Re: [AFMUG] Tesla S Batt packs for site backup????

2017-09-03 Thread Chuck McCown
26 cents per watt hour. Not outrageous for what it is, but flooded cells can be had for 15 cents. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 6:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla S Batt packs for site backup Is this feasible ? They seem to pack allot of juice

[AFMUG] Tesla S Batt packs for site backup????

2017-09-03 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Is this feasible ? They seem to pack allot of juice http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tesla-Model-S-battery-module-24V-250Ah-5-3kWh-444-Panasonic-18650-3400mAh-/262333679871?hash=item3d144e48ff:g:OSkAAOSwh-1W5acD&vxp=mtr Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Ri

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock

2017-01-24 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
dropping at any time now. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>>> No but if you look at its history it is nearing an all time high. It >>>> cycles between about 180 and 260 for the past 3 years. >>>> >

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock

2017-01-24 Thread Mathew Howard
g an all time high. It >>> cycles between about 180 and 260 for the past 3 years. >>> >>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:45 PM >>> *To:* af >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock >>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock

2017-01-24 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
: > >> No but if you look at its history it is nearing an all time high. It >> cycles between about 180 and 260 for the past 3 years. >> >> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:45 PM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* R

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck McCown
No but if you look at its history it is nearing an all time high. It cycles between about 180 and 260 for the past 3 years. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:45 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock Did I miss a stock affecting event

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock

2017-01-24 Thread Mathew Howard
unt) > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:45 PM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock > > Did I miss a stock affecting event? > > On Jan 24, 2017 12:22 PM, "Jon Langeler" > wrote: > >> When is a good time to sell? >> >> Jon La

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock

2017-01-24 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Did I miss a stock affecting event? On Jan 24, 2017 12:22 PM, "Jon Langeler" wrote: > When is a good time to sell? > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > I am buying Tesla in the morning. Just dumped 1000 shares of Wells Fargo >

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck McCown
: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock Just what I was thinking... On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Now From: Jon Langeler Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock When is a good time to sell? Jon

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock

2017-01-24 Thread Mathew Howard
Just what I was thinking... On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Now > > *From:* Jon Langeler > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:21 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock > > When is a good time to sell? > > Jon La

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck McCown
Now From: Jon Langeler Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock When is a good time to sell? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I am buying Tesla in the morning. Just dumped

[AFMUG] Tesla Re: OT Stock

2017-01-24 Thread Jon Langeler
When is a good time to sell? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > I am buying Tesla in the morning. Just dumped 1000 shares of Wells Fargo to > do it.

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-02 Thread Mathew Howard
wrote: >> >>> Wikipedia says the highest energy density for Lion is .875 MJ/kg >>> So a Joule is a watt second. >>> 200 pound range is 100 kg range. >>> So that would be 87.5 MWS >>> >>> Divide by 3600 = 24.3 kWh >>> >&

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-02 Thread Josh Luthman
7.5 MWS >> >> Divide by 3600 = 24.3 kWh >> >> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:54 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 >> >> What battery technology is in this powerwall? Lithion Ion? How a

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
is 100 kg range. > So that would be 87.5 MWS > > Divide by 3600 = 24.3 kWh > > *From:* Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:54 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 > > What battery technology is in this powerwall? Lithio

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-02 Thread Chuck McCown
Wikipedia says the highest energy density for Lion is .875 MJ/kg So a Joule is a watt second. 200 pound range is 100 kg range. So that would be 87.5 MWS Divide by 3600 = 24.3 kWh From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-01 Thread Charles Regan
lithium do the Winston batteries need a special charger? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles Regan >>> *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 6:35 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMU

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-01 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
2016 4:14 PM, "SmarterBroadband" > wrote: > >> Being lithium do the Winston batteries need a special charger? >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles Regan >> *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 6:35 PM >> *To:* a

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-01 Thread Charles Regan
es Regan > *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 6:35 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 > > > > We are using Meanwell TN3000, pure sine wave 3000W inverter charger. It > has a solar plug too. Cost is 950$ > > Small sites has the 1500W version

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-01 Thread SmarterBroadband
Being lithium do the Winston batteries need a special charger? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Charles Regan Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 We are using Meanwell TN3000, pure sine wave 3000W inverter

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-01 Thread SmarterBroadband
Or http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/products/tycon-power/tpdin-monitor-web/751-tpdin-monitor-web2 At half the price. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Charles Regan Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-01 Thread Charles Regan
This? https://flexscada.com/flexs-q4/

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-11-01 Thread Peter Kranz
>> We are using Meanwell TN3000, pure sine wave 3000W inverter charger. It has >> a solar plug too. Cost is 950$ Cheap, but lacking adequate SNMP monitoring, which is a must-have for us. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207-

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Charles Regan
> > > *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> > Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 > Mobile: 510-207- > pkr...@unwiredltd.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 201

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Adam Moffett
eter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 2:33 PM *To:* af *Subject:* Re: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Peter Kranz
ailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:33 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 Figuring those prices, you're not going to end up too far off from the price of

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Mathew Howard
Monday, October 31, 2016 1:01 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 > � > > http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt- > 120-240vac.html > > This has a street price of $2500.� The four SLA batteries were (I think) > $160

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 10/31/16 11:14, Peter Kranz wrote: The new tesla powerwall 2 appears to be an interesting UPS option now that it has a build in inverter/charger. 14kWh for $5500, so would run most of my sites for about 24 hours. When I backed out the costs for 14kWh of our standard AGM cells and inverter, I t

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Chuck McCown
Ha, so quick to read, so quick to forget I honestly did not notice the link. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 1:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 That's the same link I sent earlier, bro. $3049 is list priceyou'll pay close

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Adam Moffett
ot too bad considering there is a battery charger in there. *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 1:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt-120-240vac.html This has a street price of $2500.� The four SLA

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Chuck McCown
This looks like it: http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt-120-240vac.html $3409/12000=28.4 cents per watt. Not too bad considering there is a battery charger in there. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Adam Moffett
ffett *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 1:26 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 � I ran 6/3 armored with ground between each device.� There are 1/2" knockouts on the connection box on the inverter/charger so I bought a couple of BX connectors.� It comes with

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Adam Moffett
erter charge the batts? I presume so. Where did you get the inverter? *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 1:26 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 I ran 6/3 armored with ground between each device.� There are 1/2" knockouts on the connection

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Chuck McCown
Does the inverter charge the batts? I presume so. Where did you get the inverter? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 I ran 6/3 armored with ground between each device.� There are 1/2" knockouts o

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Adam Moffett
need two people to install it. On 10/31/2016 3:02 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 12 kw? Sine wave? How is it wired in with the transfer switch and mains power? *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 1:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 http://www.ai

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Chuck McCown
12 kw? Sine wave? How is it wired in with the transfer switch and mains power? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt-120-240vac.html This has a street price

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Adam Moffett
http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt-120-240vac.html This has a street price of $2500. The four SLA batteries were (I think) $160 each. The 3/0 battery cable was not free, but I don't remember what it cost. This is only 4800 Wh, but it's trivial to add more/bigger bat

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Chuck McCown
I do 100% DOD more than just a few times. From: Peter Kranz Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 12:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2 The new tesla powerwall 2 appears to be an interesting UPS option now that it has a build in inverter/charger. 14kWh for $5500, so would

[AFMUG] Tesla powerwall 2

2016-10-31 Thread Peter Kranz
The new tesla powerwall 2 appears to be an interesting UPS option now that it has a build in inverter/charger. 14kWh for $5500, so would run most of my sites for about 24 hours. When I backed out the costs for 14kWh of our standard AGM cells and inverter, I think this price is quite reasonable.

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Lewis Bergman
on is the deal > breaker... double conversion in and out of AC... and you have to use > their solar If I remember right... > > On 10/29/2016 08:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > True. I wonder how many cycles it will do at that DOD. > *From:* Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, Octobe

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
ds the argument Chuck proposed; salvage battery packs from >> electric cars. DC all the way. >> >> >> bp >> >> >> On 10/29/2016 10:35 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> >> About 1.5 time lead acid will do. It's something I am drooling over >>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Lewis Bergman
... But the charging situation is the deal > breaker... double conversion in and out of AC... and you have to use > their solar If I remember right... > > On 10/29/2016 08:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > True. I wonder how many cycles it will do at that DOD. > *From:* Bill

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
bp >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/29/2016 10:35 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>>> >>>>> About 1.5 time lead acid will do. It's something I am drooling over >>>>> for my remote sites... But the charging situation is the

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Robert
I wonder how many cycles it will do at that DOD. *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:42 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof But did you notice that it allows 100% discharge? Doing the same thing with lead acid would require 27,000 watt hours. Double

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Bill Prince
ll Prince *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:42 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof But did you notice that it allows 100% discharge? Doing the same thing with lead acid would require 27,000 watt hours. Double the cost. bp On 10/29/2016 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Robert Andrews
conversion in and out of AC... and you have to use their solar If I remember right... On 10/29/2016 08:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: True. I wonder how many cycles it will do at that DOD. *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:42 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Bill Prince
:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof But did you notice that it allows 100% discharge? Doing the same thing with lead acid would require 27,000 watt hours. Double the cost. bp On 10/29/2016 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 5000 watt of inverter is worth $1250. (5500-1250)/13500= � 31 cents per watt h

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Robert Andrews
e. I wonder how many cycles it will do at that DOD. *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:42 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof But did you notice that it allows 100% discharge? Doing the same thing with lead acid would require 27,000 watt hours. Doubl

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Chuck McCown
ycles it will do at that DOD.� � From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof � But did you notice that it allows 100% discharge? Doing the same thing with lead acid would require 27,000 watt hours. Double

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Bill Prince
t DOD. *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:42 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof But did you notice that it allows 100% discharge? Doing the same thing with lead acid would require 27,000 watt hours. Double the cost. bp On 10/29/2016 8:34 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Chuck McCown
True. I wonder how many cycles it will do at that DOD. From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof But did you notice that it allows 100% discharge? Doing the same thing with lead acid would require 27,000 watt hours

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Bill Prince
battery costs of half that. *From:* Craig Schmaderer *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 6:14 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof Chuck what do you think of the upgraded battery? $5,500 Image *From:* Af on

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Chuck McCown
5000 watt of inverter is worth $1250. (5500-1250)/13500= 31 cents per watt hour. You guys have posted battery costs of half that. From: Craig Schmaderer Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 6:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof Chuck what do you think of the upgraded

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 10/28/16 6:04 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: Looks sweet. I hope it doesn't cost more than the house. I wonder how they'll handle all the roof penetrations you normally find on a house. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-29 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Chuck what do you think of the upgraded battery? $5,500 [Image] From: Af on behalf of Craig Schmaderer Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:04:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof Looks sweet. I hope it doesn't cost more than the

[AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

2016-10-28 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Looks sweet. I hope it doesn't cost more than the house. Get Outlook for iOS

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-06 Thread Adam Moffett
half Of *Chuck Hogg *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else? Regards, Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-06 Thread Chuck Hogg
rote: > > Nah…. Not enough places to plug in and charge around here…. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg > *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:55 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-05 Thread Bill Prince
:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else? Regards, Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-02 Thread Jason McKemie
ranium > based is that it spun off of nuclear weapon development. Thorium is more > abundant too. Just needs to be developed. > > *From:* Jason McKemie > > *Sent:* Saturday, April 02, 2016 12:43 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
Is that what powered the Atom Furnaces for Sky City’s gravity defying rays in Flash Gordon? Maybe that was radium. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 9:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Take a look at thorium reactors. Much

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-02 Thread Chuck McCown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power From: Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 8:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Take a look at thorium reactors. Much less bad waste, no chance of meltdown. The only reason

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-02 Thread Chuck McCown
, April 02, 2016 12:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? This company is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TerraPower On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-02 Thread Chuck McCown
I totally agree, I lease. I may never actually buy an electric car because of these reasons. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 11:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? No. But if the Leaf battery fails, it’s $6500 with labor

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Jason McKemie
is not that dangerous. A tanker of > chlorine or ammonia is much more dangerous. > > > *From:* Stefan Englhardt > *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? > > Nuclear is very expensive.

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
t; $15K. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 11:41 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? > > > > Does the Leaf use the

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Rory Conaway
ight. it didn't used to do it. how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44% - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
ave to work hard to turn > your gun site tritium into tritiated water. > > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 10:33 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? > > http://www.greenpeace.or

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Chuck McCown
tritiated water. You would really have to work hard to turn your gun site tritium into tritiated water. -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 10:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? http://www.greenpeace.org

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Chuck McCown
weeks. From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 10:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Tritium illuminates reticles on some of my scopes, too. I assume that's what you're talking about anyway. It's sealed inside of an alu

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
relative risk. >> >> From: Chuck McCown >> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? >> >> What exactly do you imagine a radiation “leak” is. >> We are talking uranium dioxid

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread George Skorup
a drawer in my kitchen. People do not have a realistic sense of the relative risk. *From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Chuck McCown
alpha emitters ground up that fine. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:20 PM To: a...@afmnug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? I can't count the amount of tritium in my house on two hands. And we always have lots of bananas! ;) I us

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
chunk of uranium in a drawer in my kitchen. People do not have > a realistic sense of the relative risk. > > *From:* Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? > > What exa

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Chuck McCown
I do have chunk of uranium in a drawer in my kitchen. People do not have a realistic sense of the relative risk. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? What exactly do you imagine a radiation

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Chuck McCown
What exactly do you imagine a radiation “leak” is. We are talking uranium dioxide. A ceramic pellet. Does not burn, melt, dissolve, evaporate... From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
t; Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00) > An: af@afmug.com > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? > > And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis > > Just reprocess it. And really it is

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Stefan Englhardt
responsibility to a separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the future. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Chuck McCown Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? And why are you thinking the

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread George Skorup
occupancy express lanes regardless of how many passengers - nice perk for now I’ll admit *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 12:39 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <ma

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Chuck McCown
: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will learn that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility for

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Stefan Englhardt
. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Josh Luthman Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
; > - Reply message - > From: "Josh Reynolds" > To: > Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? > Date: Fri, Apr 1, 2016 1:25 PM > > That sounds abnormal. It should not be dying at 44%, so either the phone > is reading it incorrectly of may

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
I would buy another battery but apparently it is built into the phone Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Date: Fri, Apr 1, 2016 1:25 PM That sounds abnormal. It sho

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Jeremy
gh occupancy express lanes regardless of how many passengers - nice perk >> for now I’ll admit >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg >> *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 12:39 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:*

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Luthman
too is that all electric cars here have automatic access to > high occupancy express lanes regardless of how many passengers - nice perk > for now I’ll admit > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg > *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 12:39 AM >

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Paul Stewart
: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Your making an assumption on the source. Could be Hydro, Coal, or Solar. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Coal and oil are kind of the same source for

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Luthman
eally to date …. > > > > With the cost of power (where I live) I’d seriously have to figure out the > electricity cost vs fuel efficient car … > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 12:00 AM > >

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Paul Stewart
@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than what I spend at a gas station. Then I have to pay for power anyway... Not a fan of the front end duck bill. The rear has too much Prius. Side

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Paul Stewart
Nah…. Not enough places to plug in and charge around here…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > No idea. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 12:40 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Luthman
ht. it didn't used to do it. >> >> how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44% >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Chuck McCown >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM >> *

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Chuck McCown
No idea. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Does the Leaf use the same system of batteries like the Tesla? Those fatter AA sized lithium ion batteries? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Chuck McCown
ar battery just died at 44% - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? But you don’t. That is the point. I have a charger at home and at work

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2016-04-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
. > > how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44% > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Chuck McCown > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? > > B

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/1/16 11:08, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: i have fleeting memories of my cellphone batteryi have an htc one remix. i've had it maybe a year. of course it gets drained every day. now it just dies when the battery is at 44%. i know it will - but thats not right. it didn't used to do it. how

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
f your car battery just died at 44% - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? But you don’t. That is the point. I have a charger at home and at work and a

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
I have found our walmart murphy usa has the fastest pumps and usually the best price - Original Message - From: Cassidy B. Larson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? Takes a bit more

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Jason McKemie
Well, the Vive is supposed to work with Steam. I'm more referring to an upcoming Sony headset, I'm guessing Microsoft will have something. The whole not having to have a gaming computer thing is huge. On Friday, April 1, 2016, Josh Reynolds wrote: > Consoles? > > Steam has a much larger library

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
Consoles? Steam has a much larger library and a larger more distributed content network. They also have a couple of appliances/consoles in the works though. On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: > We'll see how it plays out, but my money would ultimately be on consoles. > Unrival

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Jason McKemie
We'll see how it plays out, but my money would ultimately be on consoles. Unrivaled content and the barrier to entry is quite a bit lower. On Friday, April 1, 2016, Robert Andrews wrote: > Just like the iPod, what is the necessary component is the distribution of > content to the platform, such

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