Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Don't want these things lying around.

2011-04-25 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: Does this simple proto do what you want while leaving ongoing promises as the default method? Proto: Nullification Clauses Amend Promise Rule by appending: If a Condition of a promise is labeled as a Nullification Condition, then its author or Horton CAN destroy the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3008 assigned to G.

2011-04-25 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: I stand up. This doesn't work any more.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3008 assigned to G.

2011-04-25 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: And if there'd been a recent FLR, I'd know that. For the record, agora.qoid.us has been kept up to date.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2979 assigned to scshunt

2011-04-24 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: While R478 does provide guidance for how multiple actions in a message are to be handled, this does not apply in this case asregistering is a side-effect A first-class person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the rules) register by publishing a

DIS: Re: BUS: gggrumble

2011-04-24 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: On second thoughts I retract my objection. Did that stop being a thing that is possible? No. Rule 2124 (Agoran Satisfaction), excerpt: A Supporter of a dependent action is an eligible entity who has publicly posted (and not withdrawn) support (syn. consent) for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: gggrumble

2011-04-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: Any player CAN, with notice, declare war on any other player by announcement. by announcement should be removed; it's already part of the dependent-action framework. Whenever a player gains any points, a number of points equal to the number of points e just gained divided by

Re: DIS: Proto: Betting

2011-04-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Walker wrote: To be valid, a Bet must [snip] c) be known only to the Better and the vote collector, Dicey. Suggest not be sent to anyone other than the Better and the vote collector, and let Collusion cover situations where a Better illegally tells someone else that e has placed /

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Newbie

2011-04-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Turiski wrote: 2125 (and 478, Fora) is one of the rules I don't really understand. If I understand correctly, the reason that my action does not succeed in my intent falls under the In particular... clause, right? Indirectly, as a side effect of tripping over the rules on timing of actions.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2991-92 judged TRUE by Walker

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: I find the precedent of CFJs two-nine-nine-one and two-two-nine-two Typo. (my number keys are broken) disturbing, and intend, with two support, to Motion to Reconsider them. There are already intents out there: 2991 - initiated by G., supported by Quazie, possibly supported

DIS: Re: BUS: Not worth the paper it's not printed on

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Walker wrote: I submit this proposal: {{ Not worth the paper it's not printed on (AI 1.7) Amend Rule 591 (Inquiry Cases) by removing: The Rulekeepor is ENCOURAGED to annotate rules to draw attention to relevant inquiry case judgements. and appending a new paragraph: A

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7016-7020

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: On 19 April 2011 20:11, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Here's the timing of relevant events. Â All times are UTC, and subject to the usual minor fuzziness involved in e-mail transmission. I change my vote on proposal 7017 to AGAINST, because it'd be violating a false

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not worth the paper it's not printed on

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Walker wrote: I've made it a switch, but this requires a RttCN to prevent bloating of the Docket. How about making it tracked by the Rulekeepor (and specifying that it's part of eir monthly report)? Then the FLR itself can count.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: the next CFJ

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: but it does not say who is publishing it. I don't think I can call a CFJ by stating A CFJ is called...) Speaking of this argument re CFJs 2999 / 3002, where does Rule 591 require explicitly saying who is publishing it? (An inquiry case CAN be initiated by any first-class person,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: the next CFJ

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: I understand your other arguments but not this one. I'm arguing that publish = announce = make a public statement. None of these are doing a secondary action by announcement but all of these would bring about a punishment for a false statement/announcement/publication. But

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not worth the paper it's not printed on

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: On 19 April 2011 20:53, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: RttCN ? rules to the contrary notwithstanding.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7016-7020

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: On 20 April 2011 01:17, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I didn't intend the statement-to-be-ratified to state that omd was continuously registered for *only* that period of time, but *at least* that period. Â If it fails, I'll re-submit with at least inserted. I'd

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: the next CFJ

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd wrote: but it does not say who is publishing it. Â I don't think I can call a CFJ by stating A CFJ is called...) Speaking of this argument re CFJs 2999 / 3002, where does Rule 591 require explicitly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7016-7020

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: CFJ 2972 already found that eir registration in early February 2011 succeeded. By the way, if G.'s CFJ is judged true, it actually did fail. What, 3003? I don't follow.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: the next CFJ

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I interpret Rule 478 as requiring that in the definition of by announcement: Where the rules define an action that CAN be performed by announcement, a person performs that action

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alright, let's do this.

2011-04-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: If possible, for each Proposal that I can vote on, I ENDORSE the last person that will have voted on it when the voting period ends unless that person is me, in which case I ENDORSE the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alright, let's do this.

2011-04-18 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: I'd hesitate to throw out any of b-d. This fails, even without further explanation, could be (and probably has been) used as a courtesy when one is legally required to attempt an action which is blocked by something else. This interpretation is plausible, but I still think it's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Something I meant to ask a few days ago

2011-04-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: Do arguments presented to discussion have to be included in a cfj's arguments? The rules about arguments are limited to: * 2205, limited to - initiator when initiating - (criminal cases) defendant during pre-trial - (equity cases) parties during pre-trial (I

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6996-7011

2011-04-15 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: I Get Up on My Soapbox and say that points as an economy system is Absurd, and that we should all wait for a Derivative of ais523's Economic Proposal. 7000 3.0 omd Souls AGAIN I'm interpreting this as a reasonably clear typo of AGAINST, especially in light of

DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7013-7015

2011-04-15 Thread Ed Murphy
7013 3 omd Ordinary Decisions 7014 3 omd United States of Agora 7015 2 G., ais523Promises Bah, time to frob the distribution-parsing script again.

DIS: Re: BUS: Promotor

2011-04-15 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: I register. Remember to sit up, in case ratification did paper over your previous registration.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Timers

2011-04-06 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 11-04-05 11:29 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Proposal: Timers (AI = 2) I'm all for ridiculously wordy legal text, but this is utterly ridiculous. The goals (to make sentences cumulative, and to make time served before an appeal count) are non-trivial (and the latter is still iffy

DIS: Re: BUS: Criminals don't get opinions

2011-04-06 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: I change my vote to/cast my vote for AGAINST any ongoing Agoran Decisions to adopt proposals adopted by Yally. ^^ I don't believe there are any such proposals.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Well, it meets the requirements...

2011-04-05 Thread Ed Murphy
Tanner Swett wrote: On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:15 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd wrote: The AFO registers. CoE: First, it terminated when contracts were repealed (the arguments in CFJ 2761 apply equally

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2011-04-05 Thread Ed Murphy
Tanner Swett wrote: I stand. You can't do that directly, you have to sit and then wait for the next rotation.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2011-04-05 Thread Ed Murphy
Tanner Swett wrote: Come to think of it, I sit, and set my judicial rank to 3. Judicial ranks no longer exist (they were repealed along with interest indices).

DIS: Re: BUS: Decision Decisions

2011-04-05 Thread Ed Murphy
Walker wrote: Amend Rule 955 (Determining the Will of Agora) by inserting the following after paragraph (b) and replacing the second (c) with (d). (c) If other rules attempt to define a method for determining the outcome of a particular type of decision, then this

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6978-6995

2011-04-05 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: NUM AI SUBMITTER TITLE 6978 2.0 Murphy The Pear-Shaped Office 6979 1.0 Tanner L. Swett Killing Dragons Is Everything Around Here 6980 3.0 Murphy Timey wimey 6981

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6978-6995

2011-04-05 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I don't think they would be much more coherent if that hadn't happened. I agree, although I'm working on a fix. For the record, I'd be interested in further discussion of the Dragons concept; there were

DIS: Re: BUS: Application for citizenship

2011-04-01 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 11-04-01 06:35 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Wooble wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I intend (with the consent of Roujo and Wooble) to cause MRW and Associates to intend (with Agoran Consent) to register. I consent. Roujo having

DIS: Re: BUS: Intentions and NoVs

2011-03-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Walker wrote: I publish a NoV accusing Wooble of breaking Rule 2158, a power 2 Rule, by failing to judge case 2979 within the time limit. I publish a NoV accusing omd of breaking Rule 2158, a power 2 Rule, by failing to judge case 2980 within the time limit. I call for judgement on both of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Littler Dutch Boy

2011-03-21 Thread Ed Murphy
This proposal closes a number of loopholes pointed out during omd's recent dictatorship (since repealed). Here's a version demonstrating both things you asked about: http://agora.qoid.us/rule/2324#587640 Walker wrote: On 20 March 2011 02:23, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 1

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Registrar Election

2011-03-20 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: Causing the President to perform an ILLEGAL action is the Class-6 crime of Misleading the Leader. Personally, I was waiting for an Agoran Consent failure to publish a report so that we could see if all Agorans who didn't support could be found guilty of this. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Settlers of Agora

2011-03-20 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: It would be cool if the map were adjusted to conform to the Map of Agora. I did try to make it roughly the same shape. If your ASCII-art-fu is superior to mine, then by all means take a crack at it.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2981 judged TRUE by Murphy

2011-03-20 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011, Ed Murphy wrote: Judge Murphy's Arguments: I interpret modify as limited to changing an existing value, not initializing an aspect that previously lacked a value. Isn't this in direct conflict with a judgement about a recent scam failure, where modify

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6972-6977

2011-03-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Roujo wrote: I vote FOR all of these a number of times equal to my voting limit. Question: If I just say I vote FOR all of these, do I implicitely do it a number of times equal to my voting limit? Yes, Rule 2280 still exists. Other question: Is there any reason for me not to vote up to my

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Registrar Election

2011-03-19 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 11-03-19 02:57 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: The Speaker CAN, by announcement, cause the President to take an action that is not otherwise IMPOSSIBLE. If there is no Speaker, then the player who was most recently Speaker (if any) CAN, by announcement

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6963 - 6971

2011-03-19 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 11-03-19 10:16 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: - if the Justiciar has published an opinion on the case clearly marked as the Justiciar's Opinion and indicating a valid judgement, and that judgement is the same as one given by at least one panel member

DIS: Proto-cleanup

2011-03-12 Thread Ed Murphy
If agreements-as-persons doesn't work, then R2205(3) should be removed (and (4) renumbered). If it does, then we may want to revive some form of the equity case; to prevent the delays that plagued the old version, I suggest assigning them to a panel of all players who are active as of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: blah

2011-03-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I deputize for the Assessor to publish the following: Disclaimer: I have no idea whatsoever if the office of the Assessor is actually vacant; this may have failed. I'm pretty sure it isn't. In the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [assumed promotor] distribution of proposals 6960-6961

2011-02-16 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: ehird wrote: (this is bad and you should feel bad for proposing this)?) I transfer a proposal from myself to ehird. I transfer a /prop/ from myself to ehird. I transfer a kilogram of coffee grounds from the Lost and Found Department to myself. (Disclaimer: maybe not.)

DIS: On rules as assets

2011-02-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto: Each week, randomly pick a rule and auction the ability to make a one-word change to it with notice.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well then...

2011-02-14 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 11-02-14 01:37 PM, omd wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Create a power-2 Rule entitled The President: The President is a second-class person and a player. A first-class player CAN cause the President to take an

DIS: Assessor catchup

2011-02-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Here are my informal notes for getting Assessor caught up. Please let me know if you spot any problems. * Per CFJ 2941, my change to the List of Succession near the end of the holiday failed for lack of ergs, so Proposal 6943 passed. * Yally was already Pariah as of January 10, so eir

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6928 - 6940

2011-02-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Per omd's request: I wrote: Voting results for Proposals 6928 - 6940: [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the following proposals. For each decision, the options available to Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!).] x6928 O0 3.0 omd

Re: DIS: Assessor catchup

2011-02-14 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: * G.'s second scam attempt - made all other players inactive deregistered - submitted a Proposal dubbed 6959 - assumed Promotor - distributed Proposal 6959 - resigned Promotor - made players active and offices postulated again

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6928 - 6940

2011-02-14 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Per omd's request: NttPF Intentional, as (a) self-ratification may have mooted it anyway and (b) the rest of the information could do with spot-checking.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements and capacitors, CFJs 2962-64

2011-02-06 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: I don't remember the judgement as well as I should have, I guess... in that case, doesn't the argument hinge on something as inconsequential Not inconsequential if it, well, has substantive consequences: as the format in which states are saved in the gamestate? ais523 seems to

DIS: Proto: Rewiring the list

2011-02-05 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Rewiring the list (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2282 (Energy) to read: Ergs are a fixed currency. Ownership of Ergs is restricted to players. At the beginning of each month, the following things happen, in this order: (a) All ergs and capacitors

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements and capacitors, CFJs 2962-64

2011-02-05 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I interpret gamestate as including history (at least relevant parts e.g. whether someone deregistered recently, and once that's included, I see no good reason not to include all of it), and ratification

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements and capacitors, CFJs 2962-64

2011-02-05 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: This point has generated quite a bit of discussion lately, not to mention that current precedent is that it's false; I think just stating it as true without any justification is unreasonable. Which precedent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hello

2011-02-04 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: omd wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd wrote: Guess what I intend to do at this time? Obligatory CFJ, disqualifying omd: Â omd is a player. CFJ: If I registered in the quoted message, I would currently be District. Arguments

DIS: Re: [CotC] Docket

2011-02-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Clerk's Docket Date of this report: Fri 4 Feb 11 Recent events Also, 2929 was remanded; I'll process that after the next round of assignments.

DIS: Rotation

2011-02-04 Thread Ed Murphy
There are ten inquiry cases and two criminal cases still waiting to be assigned. I'm going to wait a while before the next round of assignments, in case anyone wants to sit up first. (There are also appeals of three of the cases numbered -1, which are still waiting for the Justiciar to assign

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Rotation

2011-02-04 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: I sit up. We're still not sure you're registered.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hello

2011-02-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Gratuitous: Rule 2226 defines judicial rank as a player switch. Rule 2162 says No other entity possesses an instance of that switch. If you deregistered, then you became an other entity and thus ceased

DIS: Re: BUS: Hello

2011-02-02 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd wrote: Guess what I intend to do at this time? Obligatory CFJ, disqualifying omd: Â omd is a player. CFJ: If I registered in the quoted message, I would currently be District. Arguments: District

Re: DIS: Past-Proto-Contract: Router (for discussion only)

2011-01-28 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: AGORAN ANNOUNCEMENT Type: Performance Text: { A public message is a message sent via an Agoran public forum, or sent to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be public. A person publishes or announces something by sending a

DIS: Re: BUS: scorched earth escalation

2011-01-23 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: [I plan to resolve it Assessor in ~four days. You missed changing this bit. Of course, you could just as well cause R2324 to make yourself Assessor when the time comes.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: scorched earth escalation

2011-01-23 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: There's no need to involve Pariah here at all, players can create Rests in eir own possession by announcement. And this scam relies on being able to cause players to perform arbitrary actions at power 1 (making me assume Pariah, an action, is different from causing me to become

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: scorched earth escalation

2011-01-23 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: Since you became inactive, I can Assume the office and do it. Looking back I realize I have to do so because Fourth Movement requires G. to announce the result. Should be okay, you already resigned Promotor (possible loophole in R1450, you can act as Promotor and Assessor for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-22 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Logic: 1. Â An Instrument explicitly CANNOT make changes power (R2140); 2. Â Exceptio probat regulam; therefore an instrument generally CAN make changes = power. [Note: I admit it's arguable and

DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning

2011-01-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 14:23, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Yally wrote: I pay fees to destroy 3 ergs in my possession. NoV: Yally violated the Power=1 Rule 2215 (Truthiness) by claiming that eir attempted erg destruction was a fee-based action. Intended NoV

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning

2011-01-18 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I pay fees to destroy 3 ergs in my possession. There's a good argument that all announcement actions are fee-based (zero is non-negative), so this might be valid even if you didn't have enough ergs

DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-18 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I submit the following AI-1 proposal Out with the Dictator 1: {{ Repeal Rule 2324. [This is ineffective if the purported escalations worked.] }} I submit the following AI-3 proposal Out with the Dictator 3: {{ Repeal Rule 2324. }}

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6944 - 6947

2011-01-17 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:    Where permitted    by other rules, a proposal that takes effect generally can, as    part of its effect, apply the changes that it specifies. This is a no-op (except possibly in the case

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6944 - 6947

2011-01-17 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: scshunt is arguing that there is no existing authorization in which case your proposed text would not authorize it, since it's not permitted by other rules. Permission can be implicit, in the sense

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2011-01-16 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: I increase the II of CFJ 2951 to 1 and judge it TRUE. The caller's The II was already 3, so this increase was ineffective, and your later capacitor award may also have been ineffective.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6944 - 6947

2011-01-16 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 11-01-16 05:54 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Proposal 6947 (Ordinary, AI=1.0, Interest=1) by Wooble New Forum Flip the Publicity of the mailing list with the address agora-pub...@googlegroups.com

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6944 - 6947

2011-01-16 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 11-01-16 10:09 PM, omd wrote: note that although this publicity flipping somewhat uniquely is regulated by c), just about any proposal that did anything nontrivial besides rule changes would have failed under your interpretation due to e) Yes. I think it's reasonable to

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6944 - 6947

2011-01-16 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: It's worth noting that the current wording was specifically written to avoid the issue of Rule 106 accidentally authorizing the proposal to perform higher-power changes. I think the proto would preserve that, as it deliberately parallels Rule 105's Where permitted by other

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Office stabilization + 1 election

2011-01-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Wooble wrote: In the election for CotC, there is only one valid option, Murphy. The office becomes Postulated if for some reason it wasn't (e claimed to assume it a while ago, but I can't find any

DIS: Minus World

2011-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
I remind the Justiciar (whoever it is at this point) that three of the CFJs numbered -1 are waiting for em to assign an appeal panel.

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Office stabilization + 1 election

2011-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: In the election for CotC, there is only one valid option, Murphy. The office becomes Postulated if for some reason it wasn't (e claimed to assume it a while ago, but I can't find any message purporting to remove em from it or make is Assumed, so this probably does nothing.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6944-6947

2011-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: One of the great things of being deregistered is not being an eligible voter, but I'll say that I'm strongly AGAINST. Post-end-of-voting-period voting limit manipulations are fun. Oh, sure, try being Assessor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6944-6947

2011-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Since the current policy adds unnecessary complexity, amend Rule 2280 (Implicit Votes) by replacing a number of ballots equal to eir voting limit on that decision with one hundred ballots. Oh, right

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323

2011-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 22:19, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: NoV: Yally violated R2143, commiting the Class-6 Crime of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2943-44 assigned to Roujo

2011-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Roujo wrote: I recuse myself from CFJs 2943 and 2944, since I'm not sure I followed all that scam and wouldn't know where to start - let alone find what the verdict should be. As the case seems quite complex, I let the II of both those CFJs increase to 1. The II didn't auto-increase due to

DIS: Re: BUS: Non-players are people too

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Roujo wrote: I submit the following Proposal (with Adoption Index 1.0 and Interest Index 1), titled A person by any other name is still a person: I recommend removing this from the pool and re-submitting it, this time specifying Bucky as co-author.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6944-6947

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: If possible, I rubberstamp proposals 6944, 6945, and 6946 and veto proposal 6947. If possible, I rubberstamp all 4 of them. This is possible iff ais523's recent Bestowing Favors was effective (it

DIS: Unofficial List of Succession quantum tracking

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
2 Jan 22:45:57 5 ais523 10 ehird 7 Roujo 5 scshunt 5 Murphy (or Sgeo if Murphy's swap failed) 0 Sgeo(or Murphy) 3 Yally 2 others 3 Jan 07:37:06 Tanner crowned

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6944-6947

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
6944 O 0 1.0 omd There are FIVE CFJs! FOR 6945 O 0 3.0 Murphy Fix Urgency, Part Deux FOR 6946 O 0 3.0 Murphy Fix Urgency FOR 6947 O 1 1.0 Wooble New Forum AGAINST

DIS: I can haz judges?

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
There are about two dozen cases waiting to be assigned, and currently only three standing/sitting judges. Anyone want to sit up before I start assigning these?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Non-players are people too

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Roujo wrote: Why Bucky? Was that his address? =P Yeah, I think so.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: I can haz judges?

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Roujo wrote: I stand if I'm not already standing, which I think I am. =P You can't stand directly. You can sit, then you'll be flipped to standing when no more currently-standing judges can be assigned.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: I can haz judges?

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Roujo wrote: Aren't I already standing? One of my first game actions was to stand, and I haven't been assigned a case since. I thought it was only because I'm considered poorly qualified to judge anything since I'm a new player. =P No, one of your first /attempted/ game actions was to stand.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: I can haz judges?

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Roujo wrote: Okay then, I'll sit (in another message ttPF), but why wasn't it effective? I don't recall someone telling me it wasn't - mind you, my memory isn't all that good right now. =P 1) Rule 1871 requires the Clerk of the Courts to track postures. 2) Due to #2, Rule 2125 (e) prevents

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6944-6947

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal: Moving targets are hard (AI = 2, II = 1, distributable via fee) Amend Rule 2156 (Voting on Ordinary Decisions) by replacing resolution with end of the voting period. against; gives

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6944-6947

2011-01-09 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Amend Rule 2156 (Voting on Ordinary Decisions) by replacing resolution with end of the voting period. No, it takes away precisely that power. Â The advantage to the Assessor is that it eases bookkeeping (once

DIS: Re: BUS: get out of my email!

2011-01-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: Proposal: No right to snoop, AI-3, co-author ais523: {{ In R101, replace fora with Public and Discussion fora. }} Needs to update Rule 478 too.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Idling

2011-01-05 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: On 5 January 2011 02:05, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: I object to the intent to make me inactive. Are you ever going to take a game action that isn't objecting to being made inactive? I think e objected to at least one of omd's without-8-objections actions related to eir

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2926a assigned to G., Murphy, Yally

2011-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: AFFIRM. I think both the judge's opinion and the gratuitous arguments provided by ais523 in response to the defendant's appeal are generally reasonable. Gratuitous: I don't (especially since some of

DIS: Re: BUS: Trolling

2011-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: I hereby submit a Call for Judgement to the Clerk of the Courts, with the following text: coppro committed the Class C Crime of Misrepresentation (violating Rule 1497) by presenting as correct the information that e reordered the List of Succession, which is incorrect because the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2926a assigned to G., Murphy, Yally

2011-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Gratuitous: As the third panelist in 2926a, I can no longer fulfill my Rule 911 duty to opine without violating my Rule 2157 duty to prevent the panel from violating Rule 1727. *1769? But judgement need

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] I needed this one to be in a separate distribution, you'll see why later

2011-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Roujo wrote: If I can, I vote FOR * my voting limit on both of those, too. You can't, you didn't register until after the voting periods started.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposal 6943

2011-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: 6943 ehird2F Incidentally, I think FOR x 70 billion works fine, as it doesn't require significantly more bookkeeping than (say) FOR x 70.

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