On 9/11/16 17:49, Bruce Robertson wrote:
I wish them luck with the Reno/Tahoe IX. I started one over a decade
ago - well, it was no-settlement peering, not really an IX - and no one
was interested. They were all too busy being competitors rather than
cooperators.
It's still that way for some
Sure it is. Like free advice. Worth every penny.
From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Sorry but nothing is free…. just saying……
On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Let me guess, BGP
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>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>>
>> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can
>> pick them
Cown wrote:
>
> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where the
though it's still in a closet on the 20th floor :), but a closet with N+1
redundant cooling, power feeds, etc... The new SIX core Arista that is
coming soon will be a sight to behold.
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 9/11/16 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Are thes
On 9/12/16 09:06, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
I think if I had to do this I'd do multiple one gig pipes and route
certain pipes to certain subnets.
Break it up into smaller problems... ?
Nx1G with BGP load sharing is a viable option, it simply comes down to
cost effectiveness. I wouldn't personal
tream, going beyond 1 gig
On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I've got a port better than that. ;-)
>
I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mbps pricing considering what the status
quo where I am likes to charge. The cable co wouldn't even give me
pricing on a 10G
On 9/12/16 4:09 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route
server or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where
do you draw the line? Using Netflix caches for example…..
The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only
mall once.
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had illusions of grandeur of selling IP
> transit. It's a phase.
>
> Jared
>
>
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM
> From: "Paul Stewart"
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re:
Message -
From: "David Milholen"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:15:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Ok,
So if I understand you place a router to colo in IX for your ip space,correct?
What about capacity into your network? If you
sidy B. Larson
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can
> pick them up at Delong.
> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I kn
We were all small once.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had illusions of grandeur of selling IP
transit. It's a phase.
Jared
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM
From: "Paul Stewart"
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1
, Chuck McCown wrote:
I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
*From:* Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
The SIX extension Xmission/D
Ok,
So if I understand you place a router to colo in IX for your ip
space,correct?
What about capacity into your network? If you still only have access to
1Gig pipes.
Also, What is transport going to cost to increase those pipes to 10G so
that you will have that added capacity into your ne
We were all small once.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had illusions of grandeur of selling IP transit. It's a phase.
Jared
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM
From: "Paul Stewart"
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond
t;Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and
Akamai clusters.
On Sep 11, 2016, at
estix>
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> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
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> From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016
be just the port charge you will pay in the not too distant future.
>
> - and for some - the future is now...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1
Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Cassidy B. Larson"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:35:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
It’s cheaper for me to have ours on-net rather than on the IX. Also more
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> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
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On 9/11/16 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
BW cost will do what long distance rates did.
I don't think I've ever personally paid for long distance.
~Seth
afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and
Akamai clusters.
On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote:
I'm s
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>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
ntelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
So ideally you would want to interconnect
On 9/11/16 7:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
-.-
Well if you want DFZ prefixes to go with it, that's extra.
So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop?
From: Roger Timmerman
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the
peering relationships and
-.-
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Seth Mattinen"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:00:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
On
Cassidy B. Larson
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can
> pick them up at Delong.
> SLIX we connect to at Delong St..
On 9/11/16 6:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Where? I'd like some. ;-)
I've got switch with 10G ports on a workbench you can plug in to for
free. I guarantee the port will have 10G of bandwidth available on it at
all times.
~Seth
y, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick
them up at Delong.
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
Honestly, it’s not t
Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I
can pick them up at Delong.
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnec
Ah, Seth, I didn't realize this was yours. I wish you /the best/ of luck!
On 09/11/2016 04:14 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:38 PM, Ivan Kohler wrote:
Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe -
http://tahoeix.org/
2 years now. =)
The hardest part is educati
I wish them luck with the Reno/Tahoe IX. I started one over a decade
ago - well, it was no-settlement peering, not really an IX - and no one
was interested. They were all too busy being competitors rather than
cooperators.
On 09/11/2016 03:38 PM, Ivan Kohler wrote:
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 0
2016 7:06:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
On 9/11/16 5:05 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
> You have 1Gbps minimum of MS traffic alone?
> Or have they lowered their minimum requirements for deploying an appliance?
> It’s been a year or so.. maybe I need to hit
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:50:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA?
That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches.
They help me save a ton on transport/
On 9/11/16 5:05 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
You have 1Gbps minimum of MS traffic alone?
Or have they lowered their minimum requirements for deploying an appliance?
It’s been a year or so.. maybe I need to hit them up again.
Last I talked to them they said they are redesigning the program.
~S
com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Cassidy B. Larson" mailto:c...@infowest.com>>
>
We have a netflix caching server and it does help a ton.
From: Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA?
That’s where you’ll probably want
tember 11, 2016 6:50:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA?
That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches.
They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams.
Microsoft has caches too
future is now...
-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I've got a port better than that. ;-)
I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mb
On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> ...
> (if I tell, she might not kiss me again)
>
> From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I've got a port better than that. ;-)
I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mbps pricing considering what the status
quo where I am likes to charge. The cable co wouldn't even give me
pricing on a 10G unless I'd pre-commit to 5 years - thanks but I'll
pass.
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick
them up at Delong.
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to Sa
...
(if I tell, she might not kiss me again)
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port?
On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
I serio
afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:38:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet
sa
van Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11,
> 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond
> 1 gig
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>
>
> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's alr
I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
From: Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick
them up at Delong.
SLIX we
On 9/11/16 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Are these things physically located in a single data center?
That's how they all start. SIX started as two people with a switch in a
closet. Now it's more.
~Seth
On 9/11/16 3:38 PM, Ivan Kohler wrote:
Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe -
http://tahoeix.org/
2 years now. =)
The hardest part is education and outreach on why peering is good.
~Seth
ug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>
> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says
> there's SLIX - http://slix.n
Are these things physically located in a single data center?
-Original Message-
From: Ivan Kohler
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
Like to get
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet
says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/
Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe -
http://tahoeix.org/
--
I
Looking for the free bandwidth spoken of from Netflix and Google.
From: Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
There’s an IX in SLC already, http://slix.net/. We peer on it. No Netflix
though.
There is
; <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>
> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>
O really...
On Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>
> Do you have a
Ouch
On Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM, "Erich Kaiser" wrote:
> We can provide 10G there via Att and Zayo, oh wait you dumped us at the
> last second ( 2 days before install).
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> The Fusion Network
> er...@gotfusion.net
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Sun, Se
We can provide 10G there via Att and Zayo, oh wait you dumped us at the
last second ( 2 days before install).
Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
> I currently have two 1g upstreams an
Like to get an IX in SLC.
From: Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's cheaper
to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up
Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's cheaper
to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from
Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once
you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpen
16 4:46:05 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how
> have
> you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? Do
> you
> upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? U
Do you have the option of a third provider?
From: TJ Trout
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how have
you guys handled this in the past for those that
I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how
have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through
this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them
both to the same speed ?
Also for these two providers its super expensive for a
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