[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread Al Sutton
roid-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Elsdörfer Sent: 13 April 2009 22:16 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone > it would be done on a discussion list, which would fit in with many > open source

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread Al Sutton
lto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Hackborn Sent: 13 April 2009 22:51 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Cc: Xavier Ducrohet Subject: [android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Al Sutton wrote: We're 6 month

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread Dianne Hackborn
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Al Sutton wrote: > We're 6 months in and on the 3rd firmware release, lessons should have been > learnt already. We had the first preview SDK for the 1.0 release out almost a year before that release, so clearly that one doesn't count as the kind of thing we are

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread Michael Elsdörfer
> it would be done on a discussion list, which would fit in with many > open source projects I've worked on where pre-release versions are > circulated and then developers say "Yay" or "Nay" to whether it's good > enough to call a production release, I'm not sure what Open Source projects wor

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread Al Sutton
Xav, We're 6 months in and on the 3rd firmware release, lessons should have been learnt already. Personally I don't care whether it's intentional or not. The end result is the same for me in that Google are once again involved in the release of some new Android related functionality and once a

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread Xavier Ducrohet
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Al Sutton wrote: > Are you really expect that one or two weeks is enough for every app written > to go through a testing procedure to check for problems? Of course not. We know that the current situation is far from perfect, but we aren't making it hard on you o

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread Al Sutton
android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Al Sutton wrote: Dave, I'm not after G1 device images, I would be happy if I could get access to a fully working cupcake emulator, but no one in the publ

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread David Turner
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Al Sutton wrote: > > Dave, > > I'm not after G1 device images, I would be happy if I could get access to a > fully working cupcake emulator, but no one in the public development > community can. I said before the G1 launch I see Android as the platform, > not the

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread Al Sutton
om] On Behalf Of David Turner Sent: 13 April 2009 11:14 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Al Sutton wrote: Now before I start on the iPhone comparison I'm going

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread David Turner
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Al Sutton wrote: > > Now before I start on the iPhone comparison I'm going to pre-empt the > normal > "But Android is open source." response by saying lets be honest and > admit it as it stands Android is not an open source project because the > public "open s

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-13 Thread Al Sutton
:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Hackborn Sent: 13 April 2009 04:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone Which are exactly what Ralf is saying. You can build an SDK out of some random change # of the tree, and

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-12 Thread Dianne Hackborn
t; From: android-developers@googlegroups.com > [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ralf > Sent: 12 April 2009 03:04 > To: android-developers@googlegroups.com > Subject: [android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 1

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-11 Thread Al Sutton
ndroid-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ralf Sent: 12 April 2009 03:04 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Al Sutton wrote: > > Now

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-11 Thread Ralf
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Al Sutton wrote: > > Now before I start on the iPhone comparison I'm going to pre-empt the normal > "But Android is open source." response by saying lets be honest and > admit it as it stands Android is not an open source project because the > public "open so

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-11 Thread Pd
If its any consolation you are not alone in this. We have all been sucked in by Google. I just get the feeling we have already been spat out! While Google continue to make billions of $$$ what they need is additional resource to test their code, the grunt work. That is where we come in. If

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-11 Thread Al Sutton
09 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone Hi Al, I think my response might best have been posted to android-discuss, but I'll reply here anyway. Pre-empting a debate about whether Android is open source with the argum

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-11 Thread Mariano Kamp
Al, I hope it's not that bad and that over time things will get better and more open. Look at the sorry state of the Android Market. I am not being polemic here when I say that this cannot be so bad on purpose. So there is hope. On the other hand, the issues of Android moving to open source and/or

[android-developers] Re: SDKs & comparison with the iPhone

2009-04-11 Thread Tom Gibara
Hi Al, I think my response might best have been posted to android-discuss, but I'll reply here anyway. Pre-empting a debate about whether Android is open source with the argument "...let's be honest..." isn't adequate. I don't know whether there are established metrics for measuring a degree to wh