[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)

2009-08-21 Thread Rocky Jones
> I offered three classes in a local Middle School after SS-1 was > launched. The details were posted in this letter: > http://128.54.16.15/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200602/msg00877.html As I > noted then, it was a great success: the idea of communicating with an > object pushed out of humanity's

[amsat-bb] Re: Suitsat-2 costs

2009-08-21 Thread Rocky Jones
Drew > > The launch cost for Suitsat-2 will be zero for AMSAT. Nothing paid by AMSAT > to Russia, nothing paid by AMSAT to NASA. Nothing. > > Launch cost for cubesats to LEO (600-800 km) is ~$70,000/kg. Suitsat-2 is > over 20kg. > > I'll let each individual decide whether they think that's a

[amsat-bb] Re: Semi-remoting the controller for a Yaesu G5400

2009-08-21 Thread Jim Walls
Lowell White wrote: > My Yaesu G-5400 rotor pair is about 150' from my shack. > > I am wanting to gauge the feasibility of putting the rotor controller within > 100' (due to on-hand control cable lengths) of the antennas (in a garage). > > I would then run a separate (on-hand) PC-controller cable

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)

2009-08-21 Thread Bruce Robertson
Bob has been cogent in his examiniation of several of the original points. I would like to chime in regarding the educational value of the SuitSat program, which has been denegrated by its opponents. I offered three classes in a local Middle School after SS-1 was launched. The details were posted

[amsat-bb] Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS, MM

2009-08-21 Thread MM
Hi Tim: Thank you for your comments. I am always open to new ideas and I welcome your questions and observations. I plan on posting some suggestions on how to use the Existing Hardware on ISS to try to please as many hams and SWL as possible. We can’t make everyone happy. I feel there has bee

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)

2009-08-21 Thread Bob Bruninga
> Don’t Fly Suit-Sat to the > International Space Station Nothing in amateur radio has ever been accomplished by the naysayers and armchair lawyers and wannabee's and dreamers that spend their time trying to tear down and stop what others are trying to accomplish. Amateur radio and ANY volunt

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Armando Mercado
Greetings, Two things to keep in mind. NASA (USA) is one of 20 plus countries that have a direct interest in the ISS. Second, the MIR space station was orginally intended to have a 5 year life span. It ended up flying for 15 years. 73 Armando N8IGJ >Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:39:40 -0700 (

[amsat-bb] Re: Difference between Yaesu G5400, G5600 and G5500

2009-08-21 Thread i8cvs
- Original Message - From: "PE0SAT" To: Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Difference between Yaesu G5400, G5600 and G5500 > > > I looked at Google but couldn't find the answer to this question. > > The reason for asking is? > > I have a 5600 controller and a G-400

[amsat-bb] Re: Suitsat-2 costs

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Lilley
Drew, Thanks to you and Martha for the information. Sounds like a great bargain to me. 73, Tim - N3TL From: Andrew Glasbrenner To: Amsat BB Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:58:28 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Suitsat-2 costs According to Martha, in 2009 we have sp

[amsat-bb] Re: FT897

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Lilley
Hey Randy, I use an FT-857 here, which is - for the most part - the same radio without the provision of an internal battery pack. It is not full-duplex-capable, so you'll need a separate receive radio. here, I use an FT-817ND. In terms of computer control, the programs I've tried (Ham Radio Del

[amsat-bb] Andre, ZS2ACP heard 7695 km via AO-7 Mode B

2009-08-21 Thread ps8rf ps8
Hello, Today in the orbit of number 59094 of AO-7 ( MODE B - 20:14:21 UTC - 21/08/2009). Could hear the Andre, ZS2ACP calling CQ and reporting signal to another station here in Brazil (PY5LF). Unfortunately I could not find the uplink, was prepared, but I missed the time to call it. Despite t

[amsat-bb] AO-51 V/S

2009-08-21 Thread David - KG4ZLB
Great pass at 22:43, thanks to John (K8YSE) and Al (W8KHP) for the contacts - its been a while since I worked mode V/S. Thanks to the team for scheduling these modes. 73 David -- David KG4ZLB www.kg4zlb.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opini

[amsat-bb] FT897

2009-08-21 Thread Randy
What do you all think of using a Yaesu FT-897 for satellite work? Randy - N2CUA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription setting

[amsat-bb] Suitsat-2 costs

2009-08-21 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
According to Martha, in 2009 we have spent a grand total of $12,361 on Suitsat-2. The 2008 files are not right at hand, but the expense was even less. In comparison we've spent more on ITAR legal help trying to free our volunteers to resume work on P3E. The launch cost for Suitsat-2 will be zer

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Rocky Jones
Bob > > Suitsat 2, even in its Suitless Sat version is not really designed for > more than toss out the door kind of lifetime. You can take my word for > it or not, I don't care if you do or not. I just claim it is so. It shouldnt be designed for much more then that...without propulsion the

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Bob McGwier
Almost this entire treatise is based on ignorance of the facts in my estimation so far as "AMSAT the satellite building" organization goes. Much more informed people than I can comment on the ARISS projects. I just enjoy what has been accomplished kin ARISS technically, educationally, etc.

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Rocky Jones
Bill...this is a great conversation and I can pick it up later but right now I need to head up to the ACDO (air carrier district office) and see what the latest plan is for the next airplane I am learning to fly. I am just getting back into that loop. > > But these are not costs to AMSAT (wh

[amsat-bb] Re: Semi-remoting the controller for a Yaesu G5400

2009-08-21 Thread bpn518
Hi Lowell, I think you need only 3 wires for one rotor, and 2 wires for the other (because you'd use the common hot from the first rotor). However, you wouldn't know meter reading for end of travel of the motor, and could damage the rotor. If you are using the remote tracker interface (such

[amsat-bb] Re: Difference between Yaesu G5400, G5600 and G5500

2009-08-21 Thread bpn518
Jan, Yes, add the C in the 5600 controller, and your old motors will work. I did that with mine, and I now also use the LVB tracker. Regards, Bennett ko2ok ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Bill Ress
Rocky Jones wrote: > Bill. > > The question is cost vrs value. Well, again that will have to be determined by each person using his or her values. As I stated in my post, I can see the "value" and gave you my reasons. Naturally, you open to disagree. > > First off there is almost nothing "f

[amsat-bb] Semi-remoting the controller for a Yaesu G5400

2009-08-21 Thread Lowell White
My Yaesu G-5400 rotor pair is about 150' from my shack. I am wanting to gauge the feasibility of putting the rotor controller within 100' (due to on-hand control cable lengths) of the antennas (in a garage). I would then run a separate (on-hand) PC-controller cable (fewer conductors as using the

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Rocky Jones
Bill. The question is cost vrs value. First off there is almost nothing "free" on the spacestation. The launch might be, but the devil is in the integration details and cost. I dont know what those were for Suitsat1 nor do I know what they are for Suitsat 2 (or sat without the suit)...but

[amsat-bb] Difference between Yaesu G5400, G5600 and G5500

2009-08-21 Thread PE0SAT
I looked at Google but couldn't find the answer to this question. The reason for asking is? I have a 5600 controller and a G-400 rotor and this isn't working because I think of the fact that there is no C between the two AC lines within the 5600 controller that supply the rotor with AC, and wit

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Bill Ress
Rocky, Your question regarding SuitSat costs are not unreasonable and I trust your question will be answered shortly. When you have the cost information what then? The likely next argument is whether the "investment" is a good one or a bad one. The PR argument is an abstract - hard to quantify

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Rocky Jones
> > Launch costs are about 80 to 90% of a project, and in the case of the > Suitsat2, practically 0%. We'd be foolish not to take that and run. > > 73, Drew KO4MA Drew. I am sure that the "launch cost" from NASA are zero. I bet that the integration cost are not. Is it an unreasonable quest

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Rocky Jones
Ben > > I would wager that if SuitlessSat2 goes up (and I pray that it does) it > will have much more use then AO-7 in the same time period. that assumes it works. The track record is "less" > > SuitSat was a major PR success for AMSAT and ARISS. More then a few > "hacker"/"maker" podcasts/

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Lilley
Amen ... to you and to Ben. Thanks to you both, Tim - N3TL From: Andrew Glasbrenner To: Ben Jackson ; Rocky Jones Cc: Amsat BB ; n...@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:09:12 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS Ben, well sai

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
Ben, well said! I think you'll find the same sentiments spreading across many of the BOD and officers over the last year or so. I expect the Symposium this year is where much will be explained. Launch costs are about 80 to 90% of a project, and in the case of the Suitsat2, practically 0%. We'd

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Ben Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rocky Jones wrote: > In my viewpoint the project is typical of what AMSAT NA has been > doing lately, which is a lot of ground development work on making > projects "advanced" all the while we rely on a satellite AO7 which we > apparently cannot build

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
Well, most of the BOD knows a roll in the mud when they see it. I sometimes lack that ability. No one has asked directly either, I'm busy enough that I don't read the -bb everyday. I'm working on getting an exact number, but it is at least an order of magnitude less than it would cost to build

[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

2009-08-21 Thread Rocky Jones
Timand others I would just like to know what Suitsat2 has cost so far and what it is likely to cost to get it to orbit including integration cost. In my viewpoint the project is typical of what AMSAT NA has been doing lately, which is a lot of ground development work on making projects "ad

[amsat-bb] Fwd: PARACHUTE MOBILE 1.2 GHz FM this Sunday 1280.225

2009-08-21 Thread Fabiano Moser
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[amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio

2009-08-21 Thread Nitin Muttin [VU3TYG]
Not sure if this will be having the functions of 910H. 73's Nitin [VU3TYG] - Original Message From: Simon HB9DRV To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio Date: 08/20/09 11:59 AM" > By the looks of the front panel I think it'll offer the sam

[amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio

2009-08-21 Thread Simon (HB9DRV)
By the looks of the front panel I think it'll offer the same features for satellites as the IC-910H. We should know a lot more after the weekend show in Japan. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: "John Geiger" > > Will it do full duplex for the sate