Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, omd wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Anyway, I thought 'perl-or' wasn't the Boolean logical 'or'.  I thought 'perl-or' was Do X or die so that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Stucky
The question is, if Murphy doesn't vote, whether the PRESENT stops us from getting to AGAINST (strict perl-or logic interpretation), or whether the AGAINST somehow overrides the PRESENT (common usage/more common sense interpretation and probably the intent). -G. That's a rather

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, Eric Stucky wrote: The question is, if Murphy doesn't vote, whether the PRESENT stops us from getting to AGAINST (strict perl-or logic interpretation), or whether the AGAINST somehow overrides the PRESENT (common usage/more common sense interpretation and probably

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 June 2011 20:59, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Anyway, I thought 'perl-or' wasn't the Boolean logical 'or'.  I thought 'perl-or' was Do X or die so that 'or' == 'otherwise'. The semantics of (a or b) and (a || b) are identical in Perl. (I think.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Stucky
Turiski, Your email seems to be the one with funky wrapping; Gondilier's second message looks fine to me. I'm not entirely sure how my wrapping works. I fiddled with some settings; is it better now? (Specifying a Boolean logical OR in the original message would have guaranteed failure,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Stucky
Further, I don't believe or is ruleset-defined, so it should have the common language meaning, which is exclusive, but I think there is history to suggest that ENDORSE or AGAINST means what Tanner intended. (I could be completely wrong about this) Post-research remarks: This is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-24 Thread Tanner Swett
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Anyway, I thought 'perl-or' wasn't the Boolean logical 'or'.  I thought 'perl-or' was Do X or die so that 'or' == 'otherwise'. If I'm not mistaken, 'or' in Perl evaluates its left argument and returns that, unless it is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-24 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Anyway, I thought 'perl-or' wasn't the Boolean logical 'or'.  I thought 'perl-or' was Do X or die so that 'or' == 'otherwise'. If I'm not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, Elliott Hird wrote: On 23 June 2011 05:18, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Are you trying to get at the select two votes thing? I think it pretty clearly evaluates down to one selection at the end. No; comex is arguing that the action is interpreted as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 June 2011 01:33, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Arguments: func(a || b) is not generally equivalent to func(a) || func(b). Arguments: Is AGAINST if Murphy sucks, else PRESENT one vote, or a conditional branch of two votes?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-22 Thread Pavitra
On 06/22/2011 07:47 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 22 June 2011 01:33, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Arguments: func(a || b) is not generally equivalent to func(a) || func(b). Arguments: Is AGAINST if Murphy sucks, else PRESENT one vote, or a conditional branch of two votes? Are you trying to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 June 2011 05:18, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Are you trying to get at the select two votes thing? I think it pretty clearly evaluates down to one selection at the end. No; comex is arguing that the action is interpreted as (vote(MURPH or AGAINST)); I am arguing for

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-21 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Arguments: We have precedent that the truth value of an action statement is true if it succeeds and false if it does not; as many Perl I/O functions also follow such a convention, we should treat the boolean

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-18 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Hows:      If there is no Agoran Decision to adopt a particular proposal that       has an outcome of ADOPTED, that proposal CANNOT take effect, rules       to the contrary notwithstanding. Looks fine-- although, by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, omd wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Hows:      If there is no Agoran Decision to adopt a particular proposal that       has an outcome of ADOPTED, that proposal CANNOT take effect, rules       to the contrary

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-18 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Looks fine-- although, by the way, I'm not sure this clause is necessary in the first place. Without it, is there anything stopping a Power 1 Rule from being made that allows a proposal to take effect using the R106

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-17 Thread omd
While you're at it, two suggestions: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:    A proposal with a decision on which the option selected by Agora    is not ADOPTED does not take effect, rules to the contrary    notwithstanding. This is worded this way due to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-17 Thread Pavitra
On 06/17/2011 01:50 PM, omd wrote: When a person creates a proposal, e SHOULD ensure that it specifies one or more changes to the gamestate. I've always thought this text was really ugly. I have a feeling that this used to say something like a proposal SHOULD specify one or more

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, omd wrote: While you're at it, two suggestions: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:    A proposal with a decision on which the option selected by Agora    is not ADOPTED does not take effect, rules to the contrary    

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Pavitra wrote: On 06/17/2011 01:50 PM, omd wrote: When a person creates a proposal, e SHOULD ensure that it specifies one or more changes to the gamestate. I've always thought this text was really ugly. I have a feeling that this used to say something like

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-17 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Yeah, I stared at this for a while when cutting and pasting just now and wondered why it was this way but just left it.  How's this:      If a decision to adopt a proposal does not result in an outcome of      ADOPTED,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7081-7083

2011-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, omd wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Yeah, I stared at this for a while when cutting and pasting just now and wondered why it was this way but just left it.  How's this:      If a decision to adopt a proposal does not