>> > пт, 13 мар. 2020 г. в 17:43, Bernard Chardonneau :
>> >>> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen <
>> m...@tinodidriksen.com>
>> >>> To: "[apertium-stuff]"
>> >>> Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lis
;
> m...@tinodidriksen.com>
> >>> To: "[apertium-stuff]"
> >>> Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
> >>> Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
> >&
sen
To: "[apertium-stuff]"
Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
- Jonathan Washington
- Francis Tyers
- Tino Didrikse
пт, 13 мар. 2020 г. в 17:43, Bernard Chardonneau :
>
> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen
> >
> > To: "[apertium-stuff]"
> > Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Aperti
Didriksen
>> >
>> > To: "[apertium-stuff]"
>> > Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
>> > Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
>> > Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
>> >
>> > So fa
> > To: "[apertium-stuff]"
> > Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
> > Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
> >
> > So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PM
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen
>
> To: "[apertium-stuff]"
> Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
> Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
>
> So far, thes
Also, a pseudonym seems to be ok, but would it be preferable to have a real
name?
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 21:39 Scoop Gracie wrote:
> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the pandemic.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 21:37 Hèctor Alòs i Font
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much, Tino, for the lists.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the pandemic.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 21:37 Hèctor Alòs i Font wrote:
> Thank you very much, Tino, for the lists. I've been busy this week, but it
> is time for the election board to control the list of electors you created
> and establish a calendar. I
Thank you very much, Tino, for the lists. I've been busy this week, but it
is time for the election board to control the list of electors you created
and establish a calendar. I agree, it can make sense to wait a few weeks
because of the pandemia. The problem is that probably the peak has been
Oh, okay, that makes sense.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:50 Tino Didriksen wrote:
> Many of us have kids or families who have been sent home, so there's a
> bunch of extra offline stuff and stress to suddenly spend energy on. Our
> countries or states have effectively been shut down for at least 2
Many of us have kids or families who have been sent home, so there's a
bunch of extra offline stuff and stress to suddenly spend energy on. Our
countries or states have effectively been shut down for at least 2 weeks.
Apertium can wait, if needed.
-- Tino Didriksen
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 22:38,
Since Apertium is all online, how would covid affect it?
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:22 Tino Didriksen wrote:
> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
> - Jonathan Washington
> - Francis Tyers
> - Tino Didriksen
> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> - Tanmai Khanna
> - Xavi
So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
- Jonathan Washington
- Francis Tyers
- Tino Didriksen
- Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
- Tanmai Khanna
- Xavi Ivars
...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
These are standing for PMC President:
- Francis Tyers
- Tino Didriksen
These
I'm also interested on running for the PMC.
Should we try to establish some dates?
Missatge de Tino Didriksen del dia ds., 7 de març
2020 a les 13:35:
> Turns out my output definitely needed checking. In my quest to sync
> outside-collaborators, I forgot to double-check the direct members.
>
>
Turns out my output definitely needed checking. In my quest to sync
outside-collaborators, I forgot to double-check the direct members.
Using https://gist.github.com/jdennes/11404512#gistcomment-2734613 I've now
exported https://github.com/orgs/apertium/people and added the ones who
where missing
When I run, will I be allowed to vote (for myself)?
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 19:12 Scoop Gracie wrote:
> What repos do you do the most in? You'll need to ask for write access to
> at least one.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:55 PM AJ wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Can I be added to the list(spreadsheet) or
What repos do you do the most in? You'll need to ask for write access to at
least one.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:55 PM AJ wrote:
> Hi
>
> Can I be added to the list(spreadsheet) or know why can't I take part? I
> am a GCI mentor and interested in taking part in activities of Apertium.
>
> Thank
Hi
Can I be added to the list(spreadsheet) or know why can't I take part? I am
a GCI mentor and interested in taking part in activities of Apertium.
Thank you
Ayush Jain
IRC nick: ayushjain
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 5:35 PM Tino Didriksen wrote:
> Combined list of everyone I can find that
Also, is it okay to be on the PMC with a pseudonyn?
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 08:12 Tino Didriksen wrote:
> Absolutely - everyone should double-check my work, but especially the
> election committee.
>
> Problem is that not everyone has access to
>
I'd rather not give out my real name.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 09:47 Scoop Gracie wrote:
> Also, is it okay to be on the PMC with a pseudonyn?
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 08:12 Tino Didriksen wrote:
>
>> Absolutely - everyone should double-check my work, but especially the
>> election committee.
>>
Absolutely - everyone should double-check my work, but especially the
election committee.
Problem is that not everyone has access to
https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - only org admins
do. So I went through that, and in the process merged other sources anyway.
The few I did
And since
- Tino's running for president, and
- taking a census like this is technically the election committee's
responsibility (I believe),
The election committee should probably verify Tino's work.
--
Jonathan
пт, 6 мар. 2020 г. в 07:05, Tino Didriksen :
> Combined list of everyone I can
Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our lists
and thus may be eligible to vote:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
which 308 have emails.
I have
You could at least be a backup member.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 10:19 Daniel Swanson
wrote:
> If another person is needed to help run the election, I could probably do
> that.
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:58 PM Scoop Gracie
> wrote:
>
>> We now have three volunteers for the board and four
If another person is needed to help run the election, I could probably do
that.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:58 PM Scoop Gracie wrote:
> We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose
> that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for
> each.
>
>
Since it seems like there are enough people to help conduct the election, I’ll
just put in my name for the candidacy formally.
Thanks
Tanmai
Sent from my iPhone
> On 05-Mar-2020, at 23:28, Scoop Gracie wrote:
>
>
> We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose
We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose
that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for
each.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font wrote:
> If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly
> what has
If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly
what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I have no
interest in standing for the PMC.
Hèctor
Missatge de Tino Didriksen del dia dj., 5 de març
2020 a les 12:07:
> Replied inline...
>
> On Thu, 5 Mar
Replied inline...
On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie wrote:
> Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.
>
Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people
who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict
interpretation of the Bylaws.
Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:49 PM Tanmai Khanna
wrote:
> I know it’s probably intuitive that people who help conduct the election
> wouldn’t be eligible to stand for elections, but since this is a relatively
> small group and the elections can be held with
I know it’s probably intuitive that people who help conduct the election
wouldn’t be eligible to stand for elections, but since this is a relatively
small group and the elections can be held with transparency, I was wondering if
I could still apply to be a part of the PMC.
I volunteered to
I help to run the election.
Sevilay
On Thu, 5 Mar 2020, 06:15 Tanmai Khanna, wrote:
> I volunteer to help conduct the election.
>
> Tanmai
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 05-Mar-2020, at 02:40, Diogo wrote:
>
>
> I must say the fact that the second list was generated by me, but I'm not
>
I volunteer to help conduct the election.
Tanmai
Sent from my iPhone
> On 05-Mar-2020, at 02:40, Diogo wrote:
>
>
> I must say the fact that the second list was generated by me, but I'm not
> eligible to vote according to those lists is quite ironic
>
> A quarta, 4/03/2020, 22:01, Tino
I must say the fact that the second list was generated by me, but I'm not
eligible to vote according to those lists is quite ironic
A quarta, 4/03/2020, 22:01, Tino Didriksen
escreveu:
> It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the
> election, and we only have 3 who
I'm running.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 13:01 Tino Didriksen wrote:
> It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the
> election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.
>
> Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of
> the
It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the
election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.
Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of
the PMC.
For a census of those eligible to vote,
I just invited you to have write access to the Apertium phenny repo :)
This is an important discussion, and one that's come up before, but it
won't be resolved in time for the election. So, for now, the easiest
work-around is to make sure everyone who thinks and who other
contributors think
I have requested write access on IRC, but never got an answer.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 10:09 Juan Pablo wrote:
> Rather than ammending the bylaws, wouldn't it be simpler that you (and any
> others that may feel sidelined) file a request to the PMC asking to be
> granted committer status?
Rather than ammending the bylaws, wouldn't it be simpler that you (and
any others that may feel sidelined) file a request to the PMC asking to
be granted committer status? According to bylaw 11, this is what you need:
/
//Bylaw 11. Committer access is received by committing code and getting
If it is fair, I'm fine with it, it just doesn't make sense to me.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:56 Scoop Gracie wrote:
> So it seems fair that an arbitrary (at least IMO) requirement is placed on
> voters?
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:55 Scoop Gracie wrote:
>
>> Okay, I have asked for write access
So it seems fair that an arbitrary (at least IMO) requirement is placed on
voters?
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:55 Scoop Gracie wrote:
> Okay, I have asked for write access on the phenny repo and have never
> received it.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:33 Saurabh Rai wrote:
>
>> The ones who are new
Okay, I have asked for write access on the phenny repo and have never
received it.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:33 Saurabh Rai wrote:
> The ones who are new to the organisation doesn't get to vote this time?
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mikel L. Forcada wrote:
>
>> A by-laws change should
The ones who are new to the organisation doesn't get to vote this time?
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mikel L. Forcada wrote:
> A by-laws change should be done by the assembly of committers (even if
> the by-laws don't specify clearly).
>
> Mikel
>
> El 26/2/20 a les 18:09, Scoop Gracie ha
A by-laws change should be done by the assembly of committers (even if
the by-laws don't specify clearly).
Mikel
El 26/2/20 a les 18:09, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
--
Mikel L. Forcada http://www.dlsi.ua.es/~mlf/
Departament de
You should have gained access by now!
El 26/2/20 a les 18:04, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not have
write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from voting, even
though I am just as much an Apertium developer as many of the other
Of course, a by-law cannot be ignored.
I still fail to see why this is unfair.
Mikel
El 26/2/20 a les 18:01, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
What I'm saying is, Bylaw 5 is still in effect, but is now unfair, due
to the move to GitHub. I think we should either have a PMC vote before
this election to
May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
Amend Bylaw 5: "The project's Committers are responsible for the project's
technical management. Committers are developers who have write access to
the project's source repositories, or who have contributed code to Apertium
in any
Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not have
write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from voting, even though
I am just as much an Apertium developer as many of the other devs (who get
to vote). IMHO, that seems unfair.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Mikel L.
I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the way in
which casual developers contribute. If a developer contributes through
PRs in a sustained way, they should be named committers.
Mikel
El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
Because now, many contributions come
What I'm saying is, Bylaw 5 is still in effect, but is now unfair, due to
the move to GitHub. I think we should either have a PMC vote before this
election to revise Bylaw 5, or simply ignore it.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:59 AM Scoop Gracie wrote:
> At least to me, it seems unfair that some
At least to me, it seems unfair that some contributors should be excluded.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:57 AM Scoop Gracie wrote:
> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
> they have contributed
Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada wrote:
> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the
Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
without reference to SF.
Mikel
El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
--
Mikel L. Forcada
So a PR is not sufficient?
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:50 AM Jonathan Washington <
jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed, that seems pretty clear. But that's not how it works in reality.
>
> That is, the primary maintainers of specific repositories give other
> people write access, not
That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who have
submitted PRs be equally eligible?
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:25 AM Mikel L. Forcada wrote:
> I think this is well defined:
>
> "18 The responsibilities of the Project Management Committee include
> […]
> Giving access
Agreed, that seems pretty clear. But that's not how it works in reality.
That is, the primary maintainers of specific repositories give other people
write access, not the PMC. E.g., when I give someone access to a Turkic
translation pair, it's not because I'm on the PMC, but because I'm a
I think this is well defined:
"18 The responsibilities of the Project Management Committee include
[…]
Giving access rights to new Committers.
Cheers
Mikel
El 26/2/20 a les 17:22, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:
That's a good start for a discussion about revising committer status
in the
It is defined in the by-laws!
Article 5. "Committers are developers who have write access to the
project's source repositories."
Article 4 says: "*A developer that makes sustained, welcomed
contributions to the project may be invited to become a committer*,
though the exact timing of such
That's a good start for a discussion about revising committer status in the
bylaws, and maybe for use of a definition for the election, but it also
raises a few questions:
- How do we decide who's a member of the GitHub org?
- How do we decide who has write access to an Apertium repo?
These are
Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
* All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously,
ApertiumBot/begiak),
* Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
* Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
Anyone in any of the categories above must have an
Okay, so it sounds like I can run.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie wrote:
>
>> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of
>> a time commitment is this?
>>
>
> Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC
Hi there,
I also agree with Tino.
Fran, thanks for coming forward.
Mikel
El 26/2/20 a les 14:49, Francis Tyers ha escrit:
I will put myself down for president this time, and +1 to Tino's points.
Fran
El 2020-02-26 13:36, Jonathan Washington escribió:
Thanks for calling the election,
I will put myself down for president this time, and +1 to Tino's points.
Fran
El 2020-02-26 13:36, Jonathan Washington escribió:
Thanks for calling the election, Mikel. It was pointed out on IRC
during GCI that it was time to run an election again, but everyone was
busy with GCI so it didn't
Thanks for calling the election, Mikel. It was pointed out on IRC during
GCI that it was time to run an election again, but everyone was busy with
GCI so it didn't receive more attention.
+1 to Tino's points.
I'll be running for PMC again, so I'll recuse myself from involvement with
the
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie wrote:
> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of a
> time commitment is this?
>
Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13 -
that would comply with various worldwide laws.
But, any power of
Replied inline...
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada wrote:
> (1) According to our by-laws [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
>
Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of a
time commitment is this?
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 01:51 Mikel L. Forcada wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> (1) According to our by-laws [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the
Dear all,
(1) According to our by-laws [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
(2)
69 matches
Mail list logo
