...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
I’ve only ever run into one bug with Cisco. It was fairly minor, but I opened
a TAC case. It was resolved in the next release, and I got an email from
16, 2016 2:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
I’ve had tons of auto negotiation problems with Cisco equipment. Admittedly,
this was mostly between Mikrotik and Cisco, but even putting another device
between them or replacing the MT unit with something else
Hammett
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
The #1 thing I learned at NANOG was that the big vendors are just as full of
shit as the little vendors. Cisco, Juniper, AlcaLu, etc. are all just as likely
to
...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
The complaints with Mikrotik are rarely about performance, though. They're
about bugs, lack of desired features, being ignored in general. If performance
use cgnat)
Not defending Juniper here despite really liking their gear… the same situation
happens in Cisco too …
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
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From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 7:51:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
Hmmm.. disagree on that one. I have be
this to work and others don’t.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
Not necessarily - one needs to be familiar with the hardware specs on the
particular Cisco
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
The #1 thing I learned at NANOG was that the big vendors are just as full of
shit as the little vendors. Cisco, Juniper, AlcaLu, etc. are all just as likely
to ignore problems and create bugs
the two 100G
ports are limited to 180Gb/s so it’s only very slight.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
To be fair, I can put something like 128x100Gbps
for
the latest features but also have to accept some risks and rely on the
community for support.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
I never said Mikrotik was at the total performance scale of the others. I'm
re you don’t have to wait years for
> the latest features but also have to accept some risks and rely on the
> community for support.
>
>
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:12 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with down
;>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <htt
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
Think he just finished writing a book!
Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220
for very large businesses they do the job nicely,
but for anything bringing in less than $10k a month, I just don’t see the need
for Cisco.
From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
Think he just
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From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:49:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
This is sort of an illustration of why I am still very wary of Mikrotik for
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To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:19:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
I agree there is a huge price difference between a Mikrotik and a
Juniper/Cisco/Brocade router, but you also need to look at the facts. Those
routers are made to support a Full rout
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> wrote:
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>> This just gets even better. Worked 24 hours, then breaks again. Up to
>> Level 4 tech support.
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>> Rory
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> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> *T
ssues which is exactly what this sub-topic has been about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To think otherwise is simply blind arrogance.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent
2016 8:19:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
I agree there is a huge price difference between a Mikrotik and a
Juniper/Cisco/Brocade router, but you also need to look at the facts. Those
routers are made to support a Full routed 10Gbps/40Gbps/100Gbps of throughput
per por
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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:58:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
You’re saying the Juniper/Cisco/Brocades of the wor
o warm my butt. Or my
> supermodel girlfriend takes too long in the bathroom.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 7:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
>
> The #1 thing I learned at NA
: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
The #1 thing I learned at NANOG was that the big vendors are just as full of
shit as the little vendors. Cisco, Juniper, AlcaLu, etc. are all just as likely
to ignore problems and create bugs as Mikrotik, Ubiquiti, etc.
When sitting at a table at about 1 AM one
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From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:05:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
Totally in agreement that serious b
m.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 4:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
>
>
>
> We had raons bit no dangling c
: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
Glen, I’m missing something. You told me what? I don’t think it’s a Mikrotik
issue at this point but I’ll know more in a couple hours.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf
Problem with download
hahaha
From: Josh Reynolds<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
In my best Steve impression:
"Fuck DOCSIS"
Ahem. :)
On Jan 15, 2016 9:4
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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:15:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with downloa
Problem with download
Well, I’m not going to say I told you so, but... [Smile with tongue out]
From: Rory Conaway<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
I understand.
hahaha
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
In my best Steve impression:
"Fuck DOCSIS"
Ahem. :)
On Jan 15, 2016 9:41 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
So can you f
So can you fix Rory’s download problem?
(trying to pull the thread back from fanboy tastes-great-less-filling Mac-vs-PC
territory)
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
My circle of friends has a pretty
y)
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 9:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
>
> My circle of friends has a pretty good success rate at getting Mikrotik
> bugs fixed. w
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:41:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
So can you fix Rory’s download problem?
(trying to pull the thread back from fanboy tastes-great-less-filling Mac-vs-PC
territory)
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016
Well, I’m not going to say I told you so, but...
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
I understand. However, we have determined this isn’t a Mikrotik issue. The
Edgerouter we put in worked for 24
e you are with the same type of complaints as we have with our
>>>>> vendors."
>>>>> The one at the international vendor chimed in, "and we pay 10x more for
>>>>> that right."
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't lose sight
Personally I’m not a fan of the CCR series anyway.
They don’t seem to have all the bugs worked out yet.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
The complaints with Mikrotik are rarely about performance
edin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:49:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re:
quot;Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:49:12 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
This is sort of an illustration of why I am sti
better. Worked 24 hours, then breaks again. Up to
> Level 4 tech support.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:56 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re:
January 14, 2016 9:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
>
>
>
> This is sort of an illustration of why I am still very wary of Mikrotik
> for routers.
>
> There's a myriad of Cisco routers available with 12 to 20 SFP-based GbE
-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
This is sort of an illustration of why I am still very wary of Mikrotik for
routers.
There's a myriad of Cisco routers available with 12 to 20 SFP
This just gets even better. Worked 24 hours, then breaks again. Up to Level 4
tech support.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
We are taking
I’m not terribly happy with ROS since 6.29.
Maybe it’s just still not 100% yet.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
Replaced the Mikrotik routers with an Airrouter, it works. Replaced
We are taking it to the Mikrotik forum. This makes no sense since we have 12
of the already running with no issues.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
Problem with download
We tried 3 Mikrotik routers, 2 cable modems, and two radios from two different
manufacturers.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird P
.
Original message
From: That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
Date: 1/11/2016 10:38 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
If it just started and youre in an area hit by storms, some of the neighbors,
mostly the empty
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
We had raons bit no dangling cables. Level 3 says no errors to the modem and
we had a tech out already. We are changing the 2011 to a 450 just to confirm
before we eacalate further.
Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless
Typed on my phone
@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
Nailed the problem down to the Mikrotik router having a problem with DNS
caching whether it’s Cox or Google. Not sure where to go from there since the
other 12 don’t have a problem.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
We tried 3 Mikrotik routers, 2 cable modems, and two radios from two different
manufacturers.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
MTU?
Last time I had
ke our wireless it can have good quality until loaded, then watch
> the quality drop to nearly nothing and loose connection.
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
quality until loaded, then watch the
quality drop to nearly nothing and loose connection.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
The Netgear router has nothing to do with it, I was just using their website
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
You mention Netgear, is this a Netgear router? They used to have a problem
with downloads stalling, but that was quite a few years ago. The fix was to
disable SPI Firewall
We have a cable circuit that can do everything except download. There is a
Mikrotik router between the computer and the cable modem. Haven't tested
taking the router out yet but we have tried 2 routers, same results.
Basically, downloads either don't start or start and then just crash. Game
You mention Netgear, is this a Netgear router? They used to have a problem
with downloads stalling, but that was quite a few years ago. The fix was to
disable SPI Firewall.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Problem
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