Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-04 Thread NoWhereMan
NoWhereMan wrote: > Youness Alaoui wrote: >> Ok, I just did a quick test, with my contact list of 76 contacts... > [...] > ok, I guess you're still talking about the one in guicontactlist.tcl > I've noticed that hovering the contacts is much slower here than in > the old one ok, after last checkou

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-04 Thread NoWhereMan
Youness Alaoui wrote: > Ok, I just did a quick test, with my contact list of 76 contacts... [...] ok, I guess you're still talking about the one in guicontactlist.tcl I've noticed that hovering the contacts is much slower here than in the old one: if I quickly pass mouse vertically through several

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-04 Thread Youness Alaoui
Ok, I just did a quick test, with my contact list of 76 contacts... I had 66 offline contacts, I expand/collapse the offline group, it's instantenuous, the old CL does it at the same speed, now I open my task manager, set the update speed to High, then do it again, the old CL has a peak of 32%

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-04 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hi Karel, Thanks for taking the time to write us. About clgui.tcl, yes, that's the 3rd one.. the design is good because of the snit OO thing, but I don't know about bg image or performance. about the old/new cl that burger started, I don't know either about the performance, but I think that burg

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-04 Thread Karel Demeyer
I didn't get the other mails (because of my spam filter I think) but I see Phil calling me a liar :p What I said is that the one I made with snit objects (clgui.tcl) doesn't support and never will support background images. But, I think this is a better design then the guicontactlist.tcl one (the

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Youness Alaoui
wooow.. wait! there are THREE new CLs... lol, the one that burger did with a canvas (that was almost functional), then the one Karel did with snit objects (as a proof of concept), then the one Tom did with a 'very nice ui'... At first, I was talking about the one done by burger with a canvas and

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread capricious . falcon
On 12/3/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hum... so Karel is a liar... he said me we can't add a background on your new CL... Well, it's a canvas, so you can. At the momnent it uses a scalable-bg, but it could easily be changed so it's just an image whatever. A good

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Hum... so Karel is a liar... he said me we can't add a background on your new CL... Well... So maybe it's a bad choice I did... Why Youness isn't here ? :d Well... Which CL will we choose ? Phil Le Sunday 03 December 2006 19:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > On 12/3/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread capricious . falcon
On 12/3/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are using the newCL from guicontactlist done originally by Karel -> look at all my commits on it :p Okay! And the contact list in contactlist.tcl can't include a background... It can and does, but the question is academic

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
We are using the newCL from guicontactlist done originally by Karel -> look at all my commits on it :p And the contact list in contactlist.tcl can't include a background... Phil Le Sunday 03 December 2006 19:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > Hold on a minute everyone, which contact list are we us

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread capricious . falcon
Hold on a minute everyone, which contact list are we using? There's two "new" ones, the one originally made (by Burger to start with, I think) which is in guicontactlist.tcl and the one I made in contactlist.tcl. (you can see this by doing pack forget main.tcl;source contactlist.tcl;pack [contactl

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
It's about drag and drop of the contacts across the CL... Phil Le Sunday 03 December 2006 18:49, NoWhereMan a écrit : > NoWhereMan wrote: > > Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote: > >>> how can I see your progresses with the new CL ? I'm curious :D what > >>> do I have to type in the status log? > >> >

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread capricious . falcon
Yeah, think its referring to when dragging contacts. On 12/3/06, NoWhereMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: NoWhereMan wrote: > Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote: >>> how can I see your progresses with the new CL ? I'm curious :D what >>> do I have to type in the status log? >> >> If it makes you feel

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread NoWhereMan
NoWhereMan wrote: > Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote: >>> how can I see your progresses with the new CL ? I'm curious :D what >>> do I have to type in the status log? >> >> If it makes you feeling coding : guiContactList::createCLWindow > > I guess it still won't, but who knows :D I see this t

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread NoWhereMan
Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote: >> how can I see your progresses with the new CL ? I'm curious :D what >> do I have to type in the status log? > > If it makes you feeling coding : >>> guiContactList::createCLWindow I guess it still won't, but who knows :D --

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Boris Faure (aka billiob)
> how can I see your progresses with the new CL ? I'm curious :D what do I > have to type in the status log? If it makes you feeling coding : ::guiContactList::createCLWindow -- Boris FAURE (aka billiob) mail, msn : [EMAIL PROTECTED] No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread NoWhereMan
Youness Alaoui wrote: > By the way, we are STILL going to move to the new canvas CL in the > trunk. I understand your points Tom, but we can't wait forever for > tkhtml, maybe amsn will be dead by that time, maybe it's gonna be in > 5 years and you won't even be here to implement it, who knows... I

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread NoWhereMan
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Problem is, you can't just float the right hand panel, > because then the left hand panel will go BEHIND it hehe, You can float them both ;) btw, until you have a working tkhtml this discussion is useless XD bye ---

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread capricious . falcon
On 12/3/06, NoWhereMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT,htext and our ultimate goal

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread NoWhereMan
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT,htext and our ultimate goal On 12/2/06, NoWhereMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Youness Alaoui
Yeah, that, I disagree, if we hire new people, they shouldn't know about the reward until they willingly join us... I don't want money to be the center of attraction either. Now stop talking about money, it gets on my nerve, just code and shut up. Thx :p p.s.: this also means that no, we won't a

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Youness Alaoui
sure we will review it, the 'time spent' is only an indicator to help us, but the $$$ will be based on how we judge the diff... it could be a one line diff, but we know it took hours to find which line to modify, or it could be a 100 lines diff, but it's a 5 minutes find and replace, it's not

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Tom Hennigan
On 3 Dec 2006, at 10:29, Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote: >> My commits doesn't deserve money. > > My commits don't deserve money. > Ditto, I'd like to keep my commits free. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Le Sunday 03 December 2006 11:28, Boris Faure (aka billiob) a écrit : > On 12/3/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hum... > > We should review the code of the commit because if someone does shit I > > don't want to pay him :p > > Do you think of me ?? :D Not of you...

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Boris Faure (aka billiob)
> My commits doesn't deserve money. My commits don't deserve money. -- Boris FAURE (aka billiob) mail, msn : [EMAIL PROTECTED] No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly agitated. --

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Boris Faure (aka billiob)
On 12/3/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hum... > We should review the code of the commit because if someone does shit I don't > want to pay him :p Do you think of me ?? :D > By the way, I want to be clear all the work I do for aMSN is free... > (I don't want to specify

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Hum... We should review the code of the commit because if someone does shit I don't want to pay him :p By the way, I want to be clear all the work I do for aMSN is free... (I don't want to specify it at each commit :p) Maybe if some day I need cash I will review my position... But for now that's

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread majinsoftware
Yea but there should be one for adding these new feature, a pot or something what ever you want to call it that will be dived among the people that add the features and do the work. Be best to put it with the ad for needed experts that will help with the coding, maby on the main page or an announ

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-03 Thread Boris Faure (aka billiob)
There's already a donate button. On 12/3/06, majinsoftware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cant be any harm putting an ad on the website, could also put a donate > button or something so that there is more money for the developers. Cant do > much typing burnt my left hand working on my car today. > >

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-02 Thread majinsoftware
Cant be any harm putting an ad on the website, could also put a donate button or something so that there is more money for the developers. Cant do much typing burnt my left hand working on my car today. - Take Surveys. Earn Ca

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-02 Thread Youness Alaoui
Ok, now, I'm waiting for the new CL to be the new official one in SVN. rewards in $$$ will be given for every commit based on the difficulty of the bug fix or new feature, and the time spent implementing it. So please provide an estimate of how much time you spent on the commit and put that in

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-02 Thread capricious . falcon
On 12/2/06, NoWhereMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You're going to put the new contact list in officially? Sounds scary :P It looked s much cooler! > control how elements are resized better than CSS can (CSS can only define > width/he

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-02 Thread capricious . falcon
On 12/1/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: By the way, we are STILL going to move to the new canvas CL in the trunk. I understand your points Tom, but we can't wait forever for tkhtml, maybe amsn will be dead by that time, maybe it's gonna be in 5 years and you won't even be here to i

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-02 Thread NoWhereMan
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You're going to put the new contact list in officially? Sounds scary :P It looked s much cooler! > control how elements are resized better than CSS can (CSS can only define > width/height of things by > EITHER percentage or pixel/em/i

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-01 Thread Youness Alaoui
No, I think the branch should only be for the part of the GUI with tkhtml. Because since we're going to be moving to the new CL in SVN anytime soon, then I think those events will already be worked on in the trunk. So when you do changes like that for the events, you could do them in the trunk,

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-01 Thread Youness Alaoui
By the way, we are STILL going to move to the new canvas CL in the trunk. I understand your points Tom, but we can't wait forever for tkhtml, maybe amsn will be dead by that time, maybe it's gonna be in 5 years and you won't even be here to implement it, who knows... I prefer to do it now and h

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-12-01 Thread capricious . falcon
On 12/1/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd say a branch, yeah, that would be a good idea.. I wonder what Tom thinks.. we don't want to create another branch like 0.96 and 0.97 where we had to backport everything, but only have a single branch for the tkhtml version, and every once

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread Youness Alaoui
I'd say a branch, yeah, that would be a good idea.. I wonder what Tom thinks.. we don't want to create another branch like 0.96 and 0.97 where we had to backport everything, but only have a single branch for the tkhtml version, and every once in a while (once a week or month) do a merge from th

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread capricious . falcon
A link to the message I posted on the yahoo group if anyone wants to follow it... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tkhtml/message/358 On 12/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dont know if anyones willing/has time to work on that. I dont... I'm for waiting until all the features

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread capricious . falcon
Dont know if anyones willing/has time to work on that. I dont... I'm for waiting until all the features we need are there. I'm going to post a request on tkhtml mailing list to see if he can look at this nodes issue soon On 12/1/06, majinsoftware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: maby start anothe

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread majinsoftware
maby start another version of amsn with tkhtml like 0.98 that can slowly be modified as the new feature come out in tkhtml and keep the 0.97b developing separately. then you will be able to download 0.98 and see what progress is being made as well as keeping 0.97b if you want latest functional cli

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread capricious . falcon
You're going to put the new contact list in officially? Sounds scary :P As I recall, it was quite slow if you had lots of contacts. You would be better off waiting for Tkhtml to be ready. About BLT and all that crap, forget it. Sorry if I sound abrupt, but after looking at stuff, tkhtml seems the

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread Youness Alaoui
Everyone started like that.. When I started, I knew NOTHING about tcl/tk.. all I did was copy/pasting/hacking old code, until I learnt it. Vivia also entered the team knowing nothing and it was funny how she would freak out thinking it's impossible to do with her knowledge then she comes back a

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread majinsoftware
I would like to see it in the svn even if its buggy as hell. Wish I could help but dont know tcl/tk well enough guess ill be reading all day about tkhtml to see if i can learn enough to help in some way. - Take Surveys. Earn C

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 02:49:25PM +0100, Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote: > > btw.. Tom was working on an implementation of a text widget using canvas or > > tkhtml... where's that work ? disappeared > > forever? and what's the status ? Tom, could you maybe add that work to SVN > > in a new dire

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread Boris Faure (aka billiob)
> btw.. Tom was working on an implementation of a text widget using canvas or > tkhtml... where's that work ? disappeared > forever? and what's the status ? Tom, could you maybe add that work to SVN in > a new directory or branch or something ? Tom has still that idea in mind, but tkhtml is not

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread majinsoftware
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread Youness Alaoui
And damn these look nice!!! http://amsn.sourceforge.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=GUI+Team+Sandbox On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 04:35:00AM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote: > Yeah, I agree, BLT would be great, I just don't know the level of > compatibility we have with BLT. I quickly read the man > page

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-30 Thread Youness Alaoui
Yeah, I agree, BLT would be great, I just don't know the level of compatibility we have with BLT. I quickly read the man page and it seems it's a "non-editable text widget" so it seems you can't add text to it, but only use $htext configure -text "..." I think that if I'm right, it's a very b

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-29 Thread Boris Faure (aka billiob)
I agree about BLT. About Transparency, it seems it's a mess, since no package is working on all platforms. And that's a pity. On 11/30/06, Jonne Zutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great. I think we should do it! Users have asked many times already > whether they could have a background on their ch

Re: [Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-29 Thread Jonne Zutt
Great. I think we should do it! Users have asked many times already whether they could have a background on their chatwindow. Would make a nice feature for new version of amsn ;) Perhaps as part of Chameleon, if no hacks are necessary outside of Chameleon in that case. JeeBee. On Thu, 2006-11-30

[Amsn-devel] Chameleon, text widgets, BLT, htext and our ultimate goal

2006-11-29 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hey there, I was looking at an old tracker item I once created (in 2003) for aMSN on tk-toolkit, here is the link http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=802296&group_id=12997&atid=362997 On now that we changed our philosophy (of amsn having nothing compiled in it), I thought we could g