For rule cleanings, it would be nice (IMHO) to have who cleaned the rule be
part of the annotation, for the historical record. One could tack something
like “on the application of ” onto the end of the annotation so
that we’d know who did it. Obviously, this wouldn’t apply retroactively
unless some
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 04:00, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
wrote:
> Rule 991 states:
>
> > At any time, each CFJ is either open (default), suspended, or
> > assigned exactly one judgement.
>
>
> What exactly does it mean for a CFJ to be "assigned exactly one
> judgement"? Specifical
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:45 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Wed., Jan. 29, 2020, 23:35 Luke Tyler via agora-discussion, <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > > Amend Rule 2532 (Zombies) by:
> > > - appending "A player CAN, without
On Wed., Jan. 29, 2020, 23:35 Luke Tyler via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > Amend Rule 2532 (Zombies) by:
> > - appending "A player CAN, without 3 objections, flip eir own master
> switch
> > to any other player. Other players SHOULD NOT object unless they believ
> Amend Rule 2532 (Zombies) by:
> - appending "A player CAN, without 3 objections, flip eir own master switch
> to any other player. Other players SHOULD NOT object unless they believe
> that the intent is part of an attempt to flood Agora with the undead."
> Amend Rule 2574 (Zombie Life Cycle)
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:27 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 23:08, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > Here's a draft report. Comments are, as always, highly appreciated.
> >
> > -A
Yet another error: "Clearer Resolutions" is democratic. Gosh that's a
lot for the first 10 minutes.
-Aris
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Aris Merchant
wrote:
>
> Another error: The title of the proposal "Sergeant-at-Arms" was not in
> the full text section.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at
Another error: The title of the proposal "Sergeant-at-Arms" was not in
the full text section.
-Aris
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:13 PM Aris Merchant
wrote:
>
> I caught an error: Rewards Patch & Equitable Remedy is AI 1.0.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:08 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discus
I caught an error: Rewards Patch & Equitable Remedy is AI 1.0.
-Aris
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:08 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> Here's a draft report. Comments are, as always, highly appreciated.
>
> -Aris
> ---
> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Here's a draft report. Comments are, as always, highly appreciated.
-Aris
---
I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 7, the voting
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 22:23, omd via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business
> wrote:
> > [Note that the existing "more than one option" text is basically
> > tautologically true and practically useless anyway. P
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 21:46, omd via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:45 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business
> wrote:
> > Enact a new power-1 rule entitled "Default Mechanisms" reading as
> follows:
>
> I feel like this makes more sense in a hi
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business
wrote:
> [Note that the existing "more than one option" text is basically
> tautologically true and practically useless anyway. PRESENT is an option,
> so only a decision with no other options would only have one. And even if
> we chan
Love the concept—I imagine many players (including me) had some vague plan of
writing this up at some point.
Feedback inline.
Gaelan
> On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>
> This proto marks the beginning of my quests for reform in two large
> areas of
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:52 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
>
> On 1/29/2020 5:14 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote:
> > G. wrote:
> >> awww - i'd seen that and my birthday is Feb 4th
> >
> > Same, though it sounds like it wouldn't have gone unnoticed until May
> >
On 1/29/2020 5:14 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote:
> G. wrote:
>> awww - i'd seen that and my birthday is Feb 4th
>
> Same, though it sounds like it wouldn't have gone unnoticed until May
> anyway...
>
> You can still use it, though! No chance of the proposal passing before
On 1/29/2020 6:11 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 14:17, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
>
>> Having achieved a full set of 16 Ribbons, including the new Emerald
>> Ribbon, I Raise a Banner, causing me to win the game.
>>
>> -twg
>>
>
> Given that:
> a) I'm genuinely uncertain about th
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:45 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business
wrote:
> Enact a new power-1 rule entitled "Default Mechanisms" reading as follows:
I feel like this makes more sense in a high-power rule so it doesn't
break with secured actions.
The broad wording also makes me very nervous about s
A few comments:
* "Body of law" is a very long phrase for such an important concept.
Could we try to come up with something shorter? If not, we could
shorten it to "BoL", though that doesn't have quite the same ring as
"CoE".
* Your proposal titles are very long, and the Promotor's office would
re
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:08 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 20:45, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > Jason wrote:
> > > On 1/28/20 10:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
> > >
> > > >
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 14:17, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> Having achieved a full set of 16 Ribbons, including the new Emerald
> Ribbon, I Raise a Banner, causing me to win the game.
>
> -twg
>
Given that:
a) I'm genuinely uncertain about the stat
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 20:45, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> Jason wrote:
> > On 1/28/20 10:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
> >
> > > //
> > > ID: 8305
> > > Title: Keepi
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 19:21, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> A bit messy, no? Most deferences in rules actually do something
> significant; if it doesn't, it's likely to make people go "why is that
> in there?"
>
> -Aris
>
It's also future-proofing;
Erm... you might want to check this list again. You have it going 3, 4, 6,
7.
-Aris
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 13:45, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 20:50, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:35 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> > Gaelan wrote:
> >> NOTARY'S REPORT OF JANUARY 29 2020
> >
> > Ooh, j
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:35 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business
> wrote:
>
> Gaelan wrote:
>> NOTARY'S REPORT OF JANUARY 29 2020
>
> Ooh, just occurred to me you don't have a Ministry set! That probably
> wants doing. I reckon Economy probably fits best, since the Ministries
> rule speci
Jason wrote:
> I know this is probably unnecessarily pedantic
You are talking to a group of people who spend an appreciable fraction
of their free time arguing about the proper interpretation of a
twenty-seven-year-old set of rules governing the allowable use of a
mailing list.
-twg
G. wrote:
> awww - i'd seen that and my birthday is Feb 4th
Same, though it sounds like it wouldn't have gone unnoticed until May
anyway...
You can still use it, though! No chance of the proposal passing before
then, barring shenanigans.
-twg
apathy is the most noble
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:44 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 1/29/2020 11:17 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote:
> > >
awww - i'd seen that and my birthday is Feb 4th
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:36 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business
wrote:
>
> I submit the following proposal. *winces*
>
> -Aris
> ---
> Title: Finite Gifting
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: Aris
> Co-authors:
>
> Amend Rule 2585, Birthday Gifts,
On 1/29/20 7:27 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:23 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>> On 1/28/20 10:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
>>> Amend Rule 2438 ("Ribbons") as follows:
>>>
>>> Replace the paragraph starting "While a person
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:23 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> On 1/28/20 10:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
> > Amend Rule 2438 ("Ribbons") as follows:
> >
> > Replace the paragraph starting "While a person qualifies..." with
> > the following:
>
>
> I know this is pro
On 1/28/20 10:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
> Amend Rule 2438 ("Ribbons") as follows:
>
> Replace the paragraph starting "While a person qualifies..." with
> the following:
I know this is probably unnecessarily pedantic, but does this work with
the "..." being inside the quotati
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:38 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business
wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 17:34, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business <
> > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:44 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
>
> On 1/29/2020 11:17 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote:
> > Having achieved a full set of 16 Ribbons, including the new Emerald
> > Ribbon, I Raise a Banner, causing me to win the game.
>
> Congratulations!!
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 17:35, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> What about different mechanisms? I think we have rules where the officer
> CAN do it by announcement, but everyone else needs CONSENT.
>
> Gaelan
>
Sounds like a fun CFJ. ;)
-Alexis
What about different mechanisms? I think we have rules where the officer CAN do
it by announcement, but everyone else needs CONSENT.
Gaelan
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 18:03, Jason Cobb via agora-business <
> agora-busin.
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business
> wrote:
>
> Proposal: On Possibility (AI=1)
> {{{
> Enact a new power-1 rule entitled "Default Mechanisms" reading as follows:
> {
> If the Rules other than this one, as a whole, provide that a person CAN
> perform an action, but
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:48 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
> The officer was under a
> SHALL to check all transactions, but any that got missed (after a
> certain time limit) succeeded "for free".
The Rule for this was reasonably self-contained and seems similar to
what you're talking about, so figured I
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 18:03, Jason Cobb via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> I submit the following proposal:
>
> Title: Deputisation timeliness
>
> AI: 3
>
> Author: Jason Cobb
>
> Co-authors: Alexis
>
> {
>
> Amend Rule 2160 to read, in whole:
>
> {
>
> A player acting a
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:22 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:32 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
> wrote:
> > Warrigal's proposal of pragmatic validation is an interesting one, and one
> > that I haven't really seen Agora use before if memory serves. The one I'm
> > famili
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:32 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
wrote:
> Warrigal's proposal of pragmatic validation is an interesting one, and one
> that I haven't really seen Agora use before if memory serves. The one I'm
> familiar with is having actions be POSSIBLE but ILLEGAL where they wou
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 16:19, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> Regardless, there are simple ways to implement Warrigal's proposal on
> top of assets, and I'm simply saying that I'd prefer that we use those
> instead. For allowing negative balances, for
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:31 PM Alexis Hunt wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 15:22, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, light, no. Last time we tried to store money as accounts it was an
>> infernal mess. It lead to a never ending series of bugs and
>> counterintuitive result
Aleixs wrote:
> I think that Warrigal's concerns are valid. The only reason that the asset
> rules work so well is because they've been well-tested and worked out.
> Changing the base away from them to something else is entirely viable; it
> would require care and likely plenty of time while things
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 15:22, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> Oh, light, no. Last time we tried to store money as accounts it was an
> infernal mess. It lead to a never ending series of bugs and
> counterintuitive results.
>
> For the implementation,
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:46 AM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> I've been thinking about what makes Agora difficult to play as compared to
> other games.
>
> Something I've noticed about the current rules is that lots of game actions
> and effects are all woven together in such a way
I've been thinking about what makes Agora difficult to play as compared to
other games.
Something I've noticed about the current rules is that lots of game actions
and effects are all woven together in such a way that if a mistake is made
with any piece of it, the mistake can quickly propagate and
On 1/29/2020 11:17 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote:
> Having achieved a full set of 16 Ribbons, including the new Emerald
> Ribbon, I Raise a Banner, causing me to win the game.
Congratulations!!
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 9:41 PM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:06 AM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > On Jan 23, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
> > > wrote:
> > > Of course, "TCC" stands for "the TCC Corpor
On 1/29/20 1:45 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote:
> Jason Cobb wrote:
>> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8287-8307
>> =
>>
>> I hereby resolve the Agoran decisions to adopt the below proposals.
> NB: The F/A ratios on several of Proposals 8292-8307, and on th
Jason Cobb wrote:
> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8287-8307
> =
>
> I hereby resolve the Agoran decisions to adopt the below proposals.
NB: The F/A ratios on several of Proposals 8292-8307, and on the second
attempt at 8290, are incorrect because they do not take into acc
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 12:31 Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> You kids and your timely fashions. When I was young, we did things as soon
> as possible both ways and we liked it!
>
You know, I *still* think of VVLOP and second-class persons (and
second-cl
On 1/29/2020 9:25 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote:
> (then again, there's also this:)
>
>> Judgments in Nomic are not bound by rules of precedent, for that would
>> require a daunting amount of record-keeping for each game.
Well, e's not wrong...
On 1/29/2020 9:32 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> On 1/29/2020 9:25 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote:
>> (then again, there's also this:)
>>
>>> Judgments in Nomic are not bound by rules of precedent, for that would
>>> require a daunting amount of record-keeping for each game.
>
>
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 12:25, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> Aris wrote:
> > For the record, I strongly disagree. I think Spivak is part of Agoran
> > culture at this point, like the “or” suffixes at the end of offices. It’s
> > part of what make
Aris wrote:
> For the record, I strongly disagree. I think Spivak is part of Agoran
> culture at this point, like the “or” suffixes at the end of offices. It’s
> part of what makes Agora different and unique. In short, it’s a dialectal
> variation, and I think Agora having its own dialect, not just
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:23 AM omd via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:07 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
>> wrote:
>>> Personally, I’m vaguely o
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:23 AM omd via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:07 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> wrote:
> > Personally, I’m vaguely of the opinion that we should switch to
> they/them instead of Spivak in general. Our use of
On 1/29/2020 2:21 AM, omd via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:36 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>> I found a random old mbox in a personal archive a while back, that had
>> Agoran emails from Jun - Aug 2001 (probably from a temporary filter
>> setup, everything
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 10:23, omd via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:07 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> wrote:
> > Personally, I’m vaguely of the opinion that we should switch to they/them
> > instead of Spivak in general. Our use of Spivak now feels like using
> >
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:07 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
wrote:
> Personally, I’m vaguely of the opinion that we should switch to they/them
> instead of Spivak in general. Our use of Spivak now feels like using Betamax
> in 1990—sure, it was probably better, but the other one won and i
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:36 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
wrote:
> I found a random old mbox in a personal archive a while back, that had
> Agoran emails from Jun - Aug 2001 (probably from a temporary filter
> setup, everything around that is lost). It was mostly ephemera but
> just reali
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