Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 17:09 -0400, omd wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Fool wrote: > > Soul personal manager. > > From your post I can't tell whether you realized this, but it's a pun; > I am analogizing transferring the most important benefit of being a >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3406 assigned to Fool

On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 17:01 -0400, omd wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Fool wrote: > > Though not before snarking about a process that supposedly gives all > > interested players reasonably equal opportunities to judge. > > If you'd like a demonstration of

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 03:02 -0400, omd wrote: > Proposal: Soul or Power (AI=3) > > Create a new Power-3 Rule titled "Soul Proprietor": > > Soul proprietor Soul personal manager. ... ... ... Ah, sorry, I thought we had a clip. We'll have to do it old school: "Shouldn't that be S

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3406 assigned to Fool

On Fri, 2014-05-23 at 23:37 -0400, omd wrote: > I recuse LiberonScien from CFJ 3406 and assign Fool. > Eh?? Well I don't see a way to recuse myself or for the Arbitor to recuse me, so I SHALL assign a judgement to the case within a week of assignment. Though not before snarking abou

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

On Mon, 2014-05-12 at 18:34 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: > Proposal: You deserve it (AI=1.5) > {{{ > Award to Fool the Patent Title "Sociopath". > }}} If elected, I promise more uncertainty, chaos, destruction, slaughter, blood Blood BLOOD ... erm. I mean, I accept this

DIS: Treating Agora Right Good Forever

On Mon, 2014-05-12 at 17:59 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: > x7642 Fool3 On breaking the game Very well then, I call upon Agora to clarify the meaning of the last sentence of R101. The rest of R101 has changed considerably from what it was last year (when I was accused of cheating

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

On Mon, 2014-05-12 at 00:16 -0400, omd wrote: > [Apparently, 9 months ago or so when a proposal of mine passed that > removed self-ratification of the Registrar's report on the grounds > that it was "covered by ratification of switches", nobody bothered to > inform me that there was no such thing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Birthday Blitz Nomic

On Thu, 2014-05-08 at 17:11 +0100, Charles Walker wrote: > On 6 May 2014 23:38, "Aaron Goldfein" wrote: > > > > Are people interested in doing another blitz nomic around the time > of > > Agora's birthday? > > > > If so, does anyone have any ideas for how we would construct the > > initial ruleset

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7641-7642

On Wed, 2014-05-07 at 11:54 -0400, Henri Bouchard wrote: > Why are you on hold? > > -Henri A combination of sulking and slacking. If R101 is amended I'll stop sulking. No promises about slacking though... -Dan

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7641-7642

On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 03:07 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: > 7642 Fool3 On breaking the game > I'd vote FOR this, but I'm still (unofficially) on hold. -Dan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I register

quot;what > the hell is the gamestate at the moment" kind, for what it's worth. =P > > ~ Roujo So ... you mean the kind where everyone confuses the new guy, as opposed to the kind where the new guy confuses everyone? ;-) --Fool, who is still relatively new, especially if you discount all the months Agora's been sleeping.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: 'Cause I really really really really hate

On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 13:29 -0400, omd wrote: > Proposal: 'Cause I really really really really hate (AI=3) > > Create a new Power-1 Rule, titled "Cards": [...] > When a Green Card is issued, the Referee gains two points, and the target > player is > ENCOURAGED to travel to the United States. :-)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Revision

On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 10:06 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2014, Dan Mehkeri wrote: > > Not quite so much synth on this one, but more red cards. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OWN1d1gwvc > > Our next punishment system should be yellow and red cards. I change my posture to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The time has come.

On 2014-03-24 12:27 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:21 AM, Fool wrote: I intend, with Agoran consent, to replace the text of the Operations Manual with the lyrics to _Beds are Burning_ by Midnight Oil. (BTW failure to act in accordance with the operations manual is considered

DIS: Re: BUS: The time has come.

On 2014-03-23 1:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Fool wrote: I intend, with Agoran consent, to replace the text of the Operations Manual with the lyrics to _Beds are Burning_ by Midnight Oil. (BTW failure to act in accordance with the operations manual is considered a breach of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Game Report

On 2014-03-23 1:14 AM, Alex Smith wrote: (Another fun fact: The gamestate is also disputed; I called a CFJ almost two weeks ago 6 months here... :-)

DIS: Re: BUS: slow play still

On 2014-03-10 2:44 PM, Alex Smith wrote: For everything else, what I mostly care about is wins, mostly because I enjoy the mental challenge of aiming for things that the rest of Agora have decided are hard to reach (and may occasionally actively try to prevent me reaching). Bah. I've yet to wit

DIS: Re: BUS: Are the lists down?

On 2014-03-10 3:30 AM, Alex Smith wrote: I haven't received any Agoran mail for over a week, and there should at least have been officer reports by now. Are the lists down, or has everyone fallen silent? Ninja nomic. Shhh.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

On 2014-02-21 11:59 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: (a) whether my ruling was based on the meaning of "win the game", or was based on R2419 having insufficient. The primary basis of my judgment is that, in the Agoran tradition, "win the game" does not imply ending Agora. I considered whether R2419 had

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Regarding r2419

On 2014-02-16 1:06 PM, Nicholas Evans wrote: Sorry, the statement isn't past-perfctive but rather present-perfective. My statement still holds as perfectives refer to some event as a whole, not (necessarily) to any current state. It might have been the past impossible never tense.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Who's a good girl, then?

On 2014-02-14 7:04 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 15:59 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: I transfer an 'i' to Lilly. (This is actually non-controversial; operator ownership isn't limited to players or persons). Isn't it slightly controversial, in that there's currently no proof generall

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (Mis)Applying My Linguistics Skills

On 2014-02-14 6:43 PM, Nicholas Evans wrote: So unless Lilly is hooked up to a machine that can then rephrase and recursively refer to Lilly's thoughts, these new restrictions should be sufficient. Otherwise, I see no reason that a dog-machine combination shouldn't be allowed to play, though I do

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

On 2014-02-16 9:44 PM, omd wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Fool wrote: I'd guess that platonically, nothing of the sort happened. The players pragmatically restarted the game. It is absurd to interpret a clause of the form "after a win, X gamestate is reset" in a wa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

On 2014-02-13 12:00 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014, Alex Smith wrote: I think there's another subsidiary point here, which is "how much power does it take to end the game / series of games, anyway"? It feels like the answer should be "3", but I can't see an immediate reason why it'

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

On 2014-02-13 8:15 PM, omd wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: (A) Does R2419, on its own, attempt to end the game? this whole thing is silly: if Agora would have ended a few days ago, then it ended a long time ago. Likely did... Even if Rule 2419 caused "the game"

DIS: Re: BUS: If game ends

On 2014-02-08 4:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Gratuitous argument for the game ending-case: If the Judge finds that the game has ended, I request that the judge further opine on exactly what "ending the game" means, if only to bring us closure. A (non-exhaustive) list of possibilities: 1. The g

Re: DIS: All hail Rule 104

On 2014-02-08 4:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sat, 8 Feb 2014, Alex Smith wrote: On Sat, 2014-02-08 at 10:58 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sat, 8 Feb 2014, omd wrote: The same sentence that grants wins proceeds to state that a particular aspect of the gamestate (scores) is reset. I'd say that

Re: DIS: All hail Rule 104

On 2014-02-07 7:13 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: It's actually settled law (supported by factual evidence) that the First Game ended, a new Speaker took the position, and Agora continued. (it's documented in at least one CFJ; no database up right now so don't remember which one). -G. Yes, previous tr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Avast (second try)

On 2014-02-06 5:03 PM, Geoff Schmidt wrote: Arguments: When we survey what are commonly called "games", we find many games that end upon a win, but also many games that do not end upon a win. An example of the latter is America's National Football League. Football definitely ends when one team

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Avast (second try)

On 2014-02-06 10:15 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: Arguments: There is nothing in the rules saying that Agora has ended. Past precedent, custom, and the good of the game all point to Agora not having ended. How can you possibly invoke "good of the game" here? -Dan, for Evil Queen Davy.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Avast (second try)

On 2014-02-05 10:41 PM, Geoff Schmidt wrote: Also, even though I suck at it, I now think this is the finest game on the Internet. Second finest, surely. -Dan

DIS: Vacuous quantifier question

This sort of thing comes up in a few places, where a rule talks about "all X" and then you run into a situation where there aren't any X. There's a strictly logical reading of vacuous quantifiers, by which, for example, I ate all the vegetables on my plate, because there were none on my plat

DIS: Re: BUS: To those seeking justice

On 2014-01-15 10:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: It MAY screw up Fool's right to have eir criminal judgement reconsidered, although that can be handled with a new case: since we have no criminal system, it can be a TRUE/FALSE on "Fool was guilty on X", this is effectively a formal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for 7615-7617

On 2014-01-15 10:30 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, omd wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: *7616 G. 2 O Mostly Simple Judging v2.3 *7617 G. 2 O A Complex Game 2 Wow. Significant rules changes and a quite high voter count. I

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Citizenship, activity, fora

On 2014-01-12 1:39 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Player Inactive since -- -- aperfectring 13 Dec 13 Roujo 9 Jan 14 all others 20 Oct 13 I have been inactive since Sept 5. http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-busi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: an actual scoring game

On 2014-01-02 11:35 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Fool mailto:fool1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Upon a true announcement that one or more specified players have achieved Numberwang You have just redeemed yourself, sir.

DIS: Reset puzzle

On 2014-01-02 8:43 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 20:37 -0500, Fool wrote: Hmmm... I'm pretty sure he meant to repeal all the rules. We can go ahead and figure this out without knowing what the end state is, no? We should be able to come up with a generic way to replace the ru

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Reset?

On 2014-01-02 5:44 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: With a change of this magnitude, maybe you could post a proto- ruleset of where you hope things would end up (including what rules remain), then we could see if it makes logical sense as a whole, and figure out the technicality of getting there - perhaps

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: an actual scoring game

On 2014-01-02 1:57 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Amend Rule 2419 (Winning) to read: [...] Quadrant is a player switch tracked by the Herald, with values Alpha (default), Beta, Gamma, and Delta, synonymous to quadrants 1-4 in the complex plane, respectively. A player CAN chang

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Initiation of the Great Reset of Agora Nomic

On 2014-01-01 5:25 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Wed, 2014-01-01 at 14:07 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: Example: MAIN TEXT When interpreting and applying the rules, the text of the rules, takes precedence. Where the text is silent, inconsistent, or unclear, it is to be au

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ok, you're right, time to move on...

On 2013-12-29 7:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sun, 29 Dec 2013, Fool wrote: On 2013-12-29 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: You're right, I concede the point and withdraw the suggestion. Stress- testing the game against jerks[*] isn't really that much fun. -G. [*] Not implying that yo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ok, you're right, time to move on...

On 2013-12-29 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: You're right, I concede the point and withdraw the suggestion. Stress- testing the game against jerks[*] isn't really that much fun. -G. [*] Not implying that you're being a jerk just by talking about it so far... I've been a good boy, you know. I v

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ok, you're right, time to move on...

On 2013-12-29 4:24 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I'm seriously tempted to take you up on your challenge and assume key offices... but no, that would be wrong... then again, would I really make things worse than they already are??? Why not? If you step out of line in an Office we can Exile you properl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ok, you're right, time to move on...

On 2013-12-29 3:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Definitions and prescriptions in the rules are only to be applied using direct, forward reasoning; in particular, an absurdity that can be concluded from the assumption that a statement about rule- defined concepts is false does

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3397 assigned to woggle

On 2013-10-22 1:41 PM, Thelas Staloras wrote: == CFJ 3397 == proposal 7568 passed. Caller: Fool Judge

DIS: Re: One or two players needed for another nomic (207 kittens)

On 2013-10-15 8:31 PM, Fool wrote: The game is called 207 Kittens, and the website is http://sites.google.com/site/diplocat24/diplonomic/game1 The open positions are for Imagi Nation, and possibly Hubliania. If the current Hublianian player returns in a timely fashion he can still keep his spot

DIS: One or two players needed for another nomic (207 kittens)

In May, after the conclusion of Omnomnomic, I started a round of Diplonomic, a sort of Diplomacy-Nomic hybrid. It is not generally open to new players. However one player has to leave for real-life reasons, and simultaneously a second player has silently vanished. The game does not have any bui

Re: DIS: The Long Song (Agora Version)

On 2013-10-11 12:48 AM, Schrodinger's Cat wrote: Rest now, my agora nomic, Rest now, play time has finished, Live, Wake up, Wake up, And let the players come and play the game, Wake up, Wake up, -- Schrodinger's Cat This nomic needs more cowbell. -Dan (still on hold).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] Party Rules

I see nothing in the Gerontocracy rule that prevents me from successfully forming a party or otherwise carrying on ordinary Agoran gameplay, although I see how a group of five Elders could choose to step in and make it not happen. Right. Care to explain what I'm overlooking? You have to giv

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Administrative Affairs

On 26/08/2013 4:45 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: CoE: omd is Speaker. He ratified himself out of the speakership with proposal 7568. :)

DIS: Apologies

I apologise to the UNDEAD for living. -Dan On 14/08/2013 12:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit (to the tree) the following persistent, revocable, promise, 'Zombie G. ': Text: I act as specified by the casher in the cashing message. Cashing conditions: the casher is Foo

Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

On 13/08/2013 2:48 PM, Craig Daniel wrote: Less, even, since outside of showing off it's considered polite to give the one chess game you're in all your attention until it ends. Though I think the difference here is between live games and play-by-mail, not between nomic and chess :)

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3381 assigned to ais523

On 12/08/2013 11:44 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Fool wrote in response to Craig Daniel: I also notice that nothing stops anyone else from repeating what you just did and also winning. I'm sure a lot of people see this. And yet nobody's doing it. It sort of looks l

DIS: Re: BUS: a criminal case

On 12/08/2013 3:39 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I hereby initiate a criminal CFJ alleging that omd, the Registrar, did violate Rule 1789 by failing to public my Cantus Cygneus in a timely fashion after receiving it. I deregister. Guess we're not getting that Ruleset from you after all, eh? That'

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 04/08/2013 10:27 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: (Professor Quirrell had remarked over their lunch that Harry really needed to conceal his state of mind better than putting on a blank face when someone discussed a dangerous topic, and had explained about one-level deceptions, two-level deceptions, and so

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3381 assigned to ais523

uture. I'm mildly surprised Fool didn't think of this first, but e was too focused on the dictatorship interpretation.) I was aware of it. (I cashed the "!!!" promise before my stunt, referring to basically this.) I also notice that nothing stops anyone else from repeating what

DIS: Re: BUS: (corrected) Judgement: CFJ 3383

Of course, defining "bad form" in nomic is a minefield, and a blanket ban would be a bad idea when part of the game is exploring these limits. But what about a rule prohibiting clear, unambiguous and severe breaches of good form, with clear malign intent? Or a rule with specific prohibitions (e.

DIS: And another thing

Proto: the vote collector can end a vote early with support of all (other) eligible voters; by announcement if e is the only eligible voter or if there are none. Don't have time to figure out how to write this one out just now. Do feel free to submit as your own. Cheers -Dan

DIS: Re: OFF: publicity

On 05/08/2013 2:53 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: This is a Public message. Having received no objections, I flip the Publicity of agora-busin...@agoranomic.org and agora-offic...@agoranomic.org to Public. I intend to depu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 04/08/2013 12:39 PM, omd wrote: But to reiterate one last time, after which I will verily shut up and wait for a judge to be assigned: Agora necessarily must proceed according to consensus; we have a formal procedure to arrive at a consensus, which is reasonably fair; One more CoE: As we see

Re: DIS: Future of Agora

If we're attempting a single-player recovery, at this point the best option would be to find the player with the least ambiguous registration over the last several years, and check that it worked with every version of the registration rules that had even been proposed in that sequence of time. W

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

As the purported only player of Agora, presumably it is incumbent on YOU to fix things. Yes, that's fair. If you're asking for our help, let us play the game again. Let you re-register before closing the hole? I think not. :) Well, if you want me to do it without your input, that's fine.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 04/08/2013 10:19 PM, omd wrote: On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Fool wrote: No, the original action itself already included two clauses, "I can dergeister everyone" and "no other person can register". So if the original action succeeded at all, then the counter-sc

Re: DIS: Future of Agora

On 04/08/2013 4:51 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Sat, 2013-08-03 at 19:50 -0400, Fool wrote: If I pull a Lindrum, then Agora is formally continuous, in that the game played one day is the legal continuation of the game played on the previous day. If you start another game, there's a disconti

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 04/08/2013 4:05 PM, com...@gmail.com wrote: This danger doesn't even sound plausible to me. Everyone's confused and goes home, and never comes back? I doubt it. I won't have a keyboard for a few hours but in short, Do you have a plan to return your version of Agora to normalcy reasonably

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 04/08/2013 12:45 PM, omd wrote: On Sunday, August 4, 2013, Fool wrote: c) Sean, omd, et al. should've known that I'd know it. Come on guys, you can do better than that! :) Don't look at me. I don't consider the dictatorship interpretation viable enough to

Re: DIS: Future of Agora

On 04/08/2013 8:55 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Sun, 4 Aug 2013, Fool wrote: Ratification is a legal fiction. Lacanist obscurity implies [...] OK, please tell which Markov chain generator did you use for this. The PoMo generator at elsewhere.org, with some editing to stuff Agora terms in

Re: DIS: Future of Agora

On 04/08/2013 4:43 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I've never seen a better case for Deconstructionism [...] I'll go recruit some Postmodern Literary Critics to play. Just watch me. :P. Ratification is a legal fiction. Lacanist obscurity implies that the goal of the participant is deconstruction, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 03/08/2013 8:32 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: Indeed, there is a proposal now to fix that issue (and, for some reason, despite having first proposed fixing ratification, you've yet to distribute the proposal). Duuuhh okay 8*b Translation for others: a) It's a trap [1]. b) I'm pretty sure Sean know

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 03/08/2013 9:47 PM, com...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem is that you have actively worked to prevent the controversy from being settled, e.g. by attempting to judge the case yourself. I've done nothing to prevent the controversy from being settled. You can surrender anytime!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 03/08/2013 8:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: For a scam a couple years back where I deregistered everyone, I did so, fixed the problem, gave myself and helpers patent titles, and rebooted back to where we were in a couple messages. If it had been judged a failure, the only thing that would have to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 03/08/2013 8:17 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Fool wrote: Exactly, I tend to agree with Sean. I'm not sure there is even a normal play of Agora at this point, independent of my scam. Oh, I didn't mean I want you to do that, inasmuch as it give us a better

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 03/08/2013 8:05 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:03 PM, woggle wrote: You can purportedly keep your dictatorship without purportedly preventing the normal play of Agora from continuing. - woggle Or you can sit around and let us not do anything in -game, letting the rest of us

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 03/08/2013 7:34 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 4 August 2013 00:22, Fool wrote: This danger doesn't even sound plausible to me. Everyone's confused and goes home, and never comes back? I doubt it. More likely is that everyone gets sick of you acquiring and maintaining your dicta

DIS: Future of Agora

(Lindrum, for eir part, made clear from the start that e intended to continue Nomic World as a nomic [albeit in a different form], and did not attempt to kick out any players.) Now this is interesting. So, let's see: * Lindrum continued Nomic World as a nomic, albeit "in a different from" * Y

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 02/08/2013 11:49 PM, omd wrote: Although it appears to be more difficult than we had previously assumed to formalize the logic of the rules, there are several possibilities that have been posited in the last few days - some do not work, but some do. I must have missed it then Admittedly,

Re: DIS: Ambassador's Survey - Your Chance To Win Great Prizes!

On 03/08/2013 6:25 PM, James Beirne wrote: My favourite things to do in nomics are a) breaking things Wait, wait, don't I know you from somewhere else? :)

Re: DIS: Ambassador's Survey - Your Chance To Win Great Prizes!

On 03/08/2013 4:25 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: Not sure. Agora's pretty complicated. Currently, it seems like most of our appeal is in "pure nomic fun": memorizing mechanics, figuring out how they apply in various situations (and how to convince others you're right), and figuring out how to make th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 03/08/2013 1:42 PM, omd wrote: On Saturday, August 3, 2013, Kerim Aydin wrote: sorry I was referring to the BlogNomic invasion actually :) Wow, this is funny. Maybe I should have given you the recruitment reward after all!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 02/08/2013 10:06 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Fri, 2013-08-02 at 21:54 -0400, Max Schutz wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 3 August 2013 02:32, Alex Smith wrote: I intend, with 2 support, to appeal this judgement using the mechanism in rule 911. I support. if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in R. v. everyone but Fool, CFJ 3381

On 02/08/2013 9:42 PM, Max Schutz wrote: I appeal my own case on the grounds that I HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON despite me being an elder What's going on is that it turns out NOBODY HAS ANY FREAKING IDEA WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. You thought you had a "ratification" system goi

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Emergency Distribution of Proposal 7568

On 01/08/2013 5:03 PM, James Beirne wrote: FOR*1 I think you need to retract your previous vote first.

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

On 01/08/2013 10:39 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: On Jul 29, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Fool wrote: You're right, intuitionistic logic is too weird. Heck no. Classical logic is weird. But classical logic is the system obeyed by truth-bearing statements! —"Of course, who cares about tru

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: publicity

On 01/08/2013 1:48 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: it's a delightfully confusing time You're welcome! :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Emergency Distribution of Proposal 7568

On 01/08/2013 1:42 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: 7568 30 O omd, etc. Agora pulls a B + some ratifications Fool, can you please distribute this in your purported gamestate as well and adopt it? -scshunt Duhhh of course. I'll do it right away without looking closely. I mean it DOE

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Emergency Distribution of Proposal 7568

On 01/08/2013 1:34 PM, omd wrote: * I also attempt to distribute this with Chamber of each of Green, Red, and Purple (in that case, the proposal is separately Ordinary). What's that about? Nice colour scheme though.

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

On 01/08/2013 12:18 PM, omd wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Fool wrote: As I said right off the bat, I didn't CFJ a free-floating version of Curry's paradox. And that is basically why. Because then you only have to argue some alternate logic for free-floating statements. Typi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A Criminal Case

On 01/08/2013 8:40 AM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Fool wrote: Nor is there any common-sense right that can be appealed to. In ordinary terms, this is just called "elimination", or more simply, "losing", and that's a perfectly routine

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A Criminal Case

On 01/08/2013 12:23 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Max Schutz wrote: sorry for being a pain but in lamens terms he tried to have us all deregistered and kicked is that it sorry my learning disability makes it a pain when there are a lot of words surrpounding a point Yes

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

On 31/07/2013 10:34 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: The question is specifically whether _I_ can destroy the promise, and the promise belongs to the Tree. You can transfer it to yourself and cash it. It doesn't work that way anymore, and in any case the author is excluded, and I am the author.

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

On 30/07/2013 5:57 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> I fail to see the alleged biconditional. >> > > As discussed, promise destruction is secured. There is no other instrument allowing a promise to be destroyed. How about cashing it? The question is specifically whether _I_ can destroy the promise,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stuff

On 31/07/2013 7:59 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2013, Charles Walker wrote: Davy I may, however, struggle with the requirement to be generally capable of communicating via email. I dunno, I hear cats are quite proficient at using keyboards. And it's impressive how badly a lot of

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

On 30/07/2013 3:16 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: On 29/07/2013 6:15 PM, Alex Smith wrote: (there are definitely cases where I and coconspirators could have done this, but chose not to; being hated by the rest of Agora is generally not worth a dictatorship). I

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

On 30/07/2013 3:19 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Elliott Hird wrote: This whole thing strikes me as being in incredibly poor form and I disapprove of it. (People who were around to see me years ago can stop laughing now.) No, you are in the category of "annoying, but with hon

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

On 29/07/2013 10:43 PM, omd wrote: Amend Rule 217 (Interpreting the Rules) by appending: In general, the gamestate only changes as explicitly envisioned by the Rules, and an absurdity that can be concluded from the assumption that a statement is false does not constitute pr

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

On 29/07/2013 11:30 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Fool wrote: The sentences in question are not directly self-referential or even mutually-referential. This is more of a Curry-flavoured confused deputy, with rule 2337 as the deputy. It says that the author can destroy a

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

On 29/07/2013 11:35 PM, omd wrote: Per a discussion on IRC, the fact that the rules /use/ the truth value of a particular statement for some unrelated purpose shouldn't actually affect anything. Agreed, shouldn't! But it seems that it does. Consider the statement "Iff this statement is true

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

On 29/07/2013 8:04 PM, omd wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Fool wrote: :-) Let's ask if you are a player (c). If I de-registered you, you are NOT a player (b -> ~c). But (b -> ~c) -> (~~b -> ~c). So if it was NOT IMPOSSIBLE for me to de-register you, you are not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7530-7547

On 29/07/2013 7:46 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: See the recent TIME OUT scam... making someone not an eligible voter does set their voting limit to 0. I'm claiming you haven't made them not eligible voters in the first place, even if you deregistered them. That was the TIME OUT scam -- made some

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

On 29/07/2013 7:49 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2013-07-29 at 19:41 -0400, Fool wrote: Anyways, I did see your other message (sorry, a lot to reply to). The rule has power three and says I can do it by announcement. You really have to argue the rule does not say so, the other arguments are

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