Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-21 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I agree with this interpretation, but I find nowhere that suggests that payments must only be legal values of the balance switch. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 20, 2017, at 11:24 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > >> On Jun 20, 2017, at 11:45 AM,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: >> Why not just require that shinies may only be given in positive >> integers? Or that any entity that would give shinies may not give >> fractional parts of shinies, negative amounts of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Nic Evans
On 06/20/17 15:09, Kerim Aydin wrote: > This time it's a completely different metaphor, and maybe - as suggested > elsewhere - we should go to the common usage of "switch". If you have a > TV remote switch, it's pretty clear that the "units" of channel and > volume are fixed on some kind of i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: Those solutions make the ruleset a little easier (read: prevents us humanities majors from having to know what octonian space and lattice points are). You don't have to know what it is, but you _do_ have to spell it correctly. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Josh T
I think I'm OK with supporting that interpretation. 天火狐 On 20 June 2017 at 16:09, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, Josh T wrote: > > I'm not convinced that saying "the unit of Balance > > values is shiny" is sufficient to restrict them to integers: I imagine > > few people would di

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, Josh T wrote: > I'm not convinced that saying "the unit of Balance > values is shiny" is sufficient to restrict them to integers: I imagine > few people would dispute "the meter is a unit of length" as incorrect, > and it makes sense to talk about fractions of a meter. On

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, Josh T wrote: > On one hand, I'm kind of glad I don't have to try and explain what an > "algebraic integer" is to everyone since we can use the common-sense > ordinary-language definition of "integer" to mean "rational integer"; > on the other hand, I'm not convinced that

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Josh T
On one hand, I'm kind of glad I don't have to try and explain what an "algebraic integer" is to everyone since we can use the common-sense ordinary-language definition of "integer" to mean "rational integer"; on the other hand, I'm not convinced that saying "the unit of Balance values is shiny" is

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > > read: prevents us humanities majors from having to know what > > octonian space and lattice points are > > I agree. While for deviant cases I believe that now and then more > offshoot things can definitely arise, the rules themselves should > be as la

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread CuddleBeam
>read: prevents us humanities majors from having to know what octonian space and lattice points are I agree. While for deviant cases I believe that now and then more offshoot things can definitely arise, the rules themselves should be as layman as possible imo (yet unambiguous and sufficiently "c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > Why not just require that shinies may only be given in positive > integers? Or that any entity that would give shinies may not give > fractional parts of shinies, negative amounts of shinies, or zero > shinies? (both also eliminate the "i give zero

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I believe that to resolve this we should legislate that all attempts to pay > shinies shall be interpreted as a vector with a certain point in octonion > space and the distance from the origin along the vector to the first

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I present these comments as evidence on the called CFJ and request that for the ease of all participants, the Secretary publish a preliminary report explaining the state of the game, if this were to be true. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 19,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > There's a precedent (that I can't find right now, I can't remember > the statement context) Ah, here we go: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?1813

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > The sentence specifically addressing negative payments is required, > and cannot be similarly elided, as it serves a different purpose: > it stops people from “paying” someone in order to take all of the > “payee”’s Shinies for emself. There's a pre

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-19 Thread Quazie
By 2240 the latest clause takes precedence - the switch flips and defaults. G. Is right I believe On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 19:44 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Jun 2017, Josh T wrote: > > You know what, I can kind of see the argument for imaginary numbers > > being reasonable. > > Do you kn

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 19 Jun 2017, Josh T wrote: > You know what, I can kind of see the argument for imaginary numbers > being reasonable. Do you know what I think happens? By R2483, a balance is decreased by i and a balance is increased by i. But balance is a switch that can only be integers, soo... (by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-19 Thread Josh T
You know what, I can kind of see the argument for imaginary numbers being reasonable. Quazie's remarks about personal balances being broken is still a concern, and if it does actually go through it could be a little inconvenient. 天火狐 On 19 June 2017 at 21:25, V.J Rada wrote: > No you don't. Ima