Hmmm. I am rarely inspired to an official "moderation" action
[though recently some people moderated **me** due to my overly sarcastic
humor regarding AIXI]
But, comments like
"
Your arrogance surely
exceeds your intelligence.
"
should be avoided on this list Let's keep things civil!
Th
I put up with 1 person out of all the thousands of emails I get who insisted
on sending standard text messages as a attachment. Because of virus
infections, I had normally set all emails with attachments to automatically
get put in the garbage can. I had to stop that so I could read your emails
f
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:47:35AM -0700, David Clark wrote:
> In my previous email, I mistakenly edited out the part from Yan King Yin and
> it looks like the "We know that logic is easy" was attributed to him when it
> was actually a quote of Eugen Leitl.
>
> Sorry for my mistake.
It's not you
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 12:00:09PM -0700, rooftop8000 wrote:
> Trying to make a seed AI is the same as hoping to win the lottery.
Winning the lottery is an unbiased stochastical process. Darwinian
co-evolution is a highly biased stochastical process. Seeds are one-way
hashes (morphogenetic code
>
> We've desintegrated into discussion minutiae (which programming language,
> etc.)
> but the implicit plan is to build a minimal seed that can bootstrap by
> extracting knowledge from its environment. The seed must be open-ended,
> as in adapting itself to the problem domain. I think vision i
In my previous email, I mistakenly edited out the part from Yan King Yin and
it looks like the "We know that logic is easy" was attributed to him when it
was actually a quote of Eugen Leitl.
Sorry for my mistake.
-- David Clark
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From: "Eugen Leitl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [agi] Fwd: Numenta Newsletter: March 20, 2007
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 06:12:45PM +0800, YKY (Yan King Yin) wrote:
>
> We know that logic is easy. People only had to le
I totally agree that maximum speed is required for AGI. I agree with Ben
that flexabilty is also needed (he might have said liked, not needed) like
seen in Ruby. My language IDE has a small simple editor built-in that
automatically reformats the code and compiles as it saves making compiling
tota
I've read the whitepaper on HTM's and NuPIC. It seems more of a
marketing strategy to attract laypeople, since I can't see anything it
can solve that a NN (a recurrent and well designed/evolved one with a
little preprocessing of input) can't.
On 3/21/07, Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
On 21/03/07, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* use a combination of lidar and camera input
* write code that took this combined input to make a 3D contour map of
the perceived surfaces in the world
* use standard math transforms to triangulate this contour map
* use some AI heuristics (w
I think making direct comparisons between computational power and the animal
kingdom has always been a questionable exercise, but I generally agree with
trying to tackle problems in a similar order that evolution did, because
evolution needed to find incremental solutions.
I've long wanted to bui
Eventually, yeah, a useful AGI should be able to process visual info,
just like it should be able to understand human language.
Being able to learn to see and to learn to hear, yes? How much
of it do you expect to be hardwired?
E.g. part of what cochlea does directly in hardware is a Fou
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 08:21:57AM -0400, Ben Goertzel wrote:
> Eventually, yeah, a useful AGI should be able to process visual info,
> just like it should be able to understand human language.
Being able to learn to see and to learn to hear, yes? How much
of it do you expect to be hardwired?
E.
FYI...After reading Hawkins book I actually believe that his ideas may
indeed underlie a future AGI system...but they need to be fleshed out in
much greater detail...
Cheers,
K
Their current concept implementation did not change substantially since
their first "proof-of-concept" implementation
Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
On 3/20/07, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would certainly expect that a mature Novamente system would be able to
easily solve this kind of
invariant recognition problem. However, just because a human toddler
can solve this sort of problem easily, doesn't
mean
--- "YKY (Yan King Yin)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/20/07, rooftop8000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi, I've been thinking for a bit about how a big collaboration AI project
> > could work. I browsed the archives and i see you guys have similar
> > ideas
> >
> > I'd love to see someo
On 3/21/07, Shane Legg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/21/07, Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sometimes the slowness of a program is not contained in a small
> portion of a program.
Sure. For us however this isn't the case.
Cobra looks nice, very clean to read, even more so than
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 06:12:45PM +0800, YKY (Yan King Yin) wrote:
>Hi Eugen, This opinion is *biased* by placing too much emphasis on
>sensory / vision. I tried to build such a vision-centric AGI a couple
We know that logic is easy. People only had to learn to deal with
it evolutionar
Having had a long standing interest in machine vision I find this demo
deeply unimpressive. It's a classic example of the kind of "toy" problem
which may work well within its very restricted domain but when supplied with
more realistic data (i.e. photos of real objects) fails catastrophically.
Sc
On 3/21/07, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The best way to extract information is by observing the environment.
The only way to build effective robotics platform is use vision, or
an equivalent high-bandwidth channel.
This is the acid test for any useful general AI. If it can't learn
to
On 3/21/07, Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sometimes the slowness of a program is not contained in a small
portion of a program.
Sure. For us however this isn't the case.
Cobra looks nice, very clean to read, even more so than Python.
However the fact that it's in beta and .NET
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 09:20:06PM -0700, Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
> I generally agree, but wanted to ask this: Shouldn't AGIs be visual in
> focus because we are? We want AGIs to help us with various tasks many
The best way to extract information is by observing the environment.
The only way to b
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