DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3828 Assigned to G.

2020-05-06 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 6, 2020, 16:20 Aris Merchant via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intend, with 2 support, to group-file a motion to reconsider. I agree > with the judge's verdict, but Warrigal's objections are sufficiently > significant that they deserve an response on the re

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3828 Assigned to G.

2020-05-06 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 6, 2020, 14:36 Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/6/2020 10:44 AM, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > > You seem to be saying that it's possible for a value to be unambiguous > > despite being indetermina

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3828 Assigned to G.

2020-05-06 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
G., you're making some interesting arguments. Here's how I see things, first of all. Let's suppose the rules say that a particular switch has two possible values, A and B. To me, there are three possible situations here. The first situation is that it is clear which value the switch has. In this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3828 Assigned to G.

2020-05-06 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 6, 2020, 01:29 Rebecca via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Indeterminacy is different to "ambiguity". The indeterminacy here arises > from the inability to determine the location of a certain game asset, > rather than lack of clarity in the text of the rule

DIS: Re: BUS: Cleanliness Intent in Rule 105

2020-04-19 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
Does the rule actually say "an statue" currently? Proposal 8354 replaced "an instrument" with "a statute", and presumably the Rulekeepor accidentally recorded the new wording as "an statue" instead. Was the mistake ratified? —Warrigal

DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] regarding Alexis's CoE on the SLR/FLR

2020-04-13 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:41 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I CFJ: "The entity once known as Rule 2601 is a rule." Argument: One of the universal principles of modifiable systems of rules is that once a rule (or portion of a rule) is removed from the system, that rule (or portion of a

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Thesis Submission Peer Review

2020-03-16 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
Respectfully, although Aris's thesis is interesting and well-written, it doesn't seem to show a great amount of analysis or research effort. I think that to be eligible for a degree, a thesis should show more analysis or research than, say, a typical CFJ judgement. Speaking of which, I think at le

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] solving double proposal effects

2020-03-04 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
Is this needed? What's an example of a circumstance in which this would prevent something bad from happening? —Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Dragon Corporation

2020-03-03 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 23:12 Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Joining contracts (consent) is one of those things you can't act-on-behalf > to do (R2519), though you might decide to CFJ on clause 2. > Oh right. I did have a vague feeling that my acting-on-

Re: DIS: [Notary] Draft Report

2020-03-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
> Mar 03 2020 01:50: > Gaelan joined, purchased 3 shares and became president CoE: You purchased 4 shares, not 3, and you did so via my t4pf a couple of minutes ago. —Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:34 Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Well, we purposefully error-trapped switches, which suggests that we allow > that sort of thing if the rules are explicit about it happening: > But an indeterminate value is merely one that "ca

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 08:23 Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > But yeah, even if it is tradition, I'm not against just going contrary to > it since all we need to do that is enough people agreeing to do so, and I'd > agree to it (although, probably not righ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 06:45 Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > My proposal would just create an ambiguity in the rules, and we never > judge DISMISS due to an ambiguity in the rules; we pick an interpretation > instead. > > Why is this? (Is it just cultur

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 04:41 Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I think this would cause: > - A big and spreading fog of war of CfJ DISMISS, because its "undecidable" > and "insufficient information exists" to know what's going on with coins > My proposal w

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Onward with bodies of law

2020-02-29 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 14:50 Alexis Hunt via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > [This first proposal is a reform to the core rules defining what rules > are, with an aim to better supporting subordinate legal documents. The > intent is to enact very little change to the game a

Re: DIS: regulated actions question

2020-02-22 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:44 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > In R2125/10 (power=3) there is the following: > > A Regulated Action CAN only be performed as described by the > > Rules, and only using the methods explicitly specified in the > > Rules for performing the given

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-02-20 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
Gratuitous: Rule 1742 states that a contract must be made by "one or more consenting persons", but it doesn't specify what it is, exactly, that the persons must consent to. It would seem reasonable to interpret this as meaning that the persons must have consented to the creation of a contract with

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2020-02-19 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
H. Herald, I notice that I am listed on the Scroll of Agora under my former names of Zachary Watterson and Tanner L. Swett; I humbly request that these both be updated to Warrigal. —Warrigal, who has settled on the name of Warrigal and does not intend to change it again without good reason

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:55 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > Perhaps relevant: CFJ 3762 [0], which concluded both that a person CAN > perform a certain action and that that action is IMPOSSIBLE. > > [0]: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3762 H. I feel like that ca

Re: DIS: Proto-contract: the Dragon Corporation (the new TTC Corporation)

2020-02-15 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 5:01 PM AIS523--- via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 2020-02-15 at 16:54 -0500, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion > wrote: > > All other provisions of this contract notwithstanding, this contract > > does not permit any entity to act on behalf of any

DIS: Proto-contract: the Dragon Corporation (the new TTC Corporation)

2020-02-15 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
{{{ ## Bylaw 1: Definition This contract is named "the Dragon Corporation". The purpose of the Dragon Corporation is to earn as much money as possible for its shareholders. All other provisions of this contract notwithstanding, this contract does not permit any entity to act on behalf of any oth

DIS: Proto-contract: the Zombie Market

2020-02-15 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
{{{ This contract is named "the Zombie Market". Any entity CAN become a party to this contract by announcement. Any party to this contract CAN cease to be a party to this contract by announcement, unless e is the master of a zombie and does not own that zombie's Talisman. For each zombie whose m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Re-renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-15 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 10:43 Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Did we ever get the results from the blackjack game? I think at least > one person won their hand. > Yowch, it looks like I botched sending the final result message. I've sent that now. —Warri

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Re-renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-15 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 14:12 Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > 8331j Warrigal 1.7 Promissory cleanliness > Conditional: AGAINST if Warrigal votes AGAINST; otherwise PRESENT. I > don't object in principle, but, I mean, you didn't _hav

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a uroborus

2020-02-08 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
I doubt that this really does anything. Presumably, "one party" means "one person who is a party"; there's no means by which a single person can be multiple parties. On a related note, years ago, it was ruled that "I act on behalf of myself to do X" means exactly the same thing as "I do X." Back

DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning

2020-02-07 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
Without objection, I intend to go off on a little bit of a tangent. I like how, in many laws and regulations, bullet points are often used to write an entire section as a single, potentially extremely long sentence. To demonstrate, here's 14 CFR 61.23(a) (the requirement for pilots to hold a medi

DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning

2020-02-07 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 13:32 Aris Merchant via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intend, without objection, to clean Rule 591 by inserting a period > at the end of the first three bulleted list items. > > [It looks weird that some of the items have periods and others don't;

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-03 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 02:10 Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 10:43 PM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion > wrote: > [...] > > For what it's worth, I like this language (even though it will certainly &g

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 01:05 omd via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Hmm... Good point. It shouldn't be. The point was to clarify that > even if the gamestate doesn't have a list of legal fictions, legal > fictions can still exist due to rules (which are themselves par

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020, 21:25 James Cook via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > 2. Do you think my "Last Week in Agora" summaries are useful? Any other >comments? So far I've acted unilaterally in writing them, just to >get something started, but I'm open to doing th

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020, 19:41 omd via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > A rule may state or imply that 'X is treated as if it > were Y', but this is considered an attempt to redefine X, > subject to the usual standards for definitions. > What's the purpos

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-31 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 12:21 AM James Cook wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 01:30, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion > wrote: > > then a legal fiction is established that the belief was true at the time of > > the earliest public message indicating the belief; and the gamestat

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 3796 Assigned to omd

2020-01-31 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
Gratuitous postmortem arguments on CFJ 3796: I don't think it's necessary to bring Rule 217 into this at all; scams of this type simply can't work. I'll explain why I think that. Imagine that the city of Grand Rapids, Michigan enacts an ordinance which states that, the United States Constitution

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Thesis Committee for twg

2020-01-31 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 22:37 Alexis Hunt via agora-official < agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to award twg the Patent Title of Associate > of Nomic, subject to the conditions that the person performing the award > pursuant to this intent is the Herald, the f

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-30 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
I have a half-serious half-proto-proposal: "Implicit Ratification", AI: 3 Repeal all rules relating to ratification. Enact the following rule: { In the course of playing the game, it is inevitable that from time to time, an error in recordkeeping will occur and go unnoticed for such a long time

DIS: Some thoughts on pragmatism and accounting

2020-01-29 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
I've been thinking about what makes Agora difficult to play as compared to other games. Something I've noticed about the current rules is that lots of game actions and effects are all woven together in such a way that if a mistake is made with any piece of it, the mistake can quickly propagate and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

2020-01-29 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 12:31 Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > You kids and your timely fashions. When I was young, we did things as soon > as possible both ways and we liked it! > You know, I *still* think of VVLOP and second-class persons (and second-cl

DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

2020-01-27 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 18:43 Jason Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > [Informal title: "Pronouns"] > > { > > The singular non-gendered pronoun is "e" in the nominative, and "em" in > the accusative. Do not use "they" as a singular pronoun. Do not use > "he/him/his" or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Blackjack, anyone?

2020-01-26 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 3:50 PM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > Matthew Berlin wrote: > > If you publish a hash of the shoe beforehand, and the entire shoe > > afterwards for verification of the hash, you might get more takers, > > I know next to nothing about blackjack, but that sou

DIS: Re: BUS: Blackjack, anyone?

2020-01-26 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 3:08 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > CFJ: If a player other than Tanner Swett gives Tanner Swett 2 coins in > reference to the quoted pledge, it creates a contract between Tanner Swett and > that player. Not-so-gratuitous arguments: The Rules sta

Re: DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:06 AM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > [...] > > On Jan 23, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > Of course, "TCC" stands for "the TCC Corporation." > > Shouldn’t this be TTC, t

DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
It's never too late to try to found a company which aspires to take over the world. { ## Bylaw 1: Definition This contract is named "the TCC Corporation". The purpose of the TCC Corporation is to earn as much money as possible for its shareholders. Shares of TCC stock (herein

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Doomsday

2017-08-17 Thread Tanner Swett
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 17 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: >> On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 00:48 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> > Per Rule 2166 (“Assets”), I indent, without objection, to destroy >> > Agora, no sooner than August 20th 2017, 01:00, Eastern time. >> >> Ju

DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: [ADoP by deputisation] Metareport

2017-03-26 Thread Tanner Swett
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 10:57 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I claim that the following “report” contains an error. Henry is not the > Secretary. He sure isn't. --Zachary Watterson

Re: DIS: agoran coin raising

2015-09-09 Thread Tanner Swett
Well, you could do something pretty similar to what Bitcoin does. People could publish a transaction log occasionally; whenever they do, they give their transaction log a unique identifier and refer to some other transaction log as its parent. Just like with Bitcoin, a published transaction log isn

Re: DIS: dealing with disappearing rules?

2015-08-24 Thread Tanner Swett
I think I'd it include it in the Ruleset with a note that it has been repealed. --the Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A growing ruleset

2015-08-22 Thread Tanner Swett
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Root = own parent was on purpose. Not sure if that screws up any > tree math assumptions, but I didn't see any harm in making it so. > Well, it screws up the fact that no node is its own ancestor. Actually, I think "every node except the ro

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3452 assigned to scshunt

2015-08-17 Thread Tanner Swett
I think I'd say that any intentional line break constitutes a paragraph break, except in unusual cases such as mailing addresses, poetry, and ASCII art. Therefore, list items separated by intentional line breaks are separate paragraphs (and may be multiple paragraphs each). Blank lines don't really

DIS: Re: BUS: could agora be nearly web 2.0?

2015-08-17 Thread Tanner Swett
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:21 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > comment, please: > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/agora/rules/ I like it. I personally would prefer if everything were expanded initially, and then maybe there could be buttons for collapsing. Also, you seem to have a couple of element

DIS: Re: BUS: $$$

2015-08-14 Thread Tanner Swett
Some feedback... On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I create this proposal: > > > > Title: $$$ > Author: Gaelan > AI: 3.1 Having an AI greater than 3 isn't necessary, since proposals with power

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of proposals 7780-83

2015-08-03 Thread Tanner Swett
At the moment, I don't know of any places in the rules where a low-powered instrument is allowed to mess with a high-powered instrument. It would be nice if we could go from "we don't know of any" to "there aren't any". —the Warrigal

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of proposals 7780-83

2015-08-03 Thread Tanner Swett
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:15 AM, omd wrote: >> 7782+ the Warrigal 3.0 Power Always Controls Mutability > AGAINST - this would prevent proposals from modifying Power>3 rules, > because Rule 106 is Power 3 How would it do that? Under this proposal, just like right now, Rule 2140 "Power Controls

Re: DIS: Where did Win by Paradox go?

2015-08-01 Thread Tanner Swett
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Ok, here's what the first paradox was... What's your pseudo-judgement? > > The Not Your Turn card would cancel the effect of any card played > in the last 24 hours (meant as a defense card). > > The Discard Picking card let you grab any card dis

Re: DIS: Where did Win by Paradox go?

2015-08-01 Thread Tanner Swett
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Aug 1, 2015 12:24, "omd" wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Tanner Swett >> wrote: >> > Rule 2358, which defined Win by Paradox, was present in the ruleset >> > published on 25 August 2013

DIS: Where did Win by Paradox go?

2015-08-01 Thread Tanner Swett
Rule 2358, which defined Win by Paradox, was present in the ruleset published on 25 August 2013, but absent in the ruleset published on 17 December 2013. I couldn't find any proposals which repealed the rule. So where did it go? (I don't miss it, and I would oppose any attempt to put it back.) —t

Re: DIS: About Proposals 7773 and 7774

2015-07-29 Thread Tanner Swett
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:55 AM, omd wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:43 AM, tmanthe2nd . wrote: >> Proposals 7773 and 7774 gives the wrong ID number for the rule it amends. >> Rule 2455 does not exist. So, the proposals don't actually do anything. > > So they do. Nice catch. Though if you as

DIS: Eternal proto: Security groups

2015-07-28 Thread Tanner Swett
(I don't actually plan to submit a proposal along these lines any time soon; this is just an idea.) Create a rule with power 3, titled "Security Groups": A Security Group is a certain type of entity. A Security Group with power 0 cannot exist; if such a Security Group somehow exists, it immediate

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Arbitor] CFJ 3449 assigned to aranea

2015-07-28 Thread Tanner Swett
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Luis Ressel wrote: > I agree with ais523's interpretation that the the minimum of four and > none is four; mathematically, this seems to make sense: If we assume > {'none'} = {} and "minimum of a and b := min {a,b}", then "minimum of > none and four" evaluates to

DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2015-07-28 Thread Tanner Swett
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:41 AM, tmanthe2nd . wrote: > I, Tristan Bredeweg would like to register as a player in Agora Nomic. Welcome to our humble nation. We hope you enjoy your stay. —the Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] (corrected) Census

2015-07-25 Thread Tanner Swett
Jonatan Kilhamn) Player 509: aranea (Luis Ressel) Player 510: G. (Kerim Aydin) Player 511: Ienpw III (James Beirne) Player 512: Joe Piercey Player 513: stadjer Player 514: scshunt (Sean Hunt) Player 515: the Warrigal (Tanner Swett) Player 516: ironiridis Player 517: Gaelan Steele Player 518: Tekneek --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's punish people again

2015-07-25 Thread Tanner Swett
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > In interpreting the functioning of assets, assets should generally > be assumed to be indivisible physical objects in the possession of > their owners, and that transfers between owners are "in person". For the first cl

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7763-7771

2015-07-19 Thread Tanner Swett
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > minor problems with the proposal (e.g. the way it defines a process that > carries on over time is something that I'm not sure works under Agoran > law, and potentially carries on after the repeal of the rule if it does; > and the ). Also, we di

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ proposals

2015-07-17 Thread Tanner Swett
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:57 PM, omd wrote: > - REMIT: The case becomes open again, and the current judge is > recused. The Arbitor SHALL NOT assign em to the case again > unless no other eligible judges have displayed interest in > judging. If no eligible judges h

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7763-7771

2015-07-16 Thread Tanner Swett
I vote: > 7763* scshunt 1.0 Official References AGAINST; this seems like it doesn't accomplish anything at all > 7764* scshunt 1.0 Prime Ministerial Perks FOR > 7765* scshunt 2.0 Centralization FOR > 7766* scshunt 1.0 Timelines Conditional: FOR if ais523's vote i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2015-07-16 Thread Tanner Swett
Also, has Agora tried approval voting lately? I think it's snazzy. —the Warrigal

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2015-07-16 Thread Tanner Swett
I don't like the lack of encapsulation here. Under this proposal: Rules 2154 and 2444 say "The valid options are ordered lists of one or more valid preference." Rule 955 says "If the valid options are ordered lists of preferences, [instant runoff stuff happens]." I think this would be better: R

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Real proposal: The Resistance

2015-07-15 Thread Tanner Swett
By the way, should I retract this proposal and resubmit it with a clause installing me? I mean, I'm planning to take the office anyway. --the Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Real proposal: The Resistance

2015-07-15 Thread Tanner Swett
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jul 2015, Tanner Swett wrote: >> Proposal, "The Resistance", AI 1.5: >> >> Create a rule with power 1.5, titled "Gothur and Yufel": > > I'm not voting for any new office without

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Herald] Silver Quill Initiation

2015-07-15 Thread Tanner Swett
My sole shortlist proposal is 7698 "Ribbons 2014". --the Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Some proposals

2015-07-12 Thread Tanner Swett
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Luis Ressel wrote: >> - Dive (Referee): The Prime Minister issues a specified Card >> to a specified specified player. In doing so, the Prime >> Minister SHOULD cite a specific grievance against that player, >> not necessarily a violat

DIS: Re: BUS: back to some structural change

2015-07-11 Thread Tanner Swett
What is allowing rules with power less than 1 intended to accomplish? —the Warrigal

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Assessor election

2015-07-08 Thread Tanner Swett
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Luis Ressel wrote: >> The voting period for the Assessor election has been extended per >> R2168; please cast your votes before the new deadline on Jul 14, >> 21:06 UTC. >> >> Please consider yourself humiliated by the necce

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Free Magenta

2015-07-03 Thread Tanner Swett
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > This half doesn't work; you can't schedule future actions in Agora > without an actual message being sent at the time of the action. > (Sometimes there's a workaround based on causing parts of other people's > messages to be sent by you, but I do

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbons

2015-07-01 Thread Tanner Swett
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Luis Ressel wrote: >> I award myself a Gray Ribbon. > > You know, renaming this game "Tailor is kingmaker, don't bother" really > takes the interest out of this for me. There shall be blood. We demand it. —the Worgen

DIS: Re: BUS: PROPOSAL: Into the 21st century

2015-06-29 Thread Tanner Swett
Does HTML show up in archives correctly? —the Warrigal

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: The Resistance

2015-06-21 Thread Tanner Swett
Some good points. Here's some new wording that I think would fix the problems: Enlistment is a player switch, tracked by the Weird, with values Unenlisted (default), Enlisted, and Ineligible. While there is Peace, any player (except the Weird) CAN flip eir Enlistment to Unenlisted or Enlisted by a

DIS: Re: Proto-proposal: The Resistance

2015-06-21 Thread Tanner Swett
Some autofeedback: "every Yufel Enlisted players" should be "every Yufel Enlisted player". It's not clear what happens when there's a change of Leader while step 1 is ongoing; I'm thinking that the clock should restart. Step 2 should say "Proposed Mission" instead of "mission". Step 3 should clari

DIS: Proto-proposal: The Resistance

2015-06-20 Thread Tanner Swett
Proposal, "The Resistance", AI 1.5: Create a rule, titled "Gothur and Yufel": The Weird is an office. Enlistment is a player switch, tracked by the Weird, with values Unenlisted (default) and Enlisted. Any player CAN flip eir Enlistment by announcement, but if a player's

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2015-06-20 Thread Tanner Swett
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:30 PM, woggle wrote: > Warrigal, thetannersweet at gmail.com25 Apr 15 tannerswett, not tannersweet. --the Warrigal

DIS: A person of a non-biological nature?

2015-05-25 Thread Tanner Swett
June 2014 --- —$(players['Tanner Swett'].nickname)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration stadjer

2015-04-13 Thread Tanner Swett
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 8 Apr 2015, Tanner Swett wrote: >> > We saw it begin to happen with the Dungeon Master a couple months ago; >> > people >> > jumped in. But then a bug happened, and the original D.M. didn't care

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration stadjer

2015-04-08 Thread Tanner Swett
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > In all seriousness, I think most dead periods ended when someone put forward > a new Proposal with a set of new rules for a new Game Play idea, and also ran > it long enough to work out the bugs in the idea. If the game is relatively > easy to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7711-7720

2014-11-11 Thread Tanner Swett
On Nov 9, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 9 Nov 2014, omd wrote: >>A rule which purports to allow a person (a special deputy) to > > Haha. This was called "Limited Power of Attorney" 10 years ago. > > I only mention it now because it was one mechanism around which > "contrac

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of proposals 7711-20

2014-10-30 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 30, 2014, at 8:55 PM, omd wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Luis Ressel wrote: >> 7711 omd1.0 Wordplay > > By the way, it was pointed out that this violates the recently > arguably reestablished custom of installing an officer, so I probably > should have changed it. But

Re: DIS: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7698-7710

2014-10-30 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 30, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Henri Bouchard wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: >> >> On Oct 30, 2014 1:02 PM, "Henri Bouchard" wrote: >>> If it is that difficult for the recordkeepors, couldn't we just raise >>> the sa

DIS: Kniffordly happenings

2014-10-30 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 30, 2014, at 3:43 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > On 30 October 2014 04:45, Tanner Swett wrote: >> On Oct 24, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >>> I punch the Bard in the face. >> >> Inside the inn, we find the Bard and some unknown character, whom we

Re: DIS: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7698-7710

2014-10-30 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 30, 2014 1:02 PM, "Henri Bouchard" wrote: > If it is that difficult for the recordkeepors, couldn't we just raise > the salary of the recordkeepors in order to compensate for the burden? > Isn't that the purpose of the variable office salary? Well, we can increase salaries all we want, but

DIS: Re: BUS: Province?

2014-10-29 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 24, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Tanner Swett wrote: > I create a Province character called Redgroat. Redgroat looks around. > > —the Warrigal Redgroat finds emself on a road leading through a hamlet known as Knifford, a quiet place surrounded by farmland and forests. The buildings that h

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Changing the Definition of Timely Fashion

2014-10-29 Thread Tanner Swett
Is there a reason you didn't just say "in Rule 1023 'Common Definitions', change 'within 7 days' to 'within 4 days'"? --the Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2014-10-28 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 28, 2014, at 11:38 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I think it would be fun if the number of players self-ratified, then you > have to read down the list and see who doesn't make the cut. -G. I change my nickname to Aaa. —the Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Elections!!!11

2014-10-27 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 27, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > TPF is over there. TPTTPF. This public to the public forum? —the Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Expedition

2014-10-26 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 26, 2014, at 10:51 PM, omd wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: >> Amend Rule 2160 "Deputisation" by appending the paragraph >> >> A rule which purports to allow a person to specially deputise >> under particular ci

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Elections!!!11

2014-10-26 Thread Tanner Swett
A figure, a little shorter than the average adult human, and wearing a black robe and a hood that completely covers eir face, walks into the room. E approaches a chair, and puts a gloved hand on the back of the chair, but does not sit down. "I am the Warrigal," the person says in a strange voic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7698-7710

2014-10-26 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 26, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > For perspective, my personal favorite times in the game were mid-2001 > (tri-currency zombie auctions)and 2005 (Discordian Cards). I'll have to check those archives out. —the Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7698-7710

2014-10-26 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 26, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Eritivus wrote: > > So what is the full text of the rule change? I worried that it might be > the full diff of the rules the change would effect, which is not > directly included in Henri's proposal, and which seems too restrictive. I'd say "text of a rule change" mea

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Wordplay

2014-10-25 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 25, 2014, at 10:09 PM, omd wrote: > > When correcting a botched Shopping Period initiation, King Azaz > MAY and SHOULD reuse random values as appropriate instead of > recalculating everything anew. The opposite convention would be more unambiguous. And more conventional, I

DIS: Protos: bring back contracts!

2014-10-25 Thread Tanner Swett
Arguments: When I first joined Agora, back in 'oh-such-and-such, contracts, including partnerships and assets, were among my favorite aspects of the game. They were one of the defining features of Agora, setting it apart from B Nomic as "the awesome nomic". (Another feature I really liked was th

DIS: Scapegoating

2014-10-25 Thread Tanner Swett
I note that Rule 2426 "Cards" doesn't contain anything stating (for Cards other than Black) that the person to whom the Card is issued must be the same as the person who violated the rules. —the Warrigal

DIS: Re: BUS: legislative solution

2014-10-25 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 25, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Henri Bouchard wrote: > > I call for judgement on the following statement: > > "G submitted Proposal: Defining Reasonable Review" > > Argument: It is unclear whether or not G submitted the Proposal: > Defining Reasonable Review because e does not state that e submits

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2014-10-24 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 4, 2014, at 2:39 PM, woggle wrote: > > Warrigal, thetannerswett at gmail.com 5 Aug 14 Belated thanks. —Warrigal, the

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