Re: [arin-ppml] AC candidates

2024-08-14 Thread Cj Aronson
Bill, On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 12:34 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 12:41 PM Cj Aronson wrote: > > My question for you is what's the real issue you're trying to solve? > > Howdy! > > There are three things that concern me. > > 1. Poli

Re: [arin-ppml] AC candidates

2024-08-12 Thread Cj Aronson
On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 4:52 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 10:46 AM Cj Aronson wrote: > > I would like to add here (as someone who was on the AC through all the > > changes of the policy process) the original policy process was very > > difficult for th

Re: [arin-ppml] AC candidates

2024-08-10 Thread Cj Aronson
Bill, I would like to add here (as someone who was on the AC through all the changes of the policy process) the original policy process was very difficult for the AC because we often could not get the author to participate in the process and so policies that the community wanted and needed would l

Re: [arin-ppml] Feedback Request: Policy ARIN-2024-6: 6.5.1a Definition Update

2024-06-19 Thread Cj Aronson
I think the question is why are you replacing "document" with "section"? So is LIR not used in the rest of the "document"? If it is then doesn't it still mean what it means in this "section"? Thanks! Cathy {Ô,Ô} (( )) ◊ ◊ On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 3:01 PM Knowles Consulting wrote: > H

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Announces the Final Slate of Candidates for the 2021 ARIN Elections

2021-10-19 Thread Cj Aronson
Leif as someone who has been nominated twice and not chosen as a candidate I have asked for (in addition to transparency) - The results of the background check of me that was done as part of the process - The synopsis of the interview with the contractor who interviews candidates and gives a syno

Re: [arin-ppml] NomCom misbehavior

2021-10-09 Thread Cj Aronson
The instructions are here https://www.arin.net/participate/oversight/elections/instructions/ Cathy {Ô,Ô} (( )) ◊ ◊ On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 9:03 PM Holden Karau wrote: > Interesting ARIN shows me as the designated voting contact for my org but > no link on the dashboard exists for me

Re: [arin-ppml] Solving the squatting problem

2019-05-16 Thread Cj Aronson
Michel, If you check out the last draft that expired in 2008 you'll see it was written by Geoff, George, and Paul at APNIC https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilson-class-e-00 -Cathy On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Michel Py < mic...@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> wrote: > > Joe Provo wrote

Re: [arin-ppml] Solving the squatting problem

2019-05-16 Thread Cj Aronson
The IETF has rejected this change to class e space a number of times. The last draft on this expired in 2008. The overwhelming sentiment on the subject is that we should focus on deploying IPv6. If you feel strongly about it then write a new Internet draft and try to get it to move forward. I

Re: [arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-04-26 Thread Cj Aronson
Bill just one comment below On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:40 AM William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:15 AM ARIN wrote: > >> A petition has been initiated for the following: >> >> ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation >> >> This proposal was rejected due to scope a

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers

2017-09-07 Thread Cj Aronson
sfer policy, there is logic to such a strategy, > and the current facts seem to justify at least some caution on their part. > > > Finally, the numbers show we have more than enough room to be magnanimous > in this situation, I believe we should give LACNIC and AFRINIC room to > maneu

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers

2017-09-06 Thread Cj Aronson
Okay so this formula.. does it just give us Afrinic and Lacnic right? So why don't we just say that? Since there are only 5 RIRs it seems that maybe a formula isn't needed? {Ô,Ô} (( )) ◊ ◊ On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:35 PM, ARIN wrote: > The following has been revised: > > * Draft Policy

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN_2017-2

2017-06-16 Thread Cj Aronson
It came up because in the entire history of the Community Networks policy it has never been used once. So either it's not needed or it needs to be changed so that it serves some part of the community. -Cathy {Ô,Ô} (( )) ◊ ◊ On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > >

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Cj Aronson
policies or to create a punitive measure? > > Regards, > > Peter Thimmesch > > > On May 26, 2017, at 19:09, Cj Aronson wrote: > > Scott, > > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Scott Leibrand > wrote: > >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Ronald F. Guilme

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-26 Thread Cj Aronson
Scott, On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote: > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette < > r...@tristatelogic.com> wrote: > >> >> In message <8a3a301d-39b5-4f81-8e2c-90e23b819...@panix.com>, >> David Huberman wrote: >> >> >In short, there is an argument that the SW

[arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC

2017-04-13 Thread Cj Aronson
Recently an article about the proposal (link below to policy text and article) was posted to the RIPE policy list. This policy being discussed in AFRINIC is very interesting and different than any proposal I have seen so far. I thought you all might be interested in reading the text. It basical

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Response to AFRINIC on Policy compatibility

2017-01-19 Thread Cj Aronson
David I agree that we should remove the word reciprocal or make a special exception for AFRNIC and LACNIC. We once had a separate minimum allocation for the AFRINIC area before AFRINIC was formed. I think this falls into that same sort of policy category. -Cathy {Ô,Ô} (( )) ◊ ◊ On T

Re: [arin-ppml] incorrect database info cause routing issue

2015-02-24 Thread CJ Aronson
This is a public policy mailing list. If you want to contact ARIN you may have better results by using their Contact US info https://www.arin.net/contact_us.html Just a thought. -Cathy {Ô,Ô} (( )) ◊ ◊ On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mike Smith wrote: > Can anyone from ARIN correc

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL: Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks

2014-06-30 Thread CJ Aronson
Martin, Here is the link to the transcript from NANOG 60 PPC (the one before last) https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ppc_nanog60/ppc_transcript.html#anchor_3 Here you said your main objection was the policy requiring a contract and we took that away. At the PPC in Washington (NA

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL: Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks

2014-06-30 Thread CJ Aronson
Everyone out there. If there are more objections to this policy please speak up. Thanks! Cathy On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > > Scott, > > There have been more objections than mine all along the route. We pay > ARIN millions in fees. We simply ask that ARIN do w

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL: Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks

2014-06-30 Thread CJ Aronson
Hi everyone Does anyone have comments on this recommended draft policy? Thanks! Cathy On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 2:16 PM, ARIN wrote: > The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 19 June 2014 and decided to > send the following to last call: > > Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent

Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

2014-06-10 Thread CJ Aronson
Elvis.. ARIN has had 8.3 transfers since 2009. We long ago accepted that there would be a market for IP addresses. I believe ARIN was the first RIR to have such a policy. The link to the archive is here https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2009_1.html Soon after we worked on the listing servi

Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

2014-06-05 Thread CJ Aronson
t; > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, CJ Aronson wrote: > >> Elvis.. >> >> I am sure with any policy folks will try to game the system. >> > You are right, I referred to a workaround that would game the system, > but there is no actual policy requiring LIR

Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

2014-06-05 Thread CJ Aronson
er RIRs to avoid duplicate registration. My impression is that the RIPE > NCC is the only RIR that is currently mirroring the other RIR databases and > making steps towards what I think should become at some point a unique > point of data collection. > > cheers, > elvis > &g

Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

2014-06-05 Thread CJ Aronson
egion." Cathy On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM, CJ Aronson wrote: > Let's be clear.. the RIPE NCC will only give a one-time /22 for your 1600 > Euros/year. RIPE has always made applicants prove a business presense in > the region and I believe that's what the > " >

Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

2014-06-04 Thread CJ Aronson
Let's be clear.. the RIPE NCC will only give a one-time /22 for your 1600 Euros/year. RIPE has always made applicants prove a business presense in the region and I believe that's what the " - The name of the "Chamber of Commerce" where your company is registered - For example, C

[arin-ppml] 2013-8 New Subsequent Allocations for new multiple discrete networks

2014-06-04 Thread CJ Aronson
Hi everyone! This recommended draft policy was just presented at the Public Policy Consultation at NANOG in Washington. Please review and comment if you have any input for or against this proposal. Thanks! -Cathy - 2013-8 New Subsequent Al

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8 (Sandra Brown)

2014-04-07 Thread CJ Aronson
Wow it's going to be one of those Mondays.. I meant this to say Hope you had a great weekend! Anyway sorry for my confusion about your post. I think I'll just go have some more coffee and maybe that will help. Thanks! -Cathy On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 9:56 AM, CJ Aronson wrote:

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8 (Sandra Brown)

2014-04-07 Thread CJ Aronson
some of the worst aspects of needs assessments. Let's see how they > fare in Chicago. > > --MM > > > > *From:* CJ Aronson [mailto:c...@daydream.com] > *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:37 AM > *To:* Milton L Mueller > *Cc:* John Curran; sandrabr...@ipv4marketgroup.com; ar

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8 (Sandra Brown)

2014-04-07 Thread CJ Aronson
Milton if someone wants "ARIN to ease it's needs assessment requirements for transfers" then there has to be a policy proposal submitted that gains community support. ARIN can't just change this without the process being followed. In the past the policies to ease needs assessment have not gained

Re: [arin-ppml] 2600::/12 LOA

2014-03-29 Thread CJ Aronson
I just wanted to mention per the research paper all the RIRs gave LOAs for these covering prefixes. Not just ARIN "In early October 2012, we contacted each of the five RIRs to request permission to announce the entire /12 IPv6 address block that had been allocated to them by IANA. After deliberat

Re: [arin-ppml] 2600::/12 LOA

2014-03-29 Thread CJ Aronson
Joe, The ends don't always justify the means. The reason there is a policy proposal in the ARIN region to stop this practice is because not everyone covered by these /12 announcements is happy that their addresses were part of an experiment. There is a belief that Merit should have had permissio

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-28 Thread CJ Aronson
Bill you should watch the presentation. Basically the RIRs gave these guys permission to announce the IPv6 /12s that cover >80% of the live IPv6 Internet https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/12-feb-2014.webcast.karir.understanding.ipv6-internet-radiation.mp4 The point is that it's one thing

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-28 Thread CJ Aronson
There is a paper here http://www.merit.edu/research/pdf/2013/ipv6_darknet_paper_r6098.pdf that says "We announced the prefixes: 2400::/12, 2600::/12, 2800::/12, 2c00::/12, 2a08::/13, and 2a04::/14 for over a three-month period. For a few days, we also announced RIPE's 2a00::/12" So I believe that

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-28 Thread CJ Aronson
I read some more of that article I sent. They specifically state that they had LOAs from the RIRs to do these /12 advertisements. Thanks! -Cathy On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:49 PM, CJ Aronson wrote: > There is a paper here > http://www.merit.edu/research/pdf/2013/ipv6_darknet_paper

[arin-ppml] Initial IPv4 allocations to ISPs, NRPM section 4.2

2014-03-27 Thread CJ Aronson
I have been having a discussion with a member of the community about the initial allocations to ISPs, NRPM section 4.2. I thought quite a bit about this last night and I would love your input. It seems to me that we might want to revamp this in light of IPv4 run out. Does it make sense when the

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread CJ Aronson
> Bill already said earlier on the thread he wasn't planning to run again. > > Scott > > On Mar 26, 2014, at 5:29 PM, CJ Aronson wrote: > > Could you explain why you're talking about Bill Darte's seat as if he is > not on the AC serving a term to which he

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread CJ Aronson
Could you explain why you're talking about Bill Darte's seat as if he is not on the AC serving a term to which he was duly elected? There is no prohibition about him running for a subsequent term at this point either. Bill has been an outstanding member of the AC and has done significant work for

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-25 Thread CJ Aronson
John The ARIN website has all the data you refer to here. It even has how many votes each candidate got in each election. You can also google "ARIN election results " to find a particular year. Cathy On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:58 PM, John Brown wrote: > Industry capture is actually som

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-25 Thread CJ Aronson
Here are links that will answer your questions about the AC and the BoT https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot.html https://www.arin.net/about_us/ac.html ---Cathy On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Michael Wallace wrote: > What is AC or BoT? > > Thanks, > > Michael Wallace > > ---

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks - Revised

2014-03-05 Thread CJ Aronson
Thanks to Jeffrey and Martin for their feedback on 2013-8, Does anyone else have feedback on this proposal? Thanks! Cathy ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net).

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks - Revised

2014-03-05 Thread CJ Aronson
ments current practice and the ARIN staff requested in a policy experience report that this be documented so that it is clear what the current practice is. Cathy On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:17 AM, CJ Aronson wrote: > > > [ clip

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks - Revised

2014-03-05 Thread CJ Aronson
> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:42 PM, CJ Aronson wrote: > > Jeffrey, > > > > The text was changed from "Upon verification that the organization has > > already obtained connectivity at its new discrete network site" because > > folks felt that thi

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks - Revised

2014-03-05 Thread CJ Aronson
M, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: > I am opposed to the rewording as the new discrete site is in itself > demonstration of need. There is a technical requirement to provide at > least a /24 of space at any discrete site. > > Thanks, Jeff > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:16 PM, CJ Aronson w

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks - Revised

2014-03-05 Thread CJ Aronson
Martin, See below On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:13 PM, ARIN wrote: > > > [ clip ] > > > > > > "Subsequent Allocations for Additional Discrete Network Sites This policy > > enables fair and impartial number resource administration by documen

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks - Revised

2014-03-05 Thread CJ Aronson
Does anyone else have comments about this proposal? The text has been changed slightly based on feedback from the PPC at NANOG. The change was from Upon verification that the organization has already obtained connectivity at its new discrete network site to Upon verification that the organiza

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML 2014-7

2014-02-06 Thread CJ Aronson
Martin Do you have any real evidence of real harm being caused by it being two instead of three? Thanks! -Cathy On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > Rudi, > > Do you have any evidence of real harm? > > Best, > > Martin > > > > On Thursday, February 6, 2014, Rudolph Dan

[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for Additional Distrete Network Sites

2014-01-22 Thread CJ Aronson
Hi everyone, If you have feedback on this proposal please send it to this list. We will also be discussing the policy proposal at the upcoming PPC. Thanks! Cathy *Policy Proposal 2013-8 Subsequent Allocations for Additional Distrete Network Sites* *Problem Statement:* During the ARIN 32

Re: [arin-ppml] 4.4 Micro Allocations and IXP requirements

2014-01-09 Thread CJ Aronson
Just for reference the policy with regard to IXPs says this below. I believe that the point was that the IXP had to have at least two customers and all this other information that they are providing a credible IXP in order to get a micro allocation. -Cathy "Exchange point operators must prov

Re: [arin-ppml] Statistics request regarding new entrants (was: Re: Stats request)

2013-11-27 Thread CJ Aronson
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:56 AM, John Curran wrote: > On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > The word you are looking for there, John, is "has become". We've already > seen > > multiple reports from members of the community that they are deadlocked > on this > > issue because th

Re: [arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 exhaustion

2013-11-24 Thread CJ Aronson
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > Yes, but it limits that use to strictly transitional technology > deployment, not general IPv4 utilization. > > I think this is something we should be discussing. Right now the only post run out policy ARIN has is for the last /10. You

Re: [arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 exhaustion

2013-11-22 Thread CJ Aronson
This is why RIPE and APNIC both have their last /8 policy. Anyone can get a /22 once out of the last /8 (til there are no more). Both are now signing up tons of new customers. Both are generating a large amount of revenue. The small guys can all get their /22. Just sayin' -Cathy On Fr

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

2013-09-19 Thread CJ Aronson
ing, John wrote: > Right, I just wanted to point out for clarity that for 2013-4 the > preferred path is to continue through the ARIN PDP process. And thanks for > all the good information (Cathy too). > > > > From: Jason Schiller > Date: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:00 AM > T

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

2013-09-18 Thread CJ Aronson
Chris there is no process for "globally coordinated" policies. I wrote one long ago but it never went anywhere. Cathy On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Chris Grundemann wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, CJ Aronson wrote: > >> Someone help

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

2013-09-18 Thread CJ Aronson
Someone help me here. I am not sure this would qualify as a "global policy" in terms of the ASO MOU. The document is here http://archive.icann.org/en/aso/aso-mou-29oct04.htm I have always been told that an global policy is distinctly one that regulates the interaction between ICANN/IANA and the RI