Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-23 Thread Florian
On 2/22/2008 3:47 PM, Jonathan Stowe wrote: > On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 13:59 +0100, Florian wrote: > >> we manage to get "down" to 8 milliseconds buffer size at CD >> quality without glitches with the onboard soundcard (Intel HDA). >> However, we would like to use sub-millisecond buffer sizes. > > A

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-23 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:23:02 +0100 Florian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Because laptops often use SMM traps to poll battery and fan status > > which can tie up the CPU for several milliseconds. > > > > The vast majority of laptops are simply not designed for low latency work. > > yeah, that mi

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-23 Thread Florian
> Because laptops often use SMM traps to poll battery and fan status > which can tie up the CPU for several milliseconds. > > The vast majority of laptops are simply not designed for low latency work. yeah, that might be a problem we'll have. Thanks, Florian > > Good luck, > > Lee > > --

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Florian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But the laptop is not running realtime linux is it? It has > sure it is... > > > > loads of potential latencies and stuff demanding the system's > > attention-- page swapping, program swapping, etc. So why would > > you thi

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 13:59 +0100, Florian wrote: > we manage to get "down" to 8 milliseconds buffer size at CD > quality without glitches with the onboard soundcard (Intel HDA). > However, we would like to use sub-millisecond buffer sizes. Any chance you could share your setup for that? I strugg

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Florian
On 2/22/2008 1:40 PM, James Shatto wrote: > The USB bus speed probably isn't going to ensure low latency. > Most USB soundcards seem limited to two channels and 48kHz. > I'd recommend a PCCard/Cardbus or Firewire device. yes, I assumed that. > Is there any reason you're wanting to use something o

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Florian
> very good sound reproduction) but I certainly have never > tested its latency. Not sure how you would do so, since your > ear certainly cannot hear time differences on the level of > msec. the beauty (and the whole idea of using real-time audio for showcasing realtime systems) is that you WILL

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread James Shatto
> Can anyone recommend a PCCard/Cardbus soundcard, or possibly a > USB card supported by alsa and which you've been able to run with > low latency? The USB bus speed probably isn't going to ensure low latency. Most USB soundcards seem limited to two channels and 48kHz. I'd recommend a PCCard/C

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Bill Unruh
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Florian wrote: >> But the laptop is not running realtime linux is it? It has > sure it is... > >> loads of potential latencies and stuff demanding the system's >> attention-- page swapping, program swapping, etc. So why would >> you think that it would work on Linux without un

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Florian
On 2/22/2008 11:55 AM, Florian wrote: >> But the laptop is not running realtime linux is it? It has > sure it is... to clarify: this is not a "full" realtime or embedded linux, it's Redhat's RHEL 5 with their realtime kernel. Florian >> loads of potential latencies and stuff demanding the syste

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Florian
> But the laptop is not running realtime linux is it? It has sure it is... > loads of potential latencies and stuff demanding the system's > attention-- page swapping, program swapping, etc. So why would > you think that it would work on Linux without underruns? If > you wnat 1ms latencies, your c

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Bill Unruh
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Florian wrote: > Hi Bill, > > thanks for the replies. Yes, we are doing research on "ultra-low" > latencies with accompanying realtime Linux and realtime software. > With good PCI cards, our test synthesizer can run quite stable at > 8 samples per period (and 2 periods per buf

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Florian
Hi Bill, thanks for the replies. Yes, we are doing research on "ultra-low" latencies with accompanying realtime Linux and realtime software. With good PCI cards, our test synthesizer can run quite stable at 8 samples per period (and 2 periods per buffer) at 192KHz. Now for presentations we need to

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Florian
Hi Andrei, yes, I know that USB (especially 1.x) may transfer data in time slices of 1 ms or larger. I don't know exactly about USB 2.0, so I didn't want to rule it out. > Myself I tried several solutions, including terratec usb xs > sound card, and ended with echo indigo io. I think You should >

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-22 Thread Andrei M. Zaparii
22.02.08, 02:42, "Florian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > on our IBM/Lenovo T60 laptop, we want higher audio quality than > the built-in HD-Audio, especially low latency - in the range of 1 > millisecond or lower. > Can anyone recommend a PCCard/Cardbus soundcard, or possibly a > USB card sup

Re: [Alsa-user] Laptop soundcard recommendations?

2008-02-21 Thread Bill Unruh
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Florian wrote: > Hi, > > on our IBM/Lenovo T60 laptop, we want higher audio quality than > the built-in HD-Audio, especially low latency - in the range of 1 > millisecond or lower. > > Can anyone recommend a PCCard/Cardbus soundcard, or possibly a > USB card supported by alsa