[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-29 Thread don
Hi Greg, Sorry to say this, but your analogy to just another component is plain wrong. The vocoder cannot be replaced by another generic component as far as I can ascertain. I cant' even find the algorithms that would allow me to program a DSPIC or fpga at home in my meager lab to

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-29 Thread Gregg Wonderly
On 4/29/2011 3:23 AM, don wrote: Hi Greg, Sorry to say this, but your analogy to just another component is plain wrong. The vocoder cannot be replaced by another generic component as far as I can ascertain. I cant' even find the algorithms that would allow me to program a DSPIC or

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-28 Thread Gregg Wonderly
One of the ways to look at the voice codec is as a capacitor, amplifier or some other component of you circuit design. Sure, it's single source, but if you are careful about how you put it in, you can provide a switched circuit, daughter board or some other path to alternative codecs. It just

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star -to- A-STAR Gateway

2011-04-28 Thread Tony Langdon
At 06:38 AM 4/29/2011, Bob Bruninga wrote: Tell that to the likes of G4KLX, KI4LKF, the ircDDB team, PA4YBR, the designers and builders of various GMSK modems, and even AA4RC and Moe, who designed the DV Dongle hardware... The real thing that would explode D-star onto the world stage would

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-27 Thread Gregg Wonderly
So as every followup seems to have detailed, there is an increase in desired bandwidth with a direct need in required spectrum. If we can reduce spectrum, we increase distance the signal can transit. If we increase bandwidth for a particular size spectrum, we improve the amount of information

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-27 Thread Eric Christensen
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 09:00 -0500, Gregg Wonderly wrote: This is one of those experimentation moments. Not everyone is happy with where it is at, but without some more participation, those experimenting now will be the ones setting the standards, and if you are not happy with those

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-27 Thread Tony Langdon
At 11:33 AM 4/28/2011, you wrote: I'd like to point out that it's difficult, at best, to participate when you can't roll your own. There are many codecs available out there today that don't require purchasing a license to use. The biggest problem right now is that D-Star isn't backward

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-27 Thread Ben Jackson
On 04/27/2011 09:33 PM, Eric Christensen wrote: On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 09:00 -0500, Gregg Wonderly wrote: This is one of those experimentation moments. Not everyone is happy with where it is at, but without some more participation, those experimenting now will be the ones setting the

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-25 Thread Ben Jackson
On 4/23/2011 2:42 PM, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: On Sat, 2011-04-23 at 10:42 -0500, Gregg Wonderly wrote: In the end, digital compression of spectrum space is going to happen more and more. AM style broadcast is hugely inefficient even though it is painfully Okay, but *why*? Why are we so

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-24 Thread Art McBride
Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:33 PM To: Gregg Wonderly; Gordon JC Pearce Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star At 01:42 AM 4/24/2011, Gregg Wonderly wrote: In the end

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-24 Thread Sebastian
Never heard of WSJT? Amateurs who are serious about weak signal work have been using that for years, for both terrestrial communications, and moonbounce on VHF and above. And it's also being used quite often now on HF. 10 meters is good example. When propagation doesn't allow for SSB,

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-24 Thread Diane Bruce
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 02:36:37PM -0400, Sebastian wrote: Never heard of WSJT? Never heard of it. - 73 Diane VA3DB -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-24 Thread Edward R. Cole
At 11:18 AM 4/24/2011, Diane Bruce wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 02:36:37PM -0400, Sebastian wrote: Never heard of WSJT? Never heard of it. - 73 Diane VA3DB -- Diane, I'm surprised as involved in mw as you are. Here is a link to the software: http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/ Joe

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-24 Thread i8cvs
- Original Message - From: Edward R. Cole kl...@acsalaska.net To: Diane Bruce d...@db.net Cc: amsat-bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 9:49 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star The prime mode for 2m eme is now JT-65; CW has been largely replaced. 73, Ed - KL7UW

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-24 Thread Tony Langdon
At 07:43 AM 4/25/2011, i8cvs wrote: I am anxious about that because even on EME very soon nobody will be able to use by hand a CW key and copy Morse Code by ears. I don't think Morse is in any danger. I've seen an increase in interest since the compulsory Morse exams were dropped in this part

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-24 Thread Edward R. Cole
At 01:43 PM 4/24/2011, i8cvs wrote: - Original Message - From: Edward R. Cole kl...@acsalaska.net To: Diane Bruce d...@db.net Cc: amsat-bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 9:49 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star The prime mode for 2m eme is now JT-65; CW has been

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-23 Thread Tony Langdon
At 07:33 PM 4/23/2011, you wrote: The chips are readily available at a few hundred dollars apiece, and if you attempt to implement your own AMBE codec then you're going to have DVSI's lawyers jumping on you. More like $20 apiece in small (possible 1 off) quantities. Proprietary software has no

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-23 Thread Gordon JC Pearce
On Sat, 2011-04-23 at 20:00 +1000, Tony Langdon wrote: At 07:33 PM 4/23/2011, you wrote: The chips are readily available at a few hundred dollars apiece, and if you attempt to implement your own AMBE codec then you're going to have DVSI's lawyers jumping on you. More like $20 apiece in

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-23 Thread Gregg Wonderly
In the end, digital compression of spectrum space is going to happen more and more. AM style broadcast is hugely inefficient even though it is painfully simple to do. I don't really believe that D-Star is the right choice for everything because it is single source. But, so is Microsoft

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-23 Thread Gordon JC Pearce
On Sat, 2011-04-23 at 10:42 -0500, Gregg Wonderly wrote: In the end, digital compression of spectrum space is going to happen more and more. AM style broadcast is hugely inefficient even though it is painfully Okay, but *why*? Why are we so obsessed with squeezing bandwidth down and down,

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-23 Thread Tony Langdon
At 01:42 AM 4/24/2011, Gregg Wonderly wrote: In the end, digital compression of spectrum space is going to happen more and more. AM style broadcast is hugely inefficient even though it is painfully simple to do. I don't really believe that D-Star is the right choice for everything because it is

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-23 Thread Tony Langdon
At 04:42 AM 4/24/2011, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: On Sat, 2011-04-23 at 10:42 -0500, Gregg Wonderly wrote: In the end, digital compression of spectrum space is going to happen more and more. AM style broadcast is hugely inefficient even though it is painfully Okay, but *why*? Why are we so

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-22 Thread Clint Bradford
... They shouldn't be allowed to sell them for use on the amateur bands. Aren't secret codes illegal? I didn't know that the transmission of one's callsign and GPS coordinates was illegal ... And of course it isn't. ... it's not really amateur radio ... It seems you do not like this mode

[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-22 Thread Gordon JC Pearce
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 12:29 -0700, Clint Bradford wrote: ... They shouldn't be allowed to sell them for use on the amateur bands. Aren't secret codes illegal? I didn't know that the transmission of one's callsign and GPS coordinates was illegal ... And of course it isn't. No, but