Re: [agi] Minsky and the AI emergency

2007-10-30 Thread Joshua Fox
Surely Marvin Minsky -- a top MIT professor, with a world-beating reputation in multiple fields -- can snap his fingers and get all the required funding, whether commercial or non-profit, for AGI projects which he initiates or supports? Joshua 2007/10/28, Bob Mottram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This

Re: [agi] Minsky and the AI emergency

2007-10-30 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
On Oct 30, 2007 4:59 AM, Joshua Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely Marvin Minsky -- a top MIT professor, with a world-beating reputation in multiple fields -- can snap his fingers and get all the required funding, whether commercial or non-profit, for AGI projects which he initiates or

[agi] Computational formalisms appropriate to adaptive and intelligent systems?

2007-10-30 Thread William Pearson
I have recently been trying to find better formalisms than TMs for different classes of adaptive systems (including the human brain), and have come across the Persistent Turing Machines[1], which seem to be a good first step in that direction. They have expressiveness claimed to be greater than

Re: [agi] Computational formalisms appropriate to adaptive and intelligent systems?

2007-10-30 Thread Pei Wang
Thanks for the link. I agree that this work is moving in an interesting direction, though I'm afraid that for AGI (and adaptive systems in general), TM may be too low as a level of description --- the conclusions obtained in this kind of work may be correct, but not constructive enough. Even so,

Re: [agi] Minsky and the AI emergency

2007-10-30 Thread Richard Loosemore
Joshua Fox wrote: Surely Marvin Minsky -- a top MIT professor, with a world-beating reputation in multiple fields -- can snap his fingers and get all the required funding, whether commercial or non-profit, for AGI projects which he initiates or supports? Joshua No: he was outflanked by

RE: [agi] Minsky and the AI emergency

2007-10-30 Thread Edward W. Porter
Deb Roy at the MIT media lab, and his The Human Speechome Project, are supposed to have garnered the following resources for a major AI task. Deb Roy is a very, repeat very, bright guy, at this point in time probably much brighter than Minsky. more than 3,000 Seagate SATA drives, more

Re: [agi] Minsky and the AI emergency

2007-10-30 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
I love Deb Roy and think his work is wonderful, but one thing he does NOT have is a coherent design for an AGI ... As I understand it, what he's doing now is aimed at gathering loads of speech data, for later analysis... His prior work on robotics and symbol grounding was also really cool, but

Re: [agi] Minsky and the AI emergency

2007-10-30 Thread Pei Wang
A fun demo of a previous project of him : http://www.media.mit.edu/cogmac/videos/ripley%20grasping%20objects_sm.mov Pei On 10/30/07, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love Deb Roy and think his work is wonderful, but one thing he does NOT have is a coherent design for an AGI ...

Re: [agi] popularizing injecting sense of urgency

2007-10-30 Thread Jiri Jelinek
I'll probably include a reference to the: Risks to civilization, humans and planet Earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risks_to_civilization%2C_humans_and_planet_Earth Jiri On Oct 30, 2007 10:18 AM, Jiri Jelinek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea that we really need to build smarter machines to

Re: [agi] Toddler Turing test

2007-10-30 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
I read the paper -- nothing terribly interesting, but it does provide empirical validation that a) it is quite possible to do a Turing Test type simulation with kids aged as young as 5 b) current AI programs (at least the chat bots they tried out in their experiment) can't pass this Turing test

Re: [agi] popularizing injecting sense of urgency

2007-10-30 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Jiri Jelinek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll probably include a reference to the: Risks to civilization, humans and planet Earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risks_to_civilization%2C_humans_and_planet_Earth Because AI will save the world or destroy it? -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [agi] popularizing injecting sense of urgenc

2007-10-30 Thread Jiri Jelinek
Because AI will save the world or destroy it? Because it can significantly help us to accomplish our goals - whatever that is ATM. Destroying the Earth might be in our best interest at some point in the future. But not now I guess :). Of course depends on who will control the AGI, but powerful