[agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-16 Thread ivan . moony
What should symbolic approach include to entirely replace neural networks approach in creating true AI? Is that task even possible? What benefits and drawbacks we could expect or hope for if it is possible? If it is not possible, what would be the reasons? Thank you all for your time. -

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-16 Thread Jim Rutt
Seems unlikely as the first approach. ANNs help us bridge things we have little understanding of via brute force and lots of data. Perhaps AFTER we get to ASI the ASI can figure out how to recode itself symbolically, at huge gain (likely) in performance. On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 11:27 AM wrote:

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-16 Thread ivan . moony
On Wednesday, May 15, 2024, at 8:01 PM, stefan.reich.maker.of.eye wrote: > Is it AGI? I believe, what they currently have, is a true AI, but they re taking a wrong approach. They "train" it on a vast of data of questionable quality, hoping to earn a big money while spending the least resources p

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-16 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
On 5/16/24 17:26, ivan.mo...@gmail.com wrote: What should symbolic approach include to entirely replace neural networks approach in creating true AI? Is that task even possible? What benefits and drawbacks we could expect or hope for if it is possible? If it is not possible, what would be the

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-16 Thread Mike Archbold
It seems like most approaches including symbolic only could eventually lead to "true AI" if you mean ~ passing the Turing test, but it might take 100 years. There is a race to the finish aspect to AI though. On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 8:27 AM wrote: > What should symbolic approach include to entire

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-16 Thread James Bowery
First, fix quantum logic: https://web.archive.org/web/20061030044246/http://www.boundaryinstitute.org/articles/Dynamical_Markov.pdf Then realize that empirically true cases can occur not only in multiplicity (OR), but with structure that includes the simultaneous (AND) measurement dimensions of t

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-16 Thread Quan Tesla
Without neural networks, a symbolic approach wouldn't be effective. My view is that, depending on the definition of what "symbolic approach" means in the context of AGI, in the least both such operational schemas would be required to achieve the level of systems abstraction that would satisfy a sci

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-16 Thread Mike Archbold
Historically the AGI community has not really embraced neural networks -- and the cost has been that the AI explosion has come from the mainstream more or less. On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 7:01 PM Quan Tesla wrote: > Without neural networks, a symbolic approach wouldn't be effective. My > view is th

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-16 Thread Rob Freeman
James, For relevance to type theories in programming I like Bartosz Milewski's take on it here. An entire lecture series, but the part that resonates with me is in the introductory lecture: "maybe composability is not a property of nature" Cued up here: Category Theory 1.1: Motivation and Philo