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>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:05 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
>
>
> I have an aggregate capacity of 400 mbps+ on a single 450
Do you actually see that in the real world or is that theoretical capacity?
Also, what is the maximum speed of the client radios?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
that
>are billed by cable pulls, antenna square footage, number of APs, etc...
>which is also why we rarely use towers. I'd rather find a few lower
>locations that have easy access than a single tower but that's not always
>realistic.
>
>Rory
>
>-----Original Mess
ars that it's gotten really hard to argue with
the value it
>>> > provides.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -- Original Message --
>>> > From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
>>> >
next generation products also.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
How much total frequency are you using with 12 horns deployed at a site? What
does your frequency re-use
alize it's not all that
> great.
> >>>
> >>> I am far more excited by the 9 client simultaneous transmissions in
> >>> 802.11ax via OFDMA.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:
> >>> > 450 stil
al Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should soon
arrive at US Beta store. An airfiber class radio mounte
; Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:59 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Sho
m with a Licensed gear right up there. You only
> need to bring 48V DC up to the tower.
>
>
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 09:34
> > An: af@afmug.
t;
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/13/2018 3:58:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should
soon arrive at US Beta store. An airfiber class radio mounted to horns
may give a real boost. There would be a lot capacity even using them at
smaller
cht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 09:34
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> I agree, it makes sense if you already have a cambium network on 450.
>
> For greenfield? Probably not
;>>>>>>> Let's say for the sake of argument that you're in the 80/20 camp,
>>>>>>>>> giving you 200Mbps to work with in above perfect conditions, gives
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> 3.57 Mbps p
IMO thing..ePMP will
probably
never
have
something like that.
UI is still sluggish on ePMP.
On the other hand ePMP has gotten so many feature improvements
over
these
past few years that it's gotten really hard to argue with the
value
it
provides.
-- Original Message --
From: "
f to 10MHz each, and put up 4
>> >> >> > Mimosas
>> >> >> > or 4 Gen2 Prism radios and have far more than 4x the possible
>> >> >> > subscriber account, improved tx/rx efficiency, improved range
>> >> >> > (increasing distance and SNR
4x increase in spectral
> >> >> > efficiency via OFDMA that doesn't cause you to cut down on tx/rx
> >> >> > chains for multi-client transmission (costing your range, per
> client
> >> >> > snr, and per-client throughput in t
nt throughput in the process). MU-MIMO is and will
>> >> > always be a niche hack that never lived up to what was promised.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:12 AM, Sean Heskett
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> Being able to
at peak Netflix time in a 20mhz channel without breaking a
> >> >> sweat is
> >> >> worth every penny.
> >> >>
> >> >> But it’s one tool in the tool box and isn’t the best solution for
> every
> >> >> deployment.
> >> >>
> >>
and isn’t the best solution for every
>> >> deployment.
>> >>
>> >> 2 cents
>> >>
>> >> -sean
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:32 PM Josh Reynolds
>> >> wrote:
er
> >>> > have
> >>> > something like that.
> >>> > UI is still sluggish on ePMP.
> >>> >
> >>> > On the other hand ePMP has gotten so many feature improvements over
> >>> > these
> >>> > past few
m far more excited by the 9 client simultaneous transmissions in
>>> 802.11ax via OFDMA.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> > 450 still does a few things that ePMP doesn't.
>>> > Plus there's that 14 chain MU-
;> > Plus there's that 14 chain MU-MIMO thing..ePMP will probably never
>> > have
>> > something like that.
>> > UI is still sluggish on ePMP.
>> >
>> > On the other hand ePMP has gotten so many feature improvements over
>> > these
>&g
>> >
> >> > On the other hand ePMP has gotten so many feature improvements over
> >> > these
> >> > past few years that it's gotten really hard to argue with the value it
> >> > provides.
> >> >
> >&g
7;s gotten really hard to argue with the value it
>> > provides.
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Original Message --
>> > From: "Chuck McCown"
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: 2/12/2018 8:27:56 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] m
these
> > past few years that it's gotten really hard to argue with the value it
> > provides.
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message ------
> > From: "Chuck McCown"
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 2/12/2018 8:27:56 PM
> > Sub
> provides.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown"
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/12/2018 8:27:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> The UI server was probably the worst I have ever seen.
>
> So, less than 25 subs per site, what spee
Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
I love the AF-11 for its price point and overall value. It’s a great product
to use to build out an 11GHz backbone if you don’t need the speed of the big
iron in the immediate future.
Jeff
018, at 7:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>>> So if y’all were helping a friend would you recommend 450 or ePMP?
>>>>
>>>> I doubt he will ever have more than 50 customers.
>>>>
>>>> I have not had much experience with ePMP in
Why not both? They rob themselves and also rob Ubiquiti, but that's
better than letting Ubiquiti eat their lunch.
-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/12/2018 11:09:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
I was given the budget if i wa
when it first came out.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have
> vertical separation, some are grain elevators. Ju
I doubt he will ever have more than 50 customers.
I have not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years. I
didn’t like it when it first came out.
*From:* Joe Novak
*Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
We have
cCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:44:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
Back in the day, the 5.2 band was limited to indoor or low power. Is that
limitation gone?
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject:
Back in the day, the 5.2 band was limited to indoor or low power. Is that
limitation gone?
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
These days you have lots of 5.x ghz to work with. You've got 5.1 through 5.8
minus
rst came out.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have
> vertical separation, some are grain elevators. Just gotta have some
nday, February 12, 2018 5:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
What didn't you like about it? The interface came a long way since the
early days of EPMP. We've got quite a bit deployed. A lot of people are
having weird GPS situations come up with the on-board GPS, we ha
ook out of the middle.
Any products will coexist when you have that much room to spread them
around.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/12/2018 6:32:04 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] mini wisp
T
ten really hard to argue with the
value it provides.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/12/2018 8:27:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
The UI server was probably the worst I have ever seen.
So, less than 25 subs per site, what speed packa
never use an AF5X anywhere. I used Orthogon when they first came out and
> had good luck.
>
> From: Jon Langeler
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> He’ll need some frequency separation. Hey I thought you
out.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have
> vertical separation, some are grain elevators. Just gotta have some
> f
mug.com
Sent: 2/12/2018 6:32:04 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] mini wisp
Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp. He is about 5.5
miles from a backbone connection. I would suggest AF5X to him but he
is gonna want to use 5 GHz for his wisp I presume.
Can an AF5X and some 5 GHz cambium (or
The UI server was probably the worst I have ever seen.
So, less than 25 subs per site, what speed packages do you sell to those 25?
Packetflux GPS sync.
From: Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
What didn't you like abo
e not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years. I didn’t
> like it when it first came out.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP c
How much bandwidth do you have to provide to the clients?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
What didn't you like about it? The interface came a long way since the early
12, 2018 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
>>
>>> All on the same tower, right?
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>>>
>>
omers.
>
> I have not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years. I didn’t like
> it when it first came out.
>
> From: Joe Novak
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> We have a few towers with
P in the last 4 years. I didn’t
> like it when it first came out.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have
> ver
er, right?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>>
>> Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in
>> Fabens, Texas sharing spectr
@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have vertical
separation, some are grain elevators. Just gotta have some frequency
separation. I really like them. Latency under load is good, it's a purpose
built radio and I think it s
Solorza
>
> On Feb 12, 2018 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
>
>> All on the same tower, right?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>>
>> Y
:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in
> Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
>
&
I never use an AF5X anywhere. I used Orthogon when they first came out and had
good luck.
From: Jon Langeler
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
He’ll need some frequency separation. Hey I thought you would’ve know all this
stuff a long
ebruary 12, 2018 4:41 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in
> Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>> On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, &q
All on the same tower, right?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in
Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues...
Jaime Solorza
On Feb
Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in
Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues...
Jaime Solorza
On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
> Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp. He is about 5.5
> miles from a backbone conn
Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp. He is about 5.5 miles
from a backbone connection. I would suggest AF5X to him but he is gonna want
to use 5 GHz for his wisp I presume.
Can an AF5X and some 5 GHz cambium (or others) access points peacefully coexist
on a tower?
Very rura
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