BUS: PAYIN' ATTENTION!

2010-12-19 Thread Elliott Hird
I submit the following CFJ (II=2) to the Justiciar: {There is 1 light.} I submit the following CFJ (II=2) to the Justiciar: {There are 2 lights.} I submit the following CFJ (II=2) to the Justiciar: {There are 3 lights.} I submit the following CFJ (II=2) to the Justiciar: {There are 4 lights.} I

Re: BUS: PAYIN' ATTENTION!

2010-12-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 10-12-19 02:39 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: I submit the following CFJ (II=2) to the Justiciar: {There is 1 light.} I submit the following CFJ (II=2) to the Justiciar: {There are 2 lights.} I submit the following CFJ (II=2) to the Justiciar: {There are 3 lights.} I submit the following CFJ (II=2)

BUS: Oh, and

2010-12-19 Thread Sean Hunt
For each elected office, I intend, with notice and acting as Grand Vizier, to resign it. -scshunt

Re: BUS: PAYIN' ATTENTION!

2010-12-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I submit the following CFJ (II=2) to the Justiciar: {There are 250 lights.} Proposal (II=0, Distributable): There are FIVE CFJs! Amend Rule 2175 (Judicial Retraction and Excess) by inserting the following text

Re: BUS: PAYIN' ATTENTION!

2010-12-19 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 16:58 -0500, omd wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I submit the following CFJ (II=2) to the Justiciar: {There are 250 lights.} Proposal (II=0, Distributable): There are FIVE CFJs! Amend Rule 2175 (Judicial

BUS: Re: Being Terrible (Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] I needed this one to be in a separate distribution, you'll see why later)

2010-12-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 5:10 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:50 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with notice, to amend Rule 2324 by appending the following paragraph:      omd CAN ಠ_ಠ an Agoran decision by announcement.  This extends      the length of

BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2921

2010-12-19 Thread Alex Smith
I judge CFJ 2921 FALSE. The rule implies that making a claim, in the context of the rule in question, is something that has to be done deliberately (by making it illegal to do so falsely); and I wasn't intending to do so. (In fact, I vaguely remembered the rule in question existed, looked for it

Re: BUS: PAYIN' ATTENTION!

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: -1. I judge them all FALSE, except for the fourth, which I judge TRUE. I award myself 175 ergs and 150 capacitors for these cases. I intend, with 2 support, to appeal the CFJs about there being 1-3

BUS: CFJ

2010-12-19 Thread omd
CFJ: The voting period of Proposal 6938 has ended. Arguments: Proposal 6938 is Urgent, and it has been between four and seven days since it was distributed. Rule 2313 states that Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the Voting Period of an Agoran Decision to adopt an Urgent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Day

2010-12-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 10-12-19 07:30 PM, omd wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I disagree and in any case, the original (blocked for moderation) message made it quite explicit. As a result: CoE against the PSM's report: I have far more ergs than that and also my

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 6943

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 10-12-16 10:55 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: On 10-12-16 07:12 PM, omd wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: The jurisprudence is that if the Promotor errs in describing a proposal e authored, e actually submits an alternate proposal

BUS: Oh, and

2010-12-19 Thread Sean Hunt
If possible, I create myself 250 ergs for judging each of the CFJs numbered -1. Then, if I did that, I pay fees to: - Destroy all ergs owned by players other than myself and ehird. - Raise ehird to Kitchen Staff Supervisor - Raise myself to Chief Justice - Destroy all Rests owned by myself

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 6943

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 10-12-16 10:55 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: On 10-12-16 07:12 PM, omd wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: The jurisprudence is that if the Promotor errs in describing a proposal e authored, e actually submits an alternate proposal

BUS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6914-6927

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
These voting periods were extended (at most three voters apiece, and scshunt didn't rubberstamp until after the extension). The following eligible voters have not yet voted: ais523, ehird, Flameshadowxeroshin, omd (voted only on 6921), Sgeo, Tanner L. Swett. 6914 O 1 1.0 Warrigal

BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2923 assigned to omd

2010-12-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2923 ===  CFJ 2923 (Interest Index = 0)      scshunt did not have enough ergs to pay the above quoted fees.

BUS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6914-6927

2010-12-19 Thread omd
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 6:20 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote:  NUM  C I AI  SUBMITTER           TITLE  6914 O 1 1.0 Warrigal            Spelling reform begins with Agora AGAINST  6915 O 0 2.0 omd                 Psychohistorical accuracy FOR  6916 O 0 2.0 omd                 oops FOR  6917 O

BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2926 assigned to scshunt

2010-12-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 10-12-19 09:01 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2926 == Criminal Case 2926 (Interest Index = 0) === omd violated rule 2202, committing the Class 8 Crime of Endorsing Forgery, by knowingly announcing intent to

BUS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6914-6927

2010-12-19 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 18:20 -0500, omd wrote: NUM C I AI SUBMITTER TITLE I vote as follows: 6914 O 1 1.0 WarrigalSpelling reform begins with Agora AGAINST 6915 O 0 2.0 omd Psychohistorical accuracy PRESENT 6916 O 0 2.0 omd oops FOR

BUS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6928-6940

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
6928 O 0 3.0 omd Remove a useless SHOULD AGAINST 6929 O 0 3.0 omd oh and FOR 6930 O 1 3.0 ais523 Fix ratification FOR 6931 O 1 1.7 omd Duplicate cases are IRRELEVANT FOR 6932 O 1 2.0 scshunt Single Positive AGAINST

Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
I withdraw my previous votes on all agoran decisions in their voting period and vote PRESENT. (my apologies, I was going to do something very very different, but with a voting limit of 0 I cannot). -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2926 assigned to scshunt

2010-12-19 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 23:04 -0500, omd wrote: Making incorrect statements is one issue. Attempting to ratify them is another. I don't think they're the same crime, and indeed, you could be punished for both. Pretty damn similar: if I hadn't intended to ratify the document, publishing it

Re: BUS: CFJ

2010-12-19 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 23:15 -0500, omd wrote: CFJ (II=100): This CFJ's interest index is 100. Arguments: Rule 2225 takes precedence over Rule 2153. I favour this CFJ. (I note that all judges are poorly qualified to judge it if it does indeed have II 100.) -- ais523

Re: BUS: PAYIN' ATTENTION!

2010-12-19 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 18:26, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: -1. I judge them all FALSE, except for the fourth, which I judge TRUE. I award myself 175 ergs and 150 capacitors for these

BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2918 judged GUILTY / DISCHARGE by omd

2010-12-19 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 19:04, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2918 == Criminal Case 2918 (Interest Index = 0) === scshunt violated Rule 2283, committing the Class-2 Crime of Assaulting the

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2918 judged GUILTY / DISCHARGE by omd

2010-12-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I intend, with two support, to appeal this case's question on sentencing. The DISCHARGE clause seems to apply when players exceed the number of ergs they have because they do not know how many they have, which is reasonable given that the PSM's

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2918 judged GUILTY / DISCHARGE by omd

2010-12-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I support.  The appropriate question to ask is not whether the defendant in question misinterpreted, but whether it was a reasonable misinterpretation to make (I personally don't think it is, but either way, the judge

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, omd wrote: What voting has to do with the CFJ, I meant to hit reply to Murphy's unofficial order of succession, and was too lazy to change it. why your voting limit is 0, See said unofficial list. why you are purporting to vote PRESENT if your voting limit is 0. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 10-12-19 11:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Arguments:  an opinion can be reasonably interpreted as exactly one opinion, leading to a straightforward judgement of TRUE. It can't really. This interpretation is generally

BUS: (no subject)

2010-12-19 Thread omd
The judicial system is pretty important. It used to be more important; we've had a significant shift over time from ambiguous text, clarified via precedent, to unambiguous text, amended if a potential issue is found; and CFJ 2909 is a pretty good, although unusual, trophy of the latter as it's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread omd
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: why your voting limit is 0, See said unofficial list. Oh. Of course. Well, just for fun I pay a fee to move G. up one position on the List of Succession.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 21:16 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, omd wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: why your voting limit is 0, See said unofficial list. Oh. Of course. Well, just for fun I pay a fee to move G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Day

2010-12-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 10-12-19 07:34 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: I call a CFJ with II 2 explicitly doubting the most recent PSM's report on {I created 150 or more capacitors last week.} Arguments: I certainly forgot about the moderation. There is, to my knowledge, no documentation of it anywhere. Historically, it has

BUS: Proposal: Fix Urgency

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Proposal: Fix Urgency (AI = 3, II = 0, co-author = omd, distributable by announcement) Amend Rule 2313 (Urgent Proposals) by replacing this text: Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the Voting Period of an Agoran Decision to adopt an Urgent Proposal is initially four days,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fix Urgency

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:    Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the minimum and initial    voting period of an Agoran decision to adopt an Urgent Proposal    is four days. This doesn't fix it. I think it does,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Day

2010-12-19 Thread Taral
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I retract this CFJ; Taral rejected the message. For the record: This is (and has always been) my standard practice. If you get a message about your mail being held for moderation, you can expect that it will be

BUS: Boop

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
I transfer a prop from myself to Yally because I misread my notes on which case e recently favored. I suppose you and scshunt could agree to transfer 2929 and 2931 to each other or something.