Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Language on List

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:34:50 -0500 "Jeffrey Race" wrote: > > The universal rule of ladies and gentlemen is to avoid giving I take very strong exception to this and on on this list. This type of sexual stereotyping is not only archaic but is extremely offensive to some

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33

european commission and impose trade bans against microsoft. >>>>>>> simple enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>>>>>> CyberBunker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn >>>>>>>> of any kind, human trafficing services, specific animals, >>>>>>>> cocain, data obtained through espionage, encryption >>>>>>>> technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda, etc >>>>>>>> is subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is >>>>>>>> none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as >>>>>>>> spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet government'. >>>>>>>> even if they think they should be. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering >>>>>>>> 'their' territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of >>>>>>>> their own stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them >>>>>>>> others choose not to work against their own >>>>>>>> stakeholders/tax payers that way. they have a customs >>>>>>>> department to keep said products outside. can't tell others >>>>>>>> not to produce or sell or advertise it. setting up dirty >>>>>>>> front operations like 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into >>>>>>>> the illusion that they would be 'fighting spam' is a very >>>>>>>> nasty thing to do. geo-political wise and business wise. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's >>>>>>>> disconnect all porn sites because thailand wants us to, oh >>>>>>>> but wait, thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they >>>>>>>> rule the entire internet through means of blackmail and >>>>>>>> calling people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what also works, besides blackmailing with committing >>>>>>>> computer sabotage against the sales department of suppliers >>>>>>>> of suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a website, >>>>>>>> are: assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent orange. >>>>>>>> etc... all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if >>>>>>>> you ask me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after >>>>>>>> all bgp is an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't >>>>>>>> block anything' as they themselves always say. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 ???, 2017 ? 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>>>>>>>> CyberBunker <sv...@xs4all.nl mailto:sv...@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent >>>>>>>>> servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which we >>>>>>>>> happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus >>>>>>>>> somehow magically never lists -that-.. just >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that >>>>>>>>> the listing works! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> esa >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20170130/ab0922ac/attachment.html> End of anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 28 * -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20170131/7e8a66b9/attachment.html> End of anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33 *

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33

; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>>>>>> CyberBunker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn >>>>>>>> of any kind, human trafficing services, specific animals, >>>>>>>> cocain, data obtained through espionage, encryption >>>>>>>> technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda, etc >>>>>>>> is subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is >>>>>>>> none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as >>>>>>>> spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet government'. >>>>>>>> even if they think they should be. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering >>>>>>>> 'their' territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of >>>>>>>> their own stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them >>>>>>>> others choose not to work against their own >>>>>>>> stakeholders/tax payers that way. they have a customs >>>>>>>> department to keep said products outside. can't tell others >>>>>>>> not to produce or sell or advertise it. setting up dirty >>>>>>>> front operations like 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into >>>>>>>> the illusion that they would be 'fighting spam' is a very >>>>>>>> nasty thing to do. geo-political wise and business wise. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's >>>>>>>> disconnect all porn sites because thailand wants us to, oh >>>>>>>> but wait, thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they >>>>>>>> rule the entire internet through means of blackmail and >>>>>>>> calling people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what also works, besides blackmailing with committing >>>>>>>> computer sabotage against the sales department of suppliers >>>>>>>> of suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a website, >>>>>>>> are: assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent orange. >>>>>>>> etc... all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if >>>>>>>> you ask me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after >>>>>>>> all bgp is an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't >>>>>>>> block anything' as they themselves always say. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 ???, 2017 ? 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>>>>>>>> CyberBunker <sv...@xs4all.nl mailto:sv...@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent >>>>>>>>> servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which we >>>>>>>>> happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus >>>>>>>>> somehow magically never lists -that-.. just >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that >>>>>>>>> the listing works! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> esa >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20170130/ab0922ac/attachment.html> End of anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 28 * -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20170131/7e8a66b9/attachment.html> End of anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33 *

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33

gt;>>> implemented os/2 ripoff crap. so basically call mickeysoft >>>>>>> and ask them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or call the >>>>>>> european commission and impose trade bans against microsoft. >>>>>>> simple enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>>>>>> CyberBunker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn >>>>>>>> of any kind, human trafficing services, specific animals, >>>>>>>> cocain, data obtained through espionage, encryption >>>>>>>> technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda, etc >>>>>>>> is subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is >>>>>>>> none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as >>>>>>>> spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet government'. >>>>>>>> even if they think they should be. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering >>>>>>>> 'their' territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of >>>>>>>> their own stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them >>>>>>>> others choose not to work against their own >>>>>>>> stakeholders/tax payers that way. they have a customs >>>>>>>> department to keep said products outside. can't tell others >>>>>>>> not to produce or sell or advertise it. setting up dirty >>>>>>>> front operations like 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into >>>>>>>> the illusion that they would be 'fighting spam' is a very >>>>>>>> nasty thing to do. geo-political wise and business wise. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's >>>>>>>> disconnect all porn sites because thailand wants us to, oh >>>>>>>> but wait, thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they >>>>>>>> rule the entire internet through means of blackmail and >>>>>>>> calling people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what also works, besides blackmailing with committing >>>>>>>> computer sabotage against the sales department of suppliers >>>>>>>> of suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a website, >>>>>>>> are: assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent orange. >>>>>>>> etc... all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if >>>>>>>> you ask me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after >>>>>>>> all bgp is an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't >>>>>>>> block anything' as they themselves always say. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 ???, 2017 ? 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>>>>>>>> CyberBunker <sv...@xs4all.nl <mailto:sv...@xs4all.nl>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent >>>>>>>>> servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which we >>>>>>>>> happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus >>>>>>>>> somehow magically never lists -that-.. just >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that >>>>>>>>> the listing works! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> esa >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20170130/ab0922ac/attachment.html> End of anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 28 * -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20170131/7e8a66b9/attachment.html> End of anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33 *

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RBL Discussion Update

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:47:53 + HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > it's not only about spamhaus, it's about any rbl that -potentially- > -could get the idea- that they could force isps to 'contact them' by > not having auto-delisting and/or also listing

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 28

Yesterday, Andre wrote: > In 2015, the number of emails sent and received per day total over 205 > billion... Andre is underestimating the size of the problem and Olaf, the prince of spam, the demolisher, the man who almost broke the internet, pretends to be unaware: During 2010, about 107

[anti-abuse-wg] RBL Discussion Update

Ok folks... The RBL Policy discussion is interesting, but we've gone wildly off track and it has become focused, unfortunately, on one provider. I'm not going to tell anyone what to think of Spamhaus, but this conversation is not the right place to go on specifically about them. I think the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: RBL policy

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 10:09:57 + HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > your ethics argument is funny as that applies equally well to > boko-haram and al-quida. lol. > You are exactly correct! You, yourself, also said that people can decide if or which DNSBL they

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Language on List

Hi I agree that personal attack should not happen. As for the language usage, I believe casual language should be ok for the list, as we are not lawyers but geeks. And, as many of us are not native speaker, mistake on grammer as well as wording should be accepted. Just my 2 cents:) With

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy

Strafgesetzbuch (StGB) § 240 Nötigung (1) Wer einen Menschen rechtswidrig mit Gewalt oder durch Drohung mit einem empfindlichen Übel zu einer Handlung, Duldung oder Unterlassung nötigt, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. (2) Rechtswidrig ist die Tat,

[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: RBL policy

don't like the activities of some entities on the internet? 1: figure out who they are, if -need be- get a court order against their isp to fork up the details (make sure you harrass the right one) 2: take that entity doing it to court... if it's not 'illegal' or 'criminal' where they just

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Language on List

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:21:37 + Brian Nisbet wrote: > I shall be more clear, in that case. I have little or no problem with > generalised swearing. It's a part of modern language and while I > generally would not use it in professional written communications > myself,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Language on List

Morning, On 31/01/2017 09:08, ox wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 08:53:07 + > Brian Nisbet wrote: >> Colleagues, >> While the Anti-Abuse WG welcomes a free exchange of ideas and >> opinions, it does not welcome personal abuse of any kind. >> This includes, but is