If anyone needs EL94 (Florida Keys), I will be in Islamorada this weekend with
my rig and Arrow antenna. Sadly, AO-51 will not be available in V/U mode, so
listen for me via AO-27, SO-50 and, if active, the ISS.
73, Bill NZ5N
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Hi from sunny Islamorada in the Florida Keys, EL94. Just waiting for SO-50 to
come on around to give a few more people this semi-rare grid. There was a pile
of QRM on both AO-27 passes this afternoon, but logged over 20 contacts. Good
to hear a lot of old friends in there.
Anyhow, back home
Howard,
With Erich's kind help, I was able to get SatPC32 working last week with 2
transceivers.
I had a similar problem with the SSB sats at first. I could not hear my
downlink while the program was controlling the frequencies on the 2 rigs. It
turned out that the issue was that the defaul
ink entry changes.
When you restart the program it will start with the calibrated uplink
frequency and no downlink correction."
--- On Fri, 5/15/09, Bill Dzurilla wrote:
> From: Bill Dzurilla
> Subject: Re: Satpc32 with 2 Transceivers
> To: amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org
> Date: Friday,
Very cool, my first homebrew project in 20 years appears to be a complete
success (knock on wood). For about $65, I was able to build a modified version
of the K8DAV U-100 Rotor controller, and now my Elk antenna turns automatically
and follows the satellites during each pass.
My particular r
Sebastian,
Don, W3AZD, lives less than a mile from me, just off the Nob Hill Rd. exit
(Exit 3) on I-595 in Broward. He is an ARRL checker and would be happy to
check your cards. Tell him I sent you.
73, Bill NZ5N (now in Europe as OM9ACA)
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One other important thing to remember about SO-50. Unlike AO-51 and AO-27, it
does not transmit a carrier. You won't hear any noise unless someone is
transmitting. You can't just wave your antenna around and peak for maximum on
a carrier. So unless you are running full duplex and can hear yo
I have for sale an SSB Electronics SP-2000 Superamp mast-mounted GaAsFET
preamp, 1 1/2 years old. Rated at 200w VOX, 750w PTT. It has Hi-Q helical coils
& helical filters and is one of the best preamps for DXing, satellites, meteor
scatter, and EME. More info at:
http://www.ssbusa.com/gaasfet.ht
In case anyone missed me last year, I'll again be taking by HT and Arrow
antenna to Jamaica this weekend. It's a business trip so I can't predict when
I'll be on, but arriving Friday afternoon and leaving Monday noon. Please send
s.a.s.e. if you work me and want a QSL, or use LOTW/eQSL.
73, B
I was on this morning for the AO-51 passes at 6am and 7:40am local time but did
not hear the bird at all. Guess there must be some problem with my HT or the
Arrow antenna. Sorry, folks.
73 from Jamaica,
Bill NZ5N
--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Bill Dzurilla wrote:
> From: Bill Dzurilla
> S
lem with my HT
> or the Arrow antenna. Sorry, folks.
>
> 73 from Jamaica,
> Bill NZ5N
>
> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Bill Dzurilla
> wrote:
>
> > From: Bill Dzurilla
> > Subject: NZ5N on this weekend from Jamaica FK18
> > To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> > C
7.7
2009-12-14 13:30:13 SAUDISAT 1C (SO-50) 213.1 4.1 13.1 2637 126.8 23.5
2009-12-14 13:36:18 SAUDISAT 1C (SO-50) 294.4 57.7 10.5 790 127.6 24.6
2009-12-14 13:42:20 SAUDISAT 1C (SO-50) 16.9 4.0 12.9 2607 128.5 25.7
--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Bill Dzurilla wrote:
> From: Bill
Hello and Merry Christmas,
I have an ARR SP432VDG preamp, which is mast-mounted to an Elk antenna in my
attic. This set-up has worked well until today, when I did not hear any sats
with 70cm downlink.
I then tried to see if I could bring up the local 70cm repeaters.
Interestingly, I could key
I've been enjoying the posts regarding our last HEO satellite, AO-40. I was
inactive while AO-40 was going strong, but the posts brought back memories of
our first HEO, OSCAR 10, my first experience with satellites until a couple of
years ago. You can't find much about the glory days of AO-10
Hi,
I did not see any passes for America on the schedule. Does this mean the bird
is off over America until a new schedule is posted? I tried SO-67 for the
first time over the weekend and was impressed.
73, Bill NZ5N
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:08:10 +0100
> From: "Ib Christoff
Thanks Drew and Rick.
--- On Mon, 2/7/11, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> From: Andrew Glasbrenner
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-67 on over Europe this week.
> To: "Bill Dzurilla"
> Cc: "amsat-bb@amsat.org"
> Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 7:28 PM
> So
Zach,
I use a single 2' long Elk antenna with 15 degrees fixed elevation. It works
well. See photos at: http://www.myhamshack.com/NZ5N/Pictures/.
Some suggest 20 or even 30 degrees fixed elevation but that's too much. You
want low fixed elevation so you will have good gain on sats when they
At long last, the IC-9100 received FCC approval last week, so it may finally be
hitting the market. I talked to an ICOM rep at the Orlando hamfest on
Saturday, and she said they still do not have any in the USA. There are photos
on the ICOM website. Still no official word on price, but it won
Hi,
I just upload several hundred sat contacts to LOTW. Many matches were
returned, BUT many of them were credited for "VUCC 144 mhz" or "VUCC 432 mhz"
and NOT for "VUCC Satellite", which is how they should be credited.
Does this mean that the person on the other side of the QSO did not proper
Thanks, Patrick,, I have already sent an email to LOTW. If the other station
failed to include Propagation Mode or Satellite Name, there should be no match
at all. There is no basis for me to be credited with a 144mhz or 432 mhz grid.
I spent a lot of time going through my log before uploading
?
To: "Bill Dzurilla" , amsat-bb@amsat.org
Date: Monday, February 21, 2011, 2:30 PM
Patrick, I mentioned to Bill earlier, off group, that three of
my confirmed QSL's are blank in the "VUCC" column. What could have caused that?
Leaving out Propagation=SAT, maybe? Also on
Instead of having people make donations to pick a name, what about selling
corporate naming rights? Corporations pay mega-millions for stadium naming
rights, we have corporate names on other aeronautical objects (e.g., the
Goodyear Blimp), and even schools are thinking about selling naming righ
I was giving a presentation at our club meeting called Working DX on the
Satellites and afterwards someone had a good question: is it at all possible
that tropo, skip, or other form of enhanced propagation can enable a contact
via a satellite below the horizon?
It has never happened to me. Has
I recommend the HRD support forum at http://forums.ham-radio.ch/.
The author of the program and several knowledgeable people are usually quick to
respond.
The first thing they will ask you is the version and build of HRD you are
using, and they will suggest you upgrade to the latest, if you hav
One more SO-67 question. Why is there an echo on the downlink? Usually I hear
someone talking and then hear the same words a second or two later, but much
louder.
73, Bill NZ5N
> Is SO-67 operating on the published frequencies
> (145.870/435.345) or
> does one of up/down need an adjustment?
>
Hi Ted,
I also use the FT-60. Since it is not full duplex, I do not use headphones and
just have a small recorder hanging from my neck. It picks up my voice and
sounds from the radio. If you want to use headphones, I suppose you could use
a T adapter and plug both the phones and the recorder
I've been using SatPC32 to track the ham satellites. Lately I've also been
trying EME (moonbounce). Does anyone know if SatPC32 can track the moon as
well as the amateur satellites? If yes, how is this done?
73, Bill NZ5N
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Welcome back to the sats. I did not hear the pass you mentioned, but typically
AO-51 is very busy on mid-day passes, even more so on weekends. The early
morning passes are usually better. Of the FM birds, AO-51 is the busiest,
AO-27 is a bit less busy, and SO-50 is usually not very busy. SO-
It sounds like you when you are hearing your distorted voice it is some
cross-mod from your own radio rather than a downlink signal from the bird. I
assume you are using a diplexer to split the coax from the Elk to 2m and 70cm,
and then running coax to each output on the TS-2000? The diplexer
In attempting to make a list of ham equipment I have owned in the past, I
recalled with fondness a surplus cavity bandpass filter I used with OSCAR 10.
At the time, in the 1980s, these were cheap and quite popular with satellite
users. I was living in downtown New Orleans, and the filter, whic
Hi,
I'll be at the S. Florida DX Club picnic today (Sunday) for the AO-27 pass at
around 1350 Eastern time (1750Z).
If you hear me, please call and say hello to the gang.
73, Bill NZ5N
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Here is the mod to change Yaesu rotors to 220v:
http://www.hamcity.com/store/pc/catalog/pdf/220vconversion.pdf
But perhaps yours has a different transformer if it uses pin 3 for 117v. In
the mod, pins 0 and 3 are for 220v.
73, Bill NZ5N
> Subject: [amsat-bb] G5500 change voltage supply
>
> I
The pdf say "G5500" in handwriting and I know a guy who says he did this mod on
a G5500. But obviously the KT-30 must be a different transformer.
73, Bill
--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Dee wrote:
> From: Dee
> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: G5500 change voltage supply
> To: "&#x
Those Landwehrs are great preamps. I had an issue similar to Mark's, except it
was the transmit side of the Tohtsu relay that had the problem. I could
receive fine but had high SWR during TX. Unlike Mark, I did risk a shot of
spray, which didn't cure the problem. But then ran a sheet of pape
The AMSAT board is not the best place for info about EME. Try Moon Net,
register at http://mailman.pe1itr.com/mailman/listinfo/moon-net.
You can find info for EME beginners at:
http://www.vhfdx.info/jt65bintro.html
and
http://www.n1bug.net/operate/emebasic.html
This is a good weekend for EME, b
Hi folks,
I am leaving this Thursday for my annual 7-week trip to Slovakia, grid locator
JN88mf. My Slovak call has been changed to OM3BD. I will be active on the
sats. North American stations, if you did not work me last year, please
contact me for OSCAR 7 mode B skeds, if we will have any
ce between 0 and 2.
73, Bill NZ5N/OM3BD
PS - I am now QRV from OM land on HF but not yet on the sats, due to some
antenna problems.
--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bill Dzurilla wrote:
> From: Bill Dzurilla
> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: G5500 change voltage supply
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.or
Hi,
I brought a G5500 with me to Europe and have it up and running. The elevation
rotor is working as it should. The azimuth rotor turns the antenna left and
right as it should when the button is pressed, but the readout on the
controller is not working. When I turned on the controller, the
Thanks to all who have emailed and requested skeds with me from JN88 in
Slovakia. After a series of rig and antenna issues, I am now back on the sats,
with several QSOs today with good reports.
I will try to make a test AO-7 run tomorrow when I have a common footprint with
North America. If a
Nice pass, I heard my downlink while the footprint was over Illinois and North
Carolina, but no one replied to me. Maybe I'll have better luck later.
73, Bill
--- On Fri, 7/8/11, Bill wrote:
> From: Bill
> Subject: Re: OM3BD now qrv, AO7 to N. America in one hour
> To:
I have set up here at the OM7M Contest Club and just made my first contacts
from JN98ep on FO-29. Listen for me over the weekend, especially for the AO-7
passes on Sunday morning with a window to the USA.
Also, if you work HF, we are participating in the IARU Contest using the call
OM1HQ. Hop
I'm going to make a portable AO-7 satellite attempt this Tuesday July 10 from
JN88na, at the spot where Slovakia, Hungary, and Austria touch each other.
Prior to 1989, this was part of the Iron Curtain, where the Communist regimes
in Czechoslovakia and Hungary tried to keep their people from go
Thanks to all who worked me or tried to work me today from the
Slovakia/Hungary/Austria joint border. It was fun, but a lot of work for just
seven contacts.
I had wanted to work from this spot for several years. I used to work in
Bratislava, Slovakia, live in Rajka, Hungary, and have dinner i
I am monitoring the K4FK repeater via Echolink, node 581415, if anyone wants to
talk prior to the AO-7 pass, which will be 20 minutes from now.
73, Bill
--- On Thu, 7/14/11, Bill Dzurilla wrote:
> From: Bill Dzurilla
> Subject: OM3BD QRV AO-7 next pass 0925Z July 14
> To: amsat-bb@
Only worked KB1RVT on this pass, recording of the pass at:
www.qsl.net/nz5n/HRD 2011-07-14 052505.mp3
There was some construction nearby and you can hear distortion every time the
jackhammer was going.
I'll try again Saturday.
73, Bill
--- On Thu, 7/14/11, Bill Dzurilla wrote:
> Fr
Anyone in N. America up early for AO-7 Mode B try? On the next pass starting
about 0925Z, my footprint will extend deep into N. America, Minnesota to the
west and Georgia to the south. Look for me on the top portion of the passband,
145.959 or so. Signals were very strong on the last pass, an
Sorry, bad link, should be:
http://www.qsl.net/nz5n/HRD%202011-07-16%20052111.mp3
--- On Sat, 7/16/11, Bill Dzurilla wrote:
> From: Bill Dzurilla
> Subject: OM3BD recording of Saturday AO-7 pass
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 5:59 AM
> Good conditions
Good conditions this morning on AO-7. Worked 10 stations, including KD8CAO,
WB8TGY, and K8YSE.
Recording of the North America pass at:
www.qsl.net/HRD 2011-07-16 052111.mp3
73, Bill OM3BD/NZ5N JN88mf
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EL41 is not in the USA so, unless the guy was maritime mobile or portable in
Mexico, I think the grid is incorrect.
73, Bill NZ5N
>Hi Jon, N4NAB
>In the above conditions if you cannot ear the full call letter and locator
>the QSO is not valid !
>73" de
>i8CVS Domenico
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Hi,
I'm looking to buy a clean FT-847 in 100% working condition. If you have one
for sale, please let me know your price. Might also consider a TS-2000.
73, Bill NZ5N
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I just checked the CAMSAT page at http://www.camsat.cn/ to get the latest
schedule for HO-68, but all it shows is 12/28 through early 1/03. Is there any
source for an updated schedule?
73, Bill NZ5N
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Anyone know how to load HO-68 qsos to LOTW? I keep getting Invalid Satellite
Name error.
73,
Bill NZ5N
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Dave,
I would be suspicious of the construction. I can get a few minutes of good
copy from AO-51 on a high pass with just a rubber duck on an HT. If you do get
a preamp, the run between the antenna and the preamp is critical, so if
possible keep it short and use good coax. Ed seems to be hav
Ed,
Congrats, it seems like you are in business if you heard the bird down to the
horizon. HO-68 is louder, in some cases much louder, than most of the other
sats, so check some others. If you can copy SO-50 to the horizon, then leave
your antenna alone, it's working great.
I measured a maxi
I tried to work FO-29 for the first time since it started working again but
must be doing something wrong. I could hear several stations loud and clear
but could not hear my own downlink. My radio is working fine with the other
sats, so it must be someone particular to FO-29. Did perhaps the
Alan,
Thank you very much for your great work with HO-68 and for your effort to solve
the voice/packet problem.
I do not entirely follow the schedule, however. Does "Digital Transponder"
mean packet? Where it says:
> 14 Mar. 2010, Digital Transponder
>
> 16:4
Hi,
After some upgrades to my sat station, I am able to work western Europe on AO-7
Mode B. There is usually at least one 2-minute window to Europe/Africa on each
Mode B day. So far, my best DX is 7438 km with Eric PA1TNO.
Please email me if you would like to make a sked, or listen for me if
Hi folks,
Since starting my effort to work Europe on AO-7, I've found that the very low
elevation sigs vary significantly on different
passes. Some mornings I can easily hear my downlink and start working
Europe at 0.7 degrees elevation, while other days I can't hear myself
until 5 degrees el
So, folks, does anyone have any thoughts or comments about this issue?
73, Bill NZ5N
--- On Sun, 4/4/10, Bill Dzurilla wrote:
From: Bill Dzurilla
Subject: AO-7 Mode C? (Or other reason for varying signal strength?)
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 10:52 PM
Hi folks,
Since
Reid,
I emailed the ARRL and was told not to expect HO-68 support anytime soon, as
they are "too busy working on the new web page" to update the software.
73, Bill NZ5N
> From: Reid Crowe
> Subject: [amsat-bb] LoTW Support of HO-68
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Message-ID: <4bc225b3.8090...@gma
Any thoughts on the pros and cons of each of these rigs, particularly for
satellite work? The used price for each is about the same, maybe a little
higher for a fairly new TS-2000. I am aware of the TS-2000 birdie issue.
73, Bill NZ5N
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I'm at work and not QRV, but I had no problem copying them with a single 12 el.
yagi leaned again the chair when they did the test a couple of weeks ago, and
most everyone else gave them good reports. At the time, they were running 50w,
a barefoot Kenwood TS-2000. They must have changed rigs i
> Is anyone using a USB to Serial converter successfully to
> control a FT847??
>
>
>
> Frank VK5KV..
>
Yes, I am. No problems here (knock on wood) with an eBay cheapie (just $2
shipped) and a Dell Optiplex running Windows XP.
73, Bill NZ5N
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We are leaving today for Europe and of course I waited until the last minute to
take down my Arrow antenna, which has been mounted outside for about a year.
But, when I attempted to unscrew the elements, they would not budge, even after
receiving a big dose of WD-40. And the elements are not t
Thanks to all who responded. It
is an ELK, NOT Arrow, that is stuck. I am now in
Europe with no antenna, will try to get on the sats anyway somehow.
At least one day, I will work AO-7 from the spot where Slovakia, Hungary, and
Austria touch together, thus 3 countries for one qso.
73, Bill NZ
Hi,
I am in Slovakia, grid JN88mf, for 3 more weeks and would like to make a few
more trans-Atlantic sat QSOs before I leave. The windows are very short but it
is doable.
I have already worked Nick KB1RVT and Scott N1AIA via FM on HO-68. I have
twice heard Joe K3SZH on AO-7 SSB with a good s
Anyone know of a source for the 5-pin male power connector for a Landwehr
preamp?
73, Bill NZ5N
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I have not operated HO-68 for several months. Today I tried to navigate to
camsat.cn to get the latest schedule for the bird, but instead the site was
blocked by my Firefox browser with the message, "Warning: Visiting this site
may harm your computer! The website at www.camsat.cn appears to hos
Dave,
It depends to an extent on the composition of your roof. I did not get good
results from the attic, but others have. Give it a try if you have no other
choice.
A couple of people have mentioned fixed elevation at 30 degrees. If you go
this route, I would recommend just 15-20 degrees o
Finally! Just activated this morning. Go to your LOTW account, click on
Awards, and in the lower left hand corner you will see Create New VUCC Award
Account. Create the account and you will immediately see your confirmed
satellite (and other VHF-UHF) grids.
73, Bill NZ5N
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Hi,
I picked up an old Kansas City Tracker, circa 1990, and was wondering if there
is any way to use it with a modern computer. It is designed to plug into the
ISA slot of a PC. I don't know much about computers, but my understanding is
not modern computers no longer have ISA slots. Could it
billdz@yahoo.com.
73, Bill
--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Alan P. Biddle wrote:
> From: Alan P. Biddle
> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Kansas City Tracker with a modern computer?
> To: "'Bill Dzurilla'" , amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 7:39 AM
> Bill,
And what about HO-68? I also asked a year ago and got the same answer that Joe
did. But it still seems impossible to upload HO-68 QSOs to LOTW, comes back as
"Invalid".
73, Bill NZ5N
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:15:08 -0600
> From: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield"
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re
I have for sale the Kansas City Tracker board complete with the interface
cable. $60 shipped CUSA. It moves your rotor automatically to track the orbit
of a satellite. Only works with older computers. Info at
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/catalog/kct/.
73, Bill NZ5N
billdz@yahoo.com
Never mind, LOTW already works with HO-68, just needed to update my config.tq6
file. Thanks to all who replied.
73, Bill
--- On Fri, 1/21/11, Bill Dzurilla wrote:
> From: Bill Dzurilla
> Subject: Re: restating LOTW question *** HO-68?
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Date: Friday
I agree with Jack and Tim, LOTW is great (albeit more complicated than it needs
to be).
For those who do not like the fees and complexities of LOTW, I'd like to remind
everyone of eQSL, which is a cheaper and simpler supplement to LOTW. It's
simpler because most logging programs will automatic
Hi folks,
Have not been working the sats much recently, been playing around on EME with a
new antenna. I recently discovered the FUNcube Dongle, a nice little gadget
that was developed by AMSAT-UK for satellites, but it also makes EME reception
a lot easier.
The FCD is a 64 mhz to 1700 mhz a
The video is also at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac3jDILGKmg. The link
below only works if your browser can play swf (flash) files.
73, Bill
- Original Message -
> From: Bill Dzurilla
> To: "amsat-bb@amsat.org"
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:04
Americans don't appreciate the vastness of the Pacific. I remember when a
colleague was leaving my firm in New Orleans to move to Guam. She said the
flight would take 24 hours. I said, "Why 24 hours? My flight to Hawaii was
only 11 hours, and Guam is right next to Hawaii." However, Guam is
I am back in Slovakia, grid locator JN88mf this summer and qrv AO-7. Any North
American stations in range who did not catch me last year, please try again,
email me for skeds. It seems that the orbits have somehow shifted and my
windows to North America are a bit longer this year, and from my
Wyatt did all the heavy lifting for this unique, perhaps record-setting QSO.
He woke up at 3am, drove to a portable hilltop location, and set up his
station. All I had to do was sip my coffee and give him a signal report. The
QSO was remarkably easy, we talked to each other for over a minute
I am pleased to report that Wyatt AC0RA and I broke the AO7 world record today
with a GPS-measured 7849km QSO between JN88 and EN31 at 0955Z. Recordings of
the 40 second QSO will be posted to my web page, see www.qsl.net/nz5n (I tried
to attach but it seems attachments not allowed on this board)
I am pleased to report that Wyatt AC0RA and I broke the AO7 world record today
with a GPS-measured 7849km QSO between JN88 and EN31 at 0955Z. A recording of
the 40 second QSO is attached.
Wyatt did all the hard work by waking up at 3am, driving to a hill an hour away
from his home, setting up
Thanks to Bob and to all others who replied.
Recordings, photos, and info now up at
http://www.qsl.net/nz5n/AO7record.htm
although I still need to crop and resize some photos.
73, Bill
>
> From: Bob- W7LRD
>To: Bill Dzurilla
>Cc: AMSAT BB
&
The 7849km AO-7 world record set by AC0RA and I on July 2 lasted less than 48
hours. Wyatt once again woke up early and this time drove 150 miles to
EN41ad. We had a 30 second QSO at 0949Z to extend the record to 7903.55km.
Thanks, Wyatt, this has been fun.
Recordings, pictures, and further
Works well, excellent condition, ver. 1.1, serial no. 3752. $150 shipped CUSA.
73, Bill NZ5N
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Works well, excellent condition, ver. 1.1, serial no. 3752. $150 shipped CUSA,
check or Paypal OK. For more info, see
http://www.funcubedongle.com/?page_id=1057. I made a video of this unit in
action, see http://qsl.net/nz5n/funcube.htm.
73, Bill NZ5N
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