24 when a 60ghz link at 1/3 the cost and twice the throughput will fit the bill perfectly. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On

Re: [AFMUG] WTB M900 Nanostation

2017-11-28 Thread Christopher Gray
I've got 2x M900 and 1x RF Armor kit. They are basically unused, although one was mounted for a while. Email me if you're interested in only 2. -- On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Craig House wrote: > I know I know everyones thoughts on

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Mathew Howard
I wouldn't use IgnetNet if I already had the airFibers there... if it's only going to be feeding an 11ghz link that's around 700ish meg, the AF24 link will handle that perfectly fine, and I see no reason to mess with it. Ignitenets should work beautifully on a 700ft link, but if I only needed

[AFMUG] WTB M900 Nanostation

2017-11-28 Thread Craig House
I know I know everyones thoughts on this WHY WHY WHY. Just looking for a few of them. Anyone have some to get rid of Maybe 6-10 depending on price? Craig

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd use IgniteNet over airFiber for 700 feet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:28:11 PM

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Dennis Burgess
The B11 offers a Full duplex option, we have several links that have 10ms lacency not in FDD mode but TDD, works wonders. Not stating that it’s a magical fix all, but it can do 650/650 in FDD. We have sold more than most and 99% of them don’t have issues, and just work. Plus on the TDD mode,

Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread Dennis Burgess
And just think, MikroTik has a 6GHz Radio we are waiting for to come in stock :) lol. Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE For

Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread chuck
No worries. This was many years ago. From: Tim Hardy Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz Chuck, Will check with the folks still there. I do not have access to any of this information anymore. Tim

[AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread Tim Hardy
Chuck, Will check with the folks still there. I do not have access to any of this information anymore. Tim

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread George Skorup
820C or 2+0 820S On 11/28/2017 4:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote: thanks, I just sent out a request to the reseller still interested if there are any other solutions out there similar in cost though On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Sean Heskett > wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread chuck
I just went and measured it again. Almost exactly 100 miles. Frisco Peak, UT to St. George, UT. The problem was interfering with the system at St. George. I was down something like 53 dB on the back of his antenna so we could not license the path. Close but no cigar. I think your company

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Steve Jones
thanks, I just sent out a request to the reseller still interested if there are any other solutions out there similar in cost though On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > with the integra-W in 11GHz you can't do the 2+0 bonding with the OMT (the > W doesn't

[AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread Tim Hardy
These are not easy questions to answer - if they were, we would’ve had PMP in the 6 GHz band long ago! I should start out by pointing out that these are my personal insights based on 46 years in spectrum management in the US pt-to-pt microwave bands. I retired from Comsearch on October 13th and

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Sean Heskett
with the integra-W in 11GHz you can't do the 2+0 bonding with the OMT (the W doesn't have the internal switch that does the LAG) for 2+0 you need the GS and the OMT. just call SAF or your favorite bistro to get them to quote the correct hardware etc. On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
For 2+0 you just use an OMT that splits the H and V polarities out separately. It’s a piece of hardware that you put on both sides attached to the dish. > On Nov 28, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > the most i could get on the integra in their calculator is

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Steve Jones
the most i could get on the integra in their calculator is 643, but it doesnt have option for 2+0 On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > SAF Integra-GS 2+0 > > http://saftehnika.com/en/integrags > > -Sean > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:28 PM Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Mathew Howard
It might be cheaper to go with a newer radio that can do 80mhz channels... probably mostly depending on what the value of the Lumina link is to you after you take it down. For SAF, I think that would be an Integra-W. If I remember correctly, you should get somewhere around 650Mbps out of a single

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Sean Heskett
SAF Integra-GS 2+0 http://saftehnika.com/en/integrags -Sean On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:28 PM Steve Jones wrote: > We have a phenomenal saf lumina link we get 366 out of. I can 2+0 this to > get to 732. using the existing 3 and 4 foot antennas > > I wouldnt mind

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Steve Jones
lmao, the 50 feet from the handhole to this building was a pretty sore subject in itself, making this 700 foot would probably cost us more than putting up a 120 foot structure. that 700 foot isnt a big concern anyway, I really like the af24, i never touch it On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:37 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread chuck
Why not 700 more feet of fiber? From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish We have a phenomenal saf lumina link we get 366 out of. I can 2+0 this to get to 732. using the existing 3 and 4 foot antennas I wouldnt mind

[AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

2017-11-28 Thread Steve Jones
We have a phenomenal saf lumina link we get 366 out of. I can 2+0 this to get to 732. using the existing 3 and 4 foot antennas I wouldnt mind seeing a little more of our gigabit upstream connectivity utilized here, somewhere along the same price using the same antennas Im not at all impressed

Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread chuck
Rough duty indeed... From: Tim Hardy Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz Chuck, will try to answer later - am on the beach and don’t want to harsh my mellow! Tim

[AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread Tim Hardy
Chuck, will try to answer later - am on the beach and don’t want to harsh my mellow! Tim

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla Thefts

2017-11-28 Thread Robert Andrews
There is a cable in the driver side door pillar that is put there just to disconnect the battery from everything for firefighters. Any decent cut-off grinder with a good wheel will go through it in a minute... The firefighters cutters are supposed to go through it in ten seconds...

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla Thefts

2017-11-28 Thread Carl Peterson
Good luck slicing a battery cable on a Tesla... On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > Or if you watched youtube vids you would know where the "Slice Battery > Cable Here" disconnect is to shut down everything... > > On 11/27/2017 01:26 PM, Eric Kuhnke

Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

2017-11-28 Thread Josh Baird
Ah - I'm glad he decided to actually release that code! This looks cool. Not thrilled about an ELK stack for this, but I think I'll give it a try. On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Zach Underwood wrote: > I found this one yesterday, only had a chance to look at the

Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Exactly Pristine = lots of available Holes. Rules while I don't know them.. but you said it .. they are very old... Time to revise ? and yes .. would be nice to know what is the definition of 'clear' for how many 'miles' ... PTMP usage does not / would not require two free channels

Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

2017-11-28 Thread Josh Baird
nfsen+nfdump, while a bit ugly, gets the job done. It's free, stable and has helped me tremendously. Josh On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Justin Marshall wrote: > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know of a good (preferably open-source) NetFlow analyzer? > Ntop’s pricing scheme

Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread chuck
For a channel to be available both ends have to be clear for many many miles. They keep this band pretty pristine due to the long distance nature of the use. I think they keep it cleaner than is needed but the rules were probably created back in the analog era. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
That is a fair question but I think it needs to be answered by the Hardware Mfg as well.. in terms of how much SNR do they need for max modulation. While I am open to being 'educated' and gain a better understanding ... up to now, from what I see in the field, I see the the manner in which

Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

2017-11-28 Thread Zach Underwood
I found this one yesterday, only had a chance to look at the website. https://github.com/robcowart/elastiflow/ On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Justin Marshall wrote: > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know of a good (preferably open-source) NetFlow analyzer? > Ntop’s pricing

[AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

2017-11-28 Thread Justin Marshall
Hi, Does anyone know of a good (preferably open-source) NetFlow analyzer? Ntop's pricing scheme seems to be a little steep for the amount of data I need to collect... Thanks, Justin just...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread chuck
wispa members Steve Coran has been going over the official wispa position on net neutrality. Discussion has been going for days. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz What wispa list? From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread Gino A. Villarini
What wispa list? From: Af > on behalf of Chuck McCown > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:17 PM To:

[AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

2017-11-28 Thread chuck
Over on the WISPA list, they are discussing the idea of unlicensed PMP on 6 GHz part 101 frequencies. If Tim Hardy or Liz Creekmore are on, I would like to know how far down an interferer must be to get a channel on the lower portion of that band. I know that I could not get on license due

[AFMUG] Noction

2017-11-28 Thread Paul McCall
We are considering deploying Noction as a help to control bgp traffic flow within or network. Anybody else using something similar? Sent from my Android phone using Symantec TouchDown (www.symantec.com)

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-28 Thread Mark Radabaugh
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > > On the other hand, being considered Title II may be beneficial when you're > trying to get ROW access, pole attachments, and duct space. So in that > respect I think I'm benefiting from it now, and I worry

Re: [AFMUG] Teach me about tower lights

2017-11-28 Thread chuck
Yeah, there are all kinds of missing pulse detector algorithms that could be used. If you did it on the current input, it could even be done with split core current transformers. Simple hardware. Painless install. Pain is in the software. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, November 28,

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-28 Thread Adam Moffett
Some points about NN that I don't see much discussion about: An overwhelming majority of enforcement actions were against mobile carriers, and I think the biggest dissent is coming from that direction as well. Cell phone companies have a history of vertical integration from the end user

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP puzzle

2017-11-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Never seen that one, Steve. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > whatever you do, if youve loaded any backup, never, ever click the eyeball > on the

Re: [AFMUG] Teach me about tower lights

2017-11-28 Thread Lewis Bergman
I would think consumed current would work as long as the time resolution is fine enough, which I am sure yours is. Those LED flashes don't last long. I have asked one of our suppliers we buy the most from to have an engineer give me the specs so you can see what you are dealing with. In addition,

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-28 Thread Chuck McCown
Steve Coran could do both sides. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 28, 2017, at 6:56 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > > BTW, I am looking for someone that is pro NN and someone that is against it > to come on ISP radio. I can record you via phone or skype and then play it >

Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read

2017-11-28 Thread Dennis Burgess
BTW, I am looking for someone that is pro NN and someone that is against it to come on ISP radio. I can record you via phone or skype and then play it back if needed, so you don't have to be on live .. Email me offlist if interested. Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant