[AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-10-31 Thread SmarterBroadband
Our first 450m should arrive this week. We plan to replace an existing 450 AP that has 66 customers for our first deployment. However, I do not want to do this until I have heard that there are some installed and working. Does anyone have 450m up and running. Would you please share your

[AFMUG] Cambium 450M

2017-04-17 Thread SmarterBroadband
The 450M which has 3 ports only seems to come with one cable pass-through!! Anyone know where I can buy extra of these metal pass-throughs? Cambium, Please could you provide all 3 pass-throughs? We should be able to install this out of the box without having to go and buy extras??? Tha

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-10-31 Thread Ken Hohhof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_and_Gaston#/media/File:Alphonsegaston .jpg From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Our first 450m should arrive this week. We plan

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Matt Mangriotis
, we are escalating support cases to our team that has a lot of experience in deploying this model. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Rise Broadband ? From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m I will say that we have a [very large] customer that will remain nameless, which has ~1100 active customers across more than 12 sectors of 450m. They are

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
You were supposed to say that in your head, not out loud. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Rise Broadband ? From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Tuesday, November

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Bill Prince
ember 1, 2016 9:18 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Rise Broadband ? *From:*Matt Mangriotis *Sent:*Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:08 AM *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m I will say that we have a [very large] custome

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
Well, now you’ve ruined Cambium’s marketing slogan for me: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/gomassive/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Isn't it kind of c

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Chuck McCown
It was a snapchat... From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Isn't it kind of common knowledge now? I think I heard Anthony Wiener was tweeting about it. bp On 11/1/2016 7:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You were sup

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread George Skorup
They created this thing for a reason. And that right there is it. Nuckin futs. On 11/1/2016 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Rise Broadband ? *From:* Matt Mangriotis *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:08 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m I will say that we have a [very

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Ryan Ray
M, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Rise Broadband >> ? >> � >> From: Matt Mangriotis >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:08 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m >> � >> I will say that we have a [very large] customer that will remain n

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
The other thing I worry about is 14.1.2 was so stable, but here we go with 15.x. Can someone else go first? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Now get the SM costs down so

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread SmarterBroadband
Exactly. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_and_Gaston#/media/File:Alphonsegaston .jpg From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread SmarterBroadband
01, 2016 8:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m The data that Matt showed us at HQ a few weeks ago where an operator (not in the US) with over 100 SMs! on a single 450 sector proved that a performance boost of 3-3.5x is possible simply by swapping to a 450m sector. And

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Chris Wright
Aren't the beams 7 degrees? Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m That is 100% why I want to use it. We have an overloaded AP a

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread SmarterBroadband
Sorry typo… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Aren’t the beams 7 degrees? Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread George Skorup
problem. I also hope the 17 degree beams will reduce interference seen by the AP. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m The data that Matt showed us at HQ a few wee

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
also hope > the 17 degree beams will reduce interference seen by the AP. > > � > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *George Skorup > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:30 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > >

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Rory Conaway
, November 01, 2016 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Cambium will never lower SM price until a competitor brings another solution to market that you could also load 100subs on and not have the thing choke. Hopefully Airfiber PTMP will be that. Also what I don't understand

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
> that should be pushing the 100 in the next 60 days. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > &g

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Rory Conaway
Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Rory, Is that Mimosa A5 running in WIFI mode or do you have TDMA firmware for it? On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’ve got Mimosa Ne

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread George Skorup
Because it's capable of transmitting different data on each of the 7 2x2 MIMO emitters in the same frame. aka MU-MIMO. Think about a single 2x2 sector. It can talk to only one SM. Now add another sector facing the same direction. You've doubled your capacity, right? Sure, but you're using twice

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
; TDMA. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:28 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > Rory, > > Is that Mimosa A5 running in WIFI mode or do you have TDMA fir

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
how many arrays are in in? 7 or 14? I wonder if it wont transmit on two adjacent arrays at the same time Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 > On Nov 1, 2016, at 10:41 PM, George S

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Rory Conaway
Most of our traffic is UDP one direction, NetFlix so it doesn’t seem to be an issue. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Are all the clients able to see each other

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m how many arrays are in in? 7 or 14? I wonder if it wont transmit on two adjacent arrays at the same time Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
My understanding is that as long as it can get enough diversity between two sms it will transmit at the same time, up to 7 simultaneous transmissions. Same for rx. The key word here is diversity. There are lots of different ways to get diversity. Which of these cambium is able to exploit with t

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Stefan Englhardt
2016 10:13 An: af Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m My understanding is that as long as it can get enough diversity between two sms it will transmit at the same time, up to 7 simultaneous transmissions. Same for rx. The key word here is diversity. There are lots of different ways to get

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Mike Hammett
t Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:05:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Cambium will never lower SM price until a competitor brings another solution to market that

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
s WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:05:18

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Mike Hammett
AP costs to be worried about. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:13:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m For sure frame utilization is important. My thoughts are that if you're loading up that many clients on an AP, maybe you ought

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Mike Hammett
riginal Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:30:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m How is being able to serve 100+ subs from one AP a bad thing? Whether APs are cheap or expensive, we are not in the business of buying APs, we are i

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
s://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:13:06 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Mike Hammett
ovember 2, 2016 9:42:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Don't offer significantly faster speeds in your area unless your forced to by a competitor. If your competitor is offer 3mbps packages then you can offer 10mbps packages and be safe. But no sense in offering 50mbps packages

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:30:36 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > How is being able to serve 100+ subs from one AP a bad thing

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
tps://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Gino Villarini
"af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m I can buy a used PMP450 AP for $1200.00. Add KP Omni for $250 so $1,400.00. The mimosa A5-18 Omni lists for $999.00 so the PMP450 is not that much more. I've seen used 450 SM's

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Stefan Englhardt
sp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Kurt Fankhauser" < <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:13:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMU

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Make them pay for it though, don't leave money at the table unnecessarily. Time Warner could be selling me a 10gig fiber connection over the same fiber stand that they are selling me a 1gig. Why are they not giving me 10gig? Because I know the fiber can h

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > > > Make them pay for it though, don't leave money at the table unnecessarily. > Time Warner could be selling

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
That would be nice. While some see 3.65 GHz as the replacement for 900 MHz, we have been using it to replace 2.4 GHz. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Ken

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread George Skorup
3GHz 450m is supposed to happen next year. Pretty sure Matt said they're going to certify it under Part 90 as well so we can actually use it. On 11/2/2016 11:07 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: On a side note, I wish there was a 450m in 3.65 GHz, where we are limited both in channel size and total spectru

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread George Skorup
12:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Ken, I may be mistaken but at Wispalooza I thought I heard cambium say that 3.65ghz will be the next frequency they do 450m in, *if* they were to do another frequency at all. 2.4Ghz would be the last, not even sure if it would even

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Daniel Gerlach
While some see 3.65 GHz as the replacement for 900 > MHz, we have been using it to replace 2.4 GHz. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:18 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMU

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Bill Prince
e PMP320/FSK. So yes PMP450 is expensive. *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Kurt Fankhauser *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 2. November 2016 15:38 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m I can buy a used PMP450 AP for $1200.00. Add KP Omni for $250 so $1,400.00. The m

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Stefan Englhardt
Yes. If you are out of spectrum 450 shines. A UBNT operator has to build another tower to hang another sector. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Bill Prince Datum: 02.11.2016 20:43 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Mike Hammett
Or use horns - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Stefan Englhardt" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 3:16:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Yes.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread SmarterBroadband
+1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 8:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Where are you selling those sms? From: Af on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date:

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
On this list with the Friday posting. On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:17 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: > +1 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2016 8:30 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:*

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Ryan Ray
be > perfect but it is not dead end like PMP320/FSK. > > > > So yes PMP450 is expensive. > > > > > > > > *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *Im > Auftrag von *Kurt Fankhauser > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 2. November 2016 15:38 > *An:* af@afmug.com &

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread Jon Langeler
ce of APs >>> this is not neccesary. As it is .ac it might get an 802.11ax upgrade in the >>> future. UBNT-802.11n products have an upgradepath which might not be >>> perfect but it is not dead end like PMP320/FSK. >>> >>> >>> >>> So yes PMP450 is expensive. >>>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread George Skorup
t be perfect but it is not dead end like PMP320/FSK. So yes PMP450 is expensive. *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Kurt Fankhauser *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 2. November 2016 15:38 *An:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Cam

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-02 Thread George Skorup
PMP450 is expensive. *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Kurt Fankhauser *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 2. November 2016 15:38 *An:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m I can buy a used PMP450 AP for $1200.00. Add KP Omni fo

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-03 Thread Ken Hohhof
:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m Oh.. so $400 CAD is about $300 USD right now. And if you're talking 3.6GHz, then, yeah, that's about right. Don't worry, the US$ will collapse after the election. On 11/2/2016 9:42 PM, George Skorup wrote: $400 for

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

2016-11-03 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
gt; <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/U

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450M

2017-04-17 Thread Tushar Patel
I agree with Adam, we have to be able to install out of the box. Tushar > On Apr 17, 2017, at 6:10 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: > > The 450M which has 3 ports only seems to come with one cable pass-through!! > > Anyone know where I can buy extra of these metal pass-throughs? > > Cambium, P

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450M

2017-04-17 Thread George Skorup
AFAIK, the Cambium OEM cable gland is a specialty item produced by Lapp for Cambium. It doesn't even say Skintop on it. So it's not surprising that they're $30 a piece and only come in 10 packs. Ask your reseller. They might even have to order them for you. An alternative, since I've had to or

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450M

2017-04-18 Thread Darren Shea
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450M AFAIK, the Cambium OEM cable gland is a specialty item produced by Lapp for Cambium. It doesn't even say Skintop on it. So it's not surpr