Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-19 Thread Bill Prince
...@gmail.com *Sent:*Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:05 PM *To:*af mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz I thought the KP sectors were suppose to be -3db at 120... I think almost everything is rated at -6db

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Jerry Richardson
azimuth patterns don’t match very well. From: Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:05 PM To: af mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz I thought the KP sectors were suppose to be -3db at 120... I think almost

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Mathew Howard
: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz This needs to sync with a full cluster of Canopy APs that is only 3 miles away. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 2/17/2015 5:09 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: There is always the business case to use another vendor with lower ROI. Josh Reynolds

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Mathew Howard
dual pol sector. http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5821SD1_DS_061312.pdf Jerry *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Jerry Richardson
that says 120* is -6dB. Bastards… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:11 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz That's the one I was talking about, but it's

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Eric Muehleisen
antennas have horrible ugly plots at some frequencies but nice ones at other frequencies. *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:35 AM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz Yes, assuming they're accurate

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Mike Hammett
: Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz And that plot is for one specific frequency. They frequently do not tell you the test frequency. I have had antennas have horrible ugly plots at some frequencies but nice ones at other frequencies. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Chuck McCown
http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:22:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz That’s

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Mike Hammett
: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz That’s what I was basing my first reply on, but then I saw that note. So, which to believe? The hand drawn plot or the note? LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: af

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Chuck McCown
frequency. I have had antennas have horrible ugly plots at some frequencies but nice ones at other frequencies. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:35 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz Yes, assuming they're accurate, but that may

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Mathew Howard
, 2015 12:22:27 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz That’s what I was basing my first reply on, but then I saw that note. So, which to believe? The hand drawn plot or the note? LOL *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
if there was a Lite AP? *From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz This site is not ABAB. It's not even AB. It is merely A. One sector; 120° wide, with about 15 subs. About as low as you

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Bill Prince
, 2015 2:05 PM *To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz I thought the KP sectors were suppose to be -3db at 120... I think almost everything is rated at -6db now. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Josh Reynolds
“Gen III” are kind of ugly, aren’t they? Plus the HPOL and VPOL azimuth patterns don’t match very well. *From:* Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:05 PM *To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz I thought

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Bill Prince
...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:05 PM *To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz I thought the KP sectors were suppose to be -3db at 120... I think almost everything is rated at -6db now. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Adam Moffett

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Mathew Howard
. *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:05 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz I thought the KP sectors were suppose to be -3db at 120... I think almost everything is rated at -6db now. On Tue, Feb 17

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
What if there was a Lite AP? From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz This site is not ABAB. It's not even AB. It is merely A. One sector; 120° wide, with about 15 subs. About as low as you can go

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Bill's issue is that it has a finite rolloff. Some would say that's an advantage and shows good quality. It's not to his liking for whatever application, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:05 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Bill Prince
What I'm looking for is a 120° sector that drops off no more than 3db at the edges. The 6 db bull that seems to be common these days is not what I'm looking for. Also want good F/B ratio, good cross-pol performance, and tiny side lobes. In perfect world, it would drop off 30db at 121°. I

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Bill Prince
it's feast or famine. We have a couple of POPs where we need 30° sectors, but on small POPs, the 120° would be ideal, because there will only be one, or maybe two. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 2/17/2015 11:08 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I wish I could help. We actually put way more sectors

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Bill Prince
No one? bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 2/17/2015 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Has anyone found a decent TRUE 120° dual-polarity sector in 5 GHz? We're using a KP on one of our POPs and the drop-off at the edge of the 120° is just too much for our taste.

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Good drop off is a good thing IMO. If you want less drop off probably go with an original Airmax sector. Those things bleed for days and the f/b isn't very good. We installed half a dozen people 180* off one of them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

[AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Bill Prince
Has anyone found a decent TRUE 120° dual-polarity sector in 5 GHz? We're using a KP on one of our POPs and the drop-off at the edge of the 120° is just too much for our taste. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Josh Reynolds
I wish I could help. We actually put way more sectors out than that at most sites. Smaller sites we just put out a 6 way cluster on a pole and rotate it until we get the nulls where we want them. We're very interested in testing the rf elements horns for micropops though. Josh Reynolds CIO,

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Adam Moffett
The new 120 is the old 90search for something advertised as wider than 120 I guess? What I'm looking for is a 120° sector that drops off no more than 3db at the edges. The 6 db bull that seems to be common these days is not what I'm looking for. Also want good F/B ratio, good cross-pol

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
He should probably get an omni then. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz Bill's issue is that it has a finite rolloff. Some would say that's an advantage and shows good quality. It's not to his

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Mathew Howard
I thought the KP sectors were suppose to be -3db at 120... I think almost everything is rated at -6db now. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: The new 120 is the old 90search for something advertised as wider than 120 I guess? What I'm looking for is

Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz

2015-02-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
azimuth patterns don’t match very well. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:05 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz I thought the KP sectors were suppose to be -3db at 120... I think almost everything is rated at -6db now. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1