[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-14 Thread tobias429
Unless your app is Smart phones for Complete Morons in 3 easy words, then chances are you don't want that person anyway as someone you'd have to support. It would cost you more than they paid for the app. First time I see a developer stating that certain customers are below his dignity level

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-14 Thread Nathan
On Dec 11, 4:57 pm, aelfwyne aelfw...@gmail.com wrote: Second, about users. Seriously. If someone is too stupid to check the GMail account that sends its notifications DIRECTLY to the phone they bought the app on. then good riddance. Unless your app is Smart phones for Complete Morons in

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-13 Thread aelfwyne
Really ... 2 things. First, the fact is 15 minutes is not enough for most apps. In the case of a game finished in 1 hour - if it is finished that fast, then it probably wasn't worth buying in the first place. A good game would take much more time. More importantly, even with the increased

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-12 Thread Pent
Users can pay though Google Checkout or Paypal and you keep almost 100% of the money (minus ~2% transaction fee). It's also not limited to the 29 country Android market is currently limited to. That's against the terms of the Developer Agreement, otherwise clearly it would be stupid not to

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Pent
Since most users who request a refund do so within minutes of purchase, we will reduce the refund window on Market to 15 minutes. This is really bad news for me. I don't have a trial version for my (relatively) expensive app because I was relying on the 24 hour refund period so I'm going to

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
No offense, but the fact that you don't have a trial app is a really a bit tricking people into buying the app. A large percentage of people are too timid, don't know, procrastinate, etc, to get a refund. I think if you have an expensive app, it's almost mandatory to have some sort of free

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Pent
No offense, but the fact that you don't have a trial app is a really a bit tricking people into buying the app.  A large percentage of people are too timid, don't know, procrastinate, etc, to get a refund.  I think if you have an expensive app, it's almost mandatory to have some sort of free

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
By the way, the 15 mins is the standard Google Checkout refund policy. If you buy anything using Google Checkout, you have 15 mins to change your mind. In effect, Google is not sending your order onto the vendor for 15 minutes. So Google just took away the special treatment for Android App

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread webmonkey
My issue is that all the changes are cosmetic. After 2 years they still haven't improved the actual buying experience for users. Orders are declined, downloads won't start, and users have no idea what to do. On Dec 11, 1:19 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, the 15 mins is

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread H
Yeah, I agree. Do we know if the 15 minutes starts from (a) the moment the buyer has purchased (and not yet downloaded) or (b) the moment they *successfully* download the app for the first time..? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
If it's anything like buying anything else using Google Checkout, the user will get their e-mail and at that moment the 15 mins starts. I don't think it will have anything to do with the actual download success. I think Google would have done away with refiunds completely, had the 15 min grace

Re: [android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread TreKing
Every time I see a blog or email about Market changes, I get all excited about what they might be adding or fixing. And every time I'm left confused and disappointed. On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Pent tas...@dinglisch.net wrote: Nevertheless, it's another change from the Market that

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Pent
Every time I see a blog or email about Market changes, I get all excited about what they might be adding or fixing. And every time I'm left confused and disappointed. Heh, I was just thinking that earlier. Used to be it was 'great, wonder what's coming' which has slowly morphed into 'oh no,

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread DulcetTone
I agree... I find the change in trial period a step backward. Tony On Dec 11, 7:09 am, Pent tas...@dinglisch.net wrote: No offense, but the fact that you don't have a trial app is a really a bit tricking people into buying the app.  A large percentage of people are too timid, don't know,

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Michael A.
On Dec 11, 9:12 pm, DulcetTone dulcett...@gmail.com wrote: I agree... I find the change in trial period a step backward. I'm happy about one thing: at least the 15 minute limit will get rid of the I completed this game in 1 hour - uninstalled crowd. I don't have any apps of that kind myself, but

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Nathan
On Dec 11, 2:52 am, Pent tas...@dinglisch.net wrote: Clearly, the thing to do is make my app free and sell an unlock app. Don't do it. Users do not understand an unlock app. I've been down that road. You can put it all over your description that you need to download the demo first; this will

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread String
On Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:23:58 PM UTC, Nathan wrote: On Dec 11, 2:52 am, Pent tas...@dinglisch.net wrote: Clearly, the thing to do is make my app free and sell an unlock app. Don't do it. Users do not understand an unlock app. I've been down that road. I'd second that. You're much

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Nathan
On Dec 11, 4:34 am, webmonkey webmonke...@gmail.com wrote: My issue is that all the changes are cosmetic. After 2 years they still haven't improved the actual buying experience for users. Orders are declined, downloads won't start, and users have no idea what to do. Yep. My thoughts

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Emanuel Moecklin
I used androidlicenser to implement an upgrade function that allows unlocking additional features. Users can pay though Google Checkout or Paypal and you keep almost 100% of the money (minus ~2% transaction fee). It's also not limited to the 29 country Android market is currently limited to. For

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Brill Pappin
I do have a separate free and paid version the same thing, and I'm getting real annoyed with having to maintain the two versions. Actually, they are starting to diverge more than I can maintain them. What needs to happen is the LVL API needs to support the concept of license levels, so we can

[android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Brill Pappin
Are you actually allowed to do that in the Market? For some reason I thought there were usage rules against doing that... Not that I have much sympathy for Google in that regard because there are problems here that should have been fixed a long time ago. - Brill -- You received this message

Re: [android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread TreKing
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Brill Pappin br...@pappin.ca wrote: Actually, they are starting to diverge more than I can maintain them. Revision control paired with an Android Library project should help. What needs to happen is the LVL API needs to support the concept of license

RE: [android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread XiaoXiong Weng
That would be cool J From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of TreKing Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:08 AM To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update On Sat

Re: [android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread Brill Pappin
I use SVN for every project I ever create :) Library, but Libraries are simply an imperfect way to do it on this platform what with the resource and R classes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email

Re: [android-developers] Re: New Android Market Client Update

2010-12-11 Thread TreKing
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Brill Pappin br...@pappin.ca wrote: Library, but Libraries are simply an imperfect way to do it on this platform what with the resource and R classes. Granted, I haven't created an Android Library project yet, but I thought that was taken into