Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Experience Report Working Group Leasing Question

2023-05-08 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
For one ARIN is technically out of IPv4. 2 - Every Upstream provider I have gotten bandwidth from requires us to use "their" provided IP Block in front of our block. Albeit 1 or 2 usable IP's. They also never let us pass through BGP announcing. They take our ASN BGP and convert to their ASN BGP

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended

2022-08-24 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
Currently leasing is the only reliable way to get IPv4 since EXHAUSTION, in a timely manner. From: "Fernando Frediani" To: "arin-ppml" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 11:32:01 AM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended Hello Scott Could you explain be

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-13: Clean-up of NRPM Section 2.10

2022-08-23 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
ucture should probably be treated differently than a single site with a single subnet. Paul On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 2:05 PM David Farmer via ARIN-PPML < arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote: > Opposed as written. > > I agree; the new definition is less clear and way more abstract, in my >

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies

2022-08-06 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
Go back and read John's comments again. He did say heirs/successors had rights in probate. I asked him to repeat that and he did. - Original Message - From: "Mark Andrews" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 9:05:25 PM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN actions regarding address blocks with no valid POCs (was: Re: Deceased Companies?)

2022-08-04 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
If I understood what John clarified for me earlier in this thread ... Many of the Legacy blocks will not be under NPRM and ARIN has to tread very carefully on trying to claw these addresses back. Many blocks that might be abandoned fall into legacy, especially /24's, assigned pre-ARIN. As always,

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-28 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
S ole proprietors can get resources but it is difficult and time consuming to jump through ARIN hoops for us. You still have to register with Secretary of State which Missouri did not do for sole proprietors when I started my ARIN process. However it became a little easier when we formed a LLC

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
John If I remember correctly, you are about 56? I only have 8 years on you :-) - Original Message - From: "William Herrin" To: "John Curran" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 4:42:26 PM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies? On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 2:28 PM John Curran

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
Bill You said what I tried to remember and say. :-) You forget "Inside The Beltway" One could never win tortuous interference lawsuit of this nature. We do not speak their language which the Federal Courts also speak in the DC Circuit. :-) It is business as usual for them. :-( They probably

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
onsider our worl perfect I guess John From: "John Curran" To: "pmcnary" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 3:07:43 PM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies? Paul - I have no idea what "if I obtained a legacy IP block and tried to clean u

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
ject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies? Paul - I have no idea what "if I obtained a legacy IP block and tried to clean up the registration” even means? If you obtain a legacy block via the transfer market, it will already have been verified and cleaned up by the seller as part of the tr

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
ed is the single source of truth for what the community has agreed belongs in the routing table. But if I configure your number resources internally in my network, good luck finding any judge that will rule that I have somehow stolen your property by configuring a binary number in my network de

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
that will rule that I have somehow stolen your property by configuring a binary number in my network devices. Number resources are just integers, and nobody can lay claim of property ownership on an integer. End of story. Matt On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:20 PM Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
at ARIN is keeping updated is the single source of truth for what the community has agreed belongs in the routing table. But if I configure your number resources internally in my network, good luck finding any judge that will rule that I have somehow stolen your property by configuring a bina

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
my network, good luck finding any judge that will rule that I have somehow stolen your property by configuring a binary number in my network devices. Number resources are just integers, and nobody can lay claim of property ownership on an integer. End of story. Matt On Mon, Jul 25, 2

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
Also an individual LLC Limited Liability Company MUST use a fictitious name in Missouri and not it's federal business name. Ask me how I know. I went though this. - Original Message - From: "arin-ppml" To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 2:45:00 PM Su

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
Ronald Here is a tidbit. In Missouri an individual ie. sole proprietorship can form an LLC. In Missouri LLC can also mean Limited Liability Companay. In that instance your definition of LLC would be incorrect. This type LLC falls under individual legal business model and not corporate as you are i

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
panies? On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:19 PM John Curran wrote: > > On 25 Jul 2022, at 3:12 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 11:18 AM Paul E McNary wrote: > >> Then why the threat? > > In my opinion? ARIN has a legal house of cards built on the premise &g

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
. You asked him a specific question with a non-responsive answer as I always get from him. - Original Message - From: "William Herrin" To: "pmcnary" Cc: "Fernando Frediani" , "arin-ppml" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 2:12:39 PM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Dec

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
ent: Monday, July 25, 2022 2:12:39 PM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies? On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 11:18 AM Paul E McNary wrote: > Then why the threat? Hi Paul, In my opinion? ARIN has a legal house of cards built on the premise that there are no property rights in IP addresses. It&#x

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
;William Herrin" To: "pmcnary" Cc: "Fernando Frediani" , "arin-ppml" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 2:12:39 PM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies? On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 11:18 AM Paul E McNary wrote: > Then why the threat? Hi Paul, In my opinion? ARIN

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
John Can you please speak Regular US English I did not understand your staement at all :-( - Original Message - From: "John Curran" To: "William Herrin" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 1:35:08 PM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies? > On 25 Jul 2022, at 2:09 PM, Wil

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
Bill Then why the threat? - Original Message - From: "William Herrin" To: "Fernando Frediani" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 1:09:47 PM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies? On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 8:02 AM Fernando Frediani wrote: > Question here John: if the resou

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
ml" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:46:31 AM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies? Paul - That’s quite strange, since we’d already had estates probated with number resources at that time. Rights to number resources are not “freely held property” but rather similar to any oth

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
It was you John Curran at WISPAMERICA when it was at Louisville I think. So Legacy Resources or any Resources remain with the Estate, That is excellent to know! At the time your argument was that Number Resources were not property that could be probated. Your view was that Number Resources wer

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
I was told by John in person that heirs/successors had no legal rights to legacy resources. This was also repeated by ARIN staff at the time. They would be automatically recovered on death. - Original Message - From: "Chris Woodfield" To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" , "arin-ppml" Sent: Mond

Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

2022-07-25 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
"voluntarily dissolved corporations" This term has caused me much grief with ARIN. I being a sole proprietorship had many issues and 2 years proving who I was to get resources. Amd it is almost impossible to get legacy resources transferred by ARIN if from sole proprietorship. It looks like sole

Re: [arin-ppml] Reclamation of Number Resources

2022-07-18 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
John you just did discuss the resource holder publicly in question. You stated you reviewed the case in question. Go back and look at your own words. You shared that they had been properly vetted with policy in place at the time, did you not? That is a public statement, is it not? Your Inside

Re: [arin-ppml] Reclamation of Number Resources

2022-07-14 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
John You keep using the word fraud. This is not an issue of fraud by my understanding but ARIN POLICY. Please correct your misuse of your language. PLEASE - Original Message - From: "John Curran" To: "William Herrin" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:23:49 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [arin-ppml] Board Election Petition underway

2021-10-28 Thread Paul Andersen - ARIN
- the Board will not be commenting on the list on your feedback until the current election process comes closer to conclusion. Cheers, Paul > On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Chris Woodfield wrote: > > First, I invite ARIN staff or Trustees to please advise if discussion of >

Re: [arin-ppml] NomCom misbehavior

2021-10-10 Thread Paul Andersen - ARIN
that the community focus its feedback and comments on constructive input. If any community member has a specific account of bad faith to relay, please communicate that directly to me and/or ARIN’s General Counsel. Thank you, Paul Andersen Chair, ARIN Board of Tru

Re: [arin-ppml] Proposal to ban Leasing of IP Addresses in the ARIN region

2021-09-23 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
However I see policies getting made that cause a great conflict of Interest. From: "John Curran" To: "Owen DeLong" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 6:13:11 AM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Proposal to ban Leasing of IP Addresses in the ARIN region Owen - I do not deci

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

2021-09-21 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
ARIN IPv4 is exhausted. Your statement makes no sense. Paul - Original Message - From: "William Herrin" To: "Paul E McNary" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 10:26:29 AM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Req

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

2021-09-21 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
Then how do we get random /24's routed. Since we have to justify for each /24 and usually if we need another /24 it will be disaggregated. I do not understand how any other way than for use to advertise it via bgp. Paul - Original Message - From: "William Herrin" Cc: &q

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-5: Update ISP and End User References For 2022 Fee Schedule

2021-09-21 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
Where can we see the new fee schedule mainly for ISP's? Thanks Paul From: "ARIN" To: "arin-ppml" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 10:06:24 AM Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-5: Update ISP and End User References For 2022 Fee Schedule On 16

Re: [arin-ppml] {Spam?} Re: Open Letter Regarding 650% Rate-Hike for Legacy Users

2021-09-19 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
the Beltway? Paul From: "arin-ppml" To: "Martin Hannigan" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:15:23 PM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] {Spam?} Re: Open Letter Regarding 650% Rate-Hike for Legacy Users On Sep 19, 2021, at 06:32 , Ma

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-16 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
inute. Now under web apps 5 to 10 minutes isn't uncommon for 1 fill. same applies to The Internet. Thanks for your comments| Paul From: "Martin Hannigan" To: "Paul E McNary" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re

Re: [arin-ppml] Open Letter Regarding 650% Rate-Hike for Legacy Users

2021-09-16 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
That's the way it is here also and that covers most of the low density rural areas and small towns and village in Missouri Statewide. Paul - Original Message - From: "scott" To: "Owen DeLong" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021

Re: [arin-ppml] {Spam?} Re: Open Letter Regarding 650% Rate-Hike for Legacy Users

2021-09-15 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
I think that should put to an all member vote on a matter like this. They have so many damn mailings, it is done on purpose so that they can say it was put out on this other mailing list. Either that or campaign for new board members. And John just as well be replaced also. He been there too lo

Re: [arin-ppml] {Spam?} Re: Proposal - Remove Initial Small Assignment Requirements for IPv6

2021-09-15 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
We never asked for a ticket. All of you were telling me that if I submitted a ticket that the result might be a claw back. Our Company could not afford that risk. Paul - Original Message - From: "John Curran" To: "Paul E McNary" Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: W

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-15 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
tlived his usefulness Paul McNary - Original Message - From: "arin-ppml" To: sc...@solarnetone.org Cc: "arin-ppml" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 11:44:09 AM Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Regis

Re: [arin-ppml] Proposal - Remove Initial Small Assignment Requirements for IPv6

2021-09-15 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
Can I at least get my 1 Legacy /24 that my dear colleague/friend gave me transferred to me with minimal documentation? See you proved my point nobody works together inside the beltway. Especially for some of us pioneers. :-( - Original Message - From: hostmas...@uneedus.com To: "P

Re: [arin-ppml] Proposal - Remove Initial Small Assignment Requirements for IPv6

2021-09-15 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
to serve them Owen you teflon-ed any responsibility because you are a volunteer. (no responsibility) New and improved Simple and cheap The facts are not on your side. Thank for all your help ARIN (Much sarcasm if you couldn;t tell) Paul McNary - Original Message - From: "Owen DeLo

Re: [arin-ppml] [ARIN] [PPML] Proposal - Remove Initial Small Assignment Requirements for IPv6

2021-09-14 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
dress these issues that you can't supply resources to remote rural areas to SMB's. I will assume no response from John with a solution he is slapping us as a fly again So I would say ARIN has cost us close to $750,000 Simple and cheap? Paul McNary pmcn...@cameron.net ----- Original M

Re: [arin-ppml] Proposal - Remove Initial Small Assignment Requirements for IPv6

2021-09-14 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
ng about ARIN's bureaucratic shit to jump through. That's how ARIN has helped our company. Cheap and inexpensive hell no. So please explain Paul McNary pmcn...@cameron.net - Original Message - From: "Dan Oachs" To: "arin-ppml" Sent: Tuesday, September

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-11 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
I must somewhat agree. Our fiber provide to our ISP just recently rolled out ipv6 but not dual stack. We have a great deal of problems routing to ipv6 hosts from our customers ipv6 ip addresses. We have trouble with our Verizon phones on ipv6 getting to our routers. People out in the country putt

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-08 Thread Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
This discussion has me so confused! What is up, what is down, what is left, what is right. I seem to be hearing, if you want this, you have to hold your mouth just right, and then you can't do that. None of this discussion has made any sense to me Paul McNary From: "O

Re: [arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-2020-2

2021-01-14 Thread Paul Andersen - ARIN
the board? While it’s clear that all Board members would be aware of > this, would they be encouraged to keep it in mind, or to explicitly put it > aside, as part of each member’s individual decision-making criteria? (and if > not, should they be?) > > Thanks, > > -C >

Re: [arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-2020-2

2021-01-14 Thread Paul Andersen - ARIN
process is always enhanced by plentiful community input. Cheers, Paul — Paul Andersen, P. Eng Chair, ARIN Board of Trustees p...@arin.net > On Jan 14, 2021, at 11:00 AM, Michael B. Williams > wrote: > > Question for ARIN Employees/ others on PPLM - > > How does ARIN analyze

Re: [arin-ppml] Oppose Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2

2020-11-02 Thread Paul Andersen
he AC on how to proceed. In this case the Board reviewed the data provided and decided this was the correct course of action. I’m not sure I would agree with your characterization of “without a change in the rules”. Cheers, Paul Andersen Chair, ARIN Board

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-04-14 Thread Paul Andersen
this seriously in the past and give them serious deliberation. Look forward to seeing the discussion and input. Cheers, Paul ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@a

Re: [arin-ppml] Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

2019-06-06 Thread Paul Andersen
board that is fully an option; however, it may involve delaying resumption of the waiting list. Cheers, Paul > On Jun 6, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Michael Williams via ARIN-PPML > wrote: > > If the only choice is to not issue or issue /22, I suppose resuming. > > Sent from m

Re: [arin-ppml] Of interest?

2019-05-18 Thread Paul McNary
The notary point John raises is valid. ARIN does thoroughly vet transfers that I have known about. After that it is a criminal act outside of their action other than testify and observe and file paperwork. They appear to have done good work in the fraud case. On 5/18/2019 10:50 PM, John Curran

Re: [arin-ppml] Of interest?

2019-05-18 Thread Paul McNary
State and get a new OrgID with ARIN. Still causes issues/ On 5/18/2019 10:26 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: In message <030cf8fa-201d-e8c7-a548-7cb3a7122...@cameron.net>, Paul McNary wrote: A Sole Proprietorship 1040 Schedule C does not have to be registered with the State of Missouri

Re: [arin-ppml] Of interest?

2019-05-18 Thread Paul McNary
Ronald A Sole Proprietorship 1040 Schedule C does not have to be registered with the State of Missouri. Your Social Security Number is all that is required. Department of revenue issues you a number for Sales Tax and Withholding Taxes. The Feds give you a Withholding employer ID. However you d

Re: [arin-ppml] the bad 240/4 idea, was Solving the squatting problem

2019-05-17 Thread Paul Wilson
may not have been, and maybe we’ll say the same in another 10. Paul. Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC d...@apnic.net http://www.apnic.net @apnicdg On 18 May 2019, at 3:49, David Farmer wrote: Personally, I'm m

Re: [arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-04-29 Thread Paul Andersen
encouraged. Cheers, Paul — Paul Andersen Chair, ARIN Board of Trustees >>>>> Open to the general public. Provides a forum to raise and discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing and proposed ARIN policies. The PPML list is an intrinsic part of ARIN’s Pol

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN discontinuing DNSSEC capability to legacy holders

2018-10-05 Thread Paul Ebersman
rfg>1) I confess that I know virtually nothing about DNSSEC. I do rfg>know one thing however, which is that there's such a thing, rfg>in the world of domain names, as a "self signed" SSL rfg>certificate. DNSSEC follows a chain of trust from the root or trust anchor th

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN discontinuing DNSSEC capability to legacy holders

2018-10-04 Thread Paul Andersen
. Cheers, Paul > On Oct 4, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > > >> On Oct 4, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Michael Sinatra >> wrote: >> I have received word of an apparent change in ARIN operational policy... >> ...no longer accepting DNSSEC DS records

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL - Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Improved IPv6 Registration Requirements

2017-10-12 Thread Paul Andersen
being called. In the case of 2017-5 the shall/should discussion had ample discussion. Paul > On Oct 12, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Jason Schiller wrote: > > Can the PPM chair call separate questions? > ___ PPML You are receiving this message bec

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-08-17 Thread Paul McNary
Sorry I typed the numbers backwards, yes, that is what I meant. :-) A /48 is smaller than a /47 and would not be required to be registered? A /47 would need to be On 8/17/2017 1:30 PM, Chris Woodfield wrote: The opposite - a /47 is 2 /48s aggregated. -C On Aug 17, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Paul

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-08-17 Thread Paul McNary
A /47 is smaller than a /48 and would not be required to be registered? On 8/17/2017 12:50 PM, hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: I note that any ISP size reassignment, with the recommended /48 for each end user site, will be /47 or larger, which must always be registered. Thus, I think 6.5.5.5 l

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-26 Thread Paul McNary
Hello Owen I think we are really almost in total agreement! :-) I think we use words a little differently, but It think we want a similar result. "Address Tracking" was not on my concerns list except for possible CPNI violations which I see a solution of how to handle this. Take care P

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-25 Thread Paul McNary
ve good. :-) The world doesn't need to know my Access Points or neighborhood routers, etc. I think I need to get off my soapbox and take a nap now! I know I ramble a lot, but getting too old to change much! :-) Thanks Take care Paul On 7/25/2017 5:17 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote: If I, as an

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-25 Thread Paul McNary
Owen Several weeks ago geolocation was one of the arguments for having accurate whois in this thread. This is no longer being argued? Paul On 7/25/2017 4:26 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Huh? WHOIS is not a geolocation service and anyone who thinks it is should reduce their use of recreational

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-25 Thread Paul McNary
ou believe to be errant in nature, I’m happy to try and work with staff to make sure they get clarified. Owen On Jul 24, 2017, at 12:01 , Paul McNary <mailto:pmcn...@cameron.net>> wrote: https://www.arin.net/resources/request/reassignments.html On 7/24/2017 1:28 PM, Owen DeLong wro

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-24 Thread Paul McNary
I agree with that! Paul On 7/24/2017 2:00 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: The current proposal language says: /47 or shorter are SWIP’d in all cases. /48 or longer are SWIP’d if they are independently announced. Owen On Jul 24, 2017, at 11:53 , Paul McNary wrote: What does the

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-24 Thread Paul McNary
Then that totally negates the reasoning for geolocation. The administrative address could be on the other side of the earth. Paul On 7/24/2017 1:31 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jul 20, 2017, at 14:28 , hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: My transit bus example is another example of SWIP difficulty

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-24 Thread Paul McNary
https://www.arin.net/resources/request/reassignments.html On 7/24/2017 1:28 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jul 20, 2017, at 13:51 , Paul McNary <mailto:pmcn...@cameron.net>> wrote: Owen The reassignment policy page says IPv6 has to be done vi API. Is that something else that is inc

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-24 Thread Paul McNary
What does the new language say? I then am totally confused as I am with the rest of the NPRM! So many contradictions using Missouri English. Paul On 7/24/2017 1:22 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: That’s not what the new language actually says. Owen On Jul 20, 2017, at 13:26 , Paul McNary wrote

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6 - updated 2017-07-21

2017-07-21 Thread Paul McNary
+1 On 7/21/2017 12:34 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote: This looks good: I support. For clarity, so we don't all have to do it, and to help make sure we're not missing anything, here's what the resulting 6.5.5 looks like after modification: 6.5.5. Registration ISPs are required to demonstrate eff

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6 - updated 2017-07-21

2017-07-21 Thread Paul McNary
d one wasn't, but we basically had to shift all customers to NAT since we didn't make it in time to get our own IPv4 allocation. Getting an IPv6 allocation is waiting on our fiber provider providing dual stack and the issues you are some what addressing in this current policy making. Thanks P

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-20 Thread Paul McNary
Owen The reassignment policy page says IPv6 has to be done vi API. Is that something else that is incorrect on the web site? Paul On 7/20/2017 3:16 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: How can it be overly difficult to fill out an email template with your customers’ Name, Address, Phone Number? Really

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-20 Thread Paul McNary
Yes /48 is the SWIP boundary. /48 is SWIP'ed. /49 is not. Paul On 7/20/2017 3:07 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: My recommendation was “shorter than /48” which would essentially mean the same thing. Owen On Jul 17, 2017, at 15:46 , hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: The language of "b)

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-20 Thread Paul McNary
e can accommodate. Take care Paul On 7/20/2017 3:06 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: This makes the best case I can imagine for why setting the boundary at /56 is a bad idea and we should not be considering anything longer than /48. Owen On Jul 17, 2017, at 15:40 , Paul McNary <mailto:pmcn...@cameron.net

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-17 Thread Paul McNary
+1 That is what I agree with. However reading the ARIN reassignment web page they are showing policy that /60 should be SWIP'ed on IPv6 and /29 on IPv4. Thanks you Paul On 7/17/2017 5:46 PM, hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: The language of "b)" actually makes more sense with a /4

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-17 Thread Paul McNary
32. I think that has finally changed. However ARIN's assignment web page indicates we should be SWIP'ing /29's on IPv4 by policy or risk ARIN action. Thank you Paul McNary pmcn...@cameron.net On 7/17/2017 5:09 PM, Leif Sawyer wrote: Shepherd of the draft policy chiming in. Thanks f

[arin-ppml] Correcte: Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-17 Thread Paul McNary
Tony If BCP (Best Current Practices) = BGP I would agree that IP's that are BGP routable should be the proper place to place the SWIP requirement. Anything not BGP routable should be considered local routed. That is my current idea of what would work. Paul On 7/17/2017 4:25 PM, Tony

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-17 Thread Paul McNary
Tony Do you mean BGP instead of BCP. I agree that IP's that are BGP routable should be the proper place to place the SWIP requirement. Anything not BGP routable should be considered local routed. Paul On 7/17/2017 4:25 PM, Tony Hain wrote: John, I think we are in violent agreement

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-17 Thread Paul McNary
The way I understand, SWIP can be voluntary but with consequences at ARIN if we don't. Am I hearing wrong? Take care Paul pmcn...@cameron.net On 7/17/2017 2:11 PM, David R Huberman wrote: Can you define voluntary? Is the voluntary choice to record a reassignment up to the USP? Or

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-17 Thread Paul McNary
have always had trouble with your comments John, you are constantly making "veil" threats about our ability to receive ARIN resources. Then your staff says to ignore your "veil" threats. Paul McNary pmcn...@cameron.net On 7/17/2017 1:33 PM, Jason Schiller wrote: David, Can you

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-17 Thread Paul McNary
rivacy for Internet users. I guess we could SWIP the IP but put in Customer one and our POC information. I am sure Steve can tell page and verse about this. Thanks you Take care Paul McNary McNary Computer Service pmcn...@cameron.net On 7/16/2017 9:38 PM, John Curran wrote: On 16 Jul 2017, at 8:4

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-16 Thread Paul McNary
we are still required to follow the Internet policy rule making. Thank you Take care Paul McNary McNary Computer Services pmcn...@cameron.net On 7/15/2017 8:18 PM, hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: Harvesting of customer data is something that has not really been addressed in the ARIN region, because

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-15 Thread Paul McNary
provide /56 to end users, then I will rethink my thought process. Anything smaller than a minimum ARIN allocation, should not have to be swip'ed or under their control. Am I not understanding this correctly? Thank you Paul McNary McNary Computer Services pmcn...@cameron.net On 7/15/2

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-06-06 Thread Paul McNary
t way. Every had a /25 that the other associated /25 had spammers on it? Lots of fun! :-) Now if the blacklist characters would work with the smaller IP ranges that would be great, but will they? Paul McNary pmcn...@cameron.net On 6/6/2017 3:10 PM, Roberts, Orin wrote: /“Since we require

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2 and 8.3 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

2016-02-19 Thread Paul
However I was told by ARIN, a small ISP like me they could claw back any Legacy resources I acquired outside of the ARIN system. The big guys aren't intimidated by this but we are. The money required to even acquire 1 /24 is now big time. And lack of a direct allocation of IPv6 for $500 is a ma

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2 and 8.3 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

2016-02-18 Thread Paul
de IPv6 to our rural area. Please help me understand the bureaucracy that ARIN is? Thanks Paul McNary McNary Computer Services On 2/18/2016 10:50 PM, Randy Carpenter wrote: So, you are saying that you need addresses, but can't justify it? I keep hearing the argument and it makes no sense.

Re: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - November 2015

2015-11-24 Thread Paul
What is the status of a $500 ISP allotment of IPv6? John said soon at WISPAlooza. Thanks Paul McNary On 11/24/2015 2:52 PM, ARIN wrote: In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP), the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 19 November 2015. The AC recommended the following to the

Re: [arin-ppml] Smalest ISP v6 Allocation

2015-08-14 Thread Paul
+1 What Mike is saying! On 8/14/2015 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* I think a lot of times people forget about the little ISP that only has a /23 of IPv4. Heck, I know one guy that owns at least a half dozen ISPs, none of them more than 1k customers, most under 300. I think people get ca

Re: [arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility

2015-08-11 Thread Paul
We are an ISP. Will 4 different non-contiguous blocks be counted as 1 or 4 blocks for fees. Or is the block count the total of all combined /24's that we would get allocated? So a /22 (or 4 /24's) plus a /40 plus ASN for an ISP would be $500 annually? Thanks On 8/11/2015 11:22 PM, Jason Sc

Re: [arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility

2015-08-11 Thread Paul
each /24 block allocated even though nothing larger is available? Can we get an IPv6 allocation large enough when we file for AS number for a several month cross over from microwave to fiber? Thank you Paul McNary Internet Associates On 8/11/2015 9:29 PM, j...@rowenetworks.com wrote:

[arin-ppml] Today's Supreme Court ruling

2015-06-26 Thread Paul WALL
I hear the Supreme Court just ruled IPv6 legal in all states... What does this mean for the backward people who have been steadily resisting deploying the current version of the Internet Protocol? Drive Slow, Paul ___ PPML You are receiving this

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-03 Thread Paul S.
+1, I agree completely. On 9/4/2014 午前 02:29, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/23/14, 7:58, ARIN wrote: On 17 July 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-210 Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments" as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18 is below and can be found at: ht

Re: [arin-ppml] Federal Communication Commission

2014-05-18 Thread Paul S.
Err so, what are you actually proposing? On 5/18/2014 ?? 10:41, Meows wrote: Hundreds of thousands of us worked with groups like Demand Progress, CREDO and Free Press, flooding the FCC with so many calls that they had to literally turn their phones off. *That still wasn't enough to stop Ch

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Paul S.
Not seeing anything I disagree with in the PDF, so just as I supported the original, I support this too. On 5/6/2014 7:44 AM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with a redline version to assist. I would appreciate any feedback of su

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy discussion - Method of calculating utilization

2014-04-30 Thread Paul S.
If this was actually drafted, I would too. Doesn't seem like a bad thing. On 5/1/2014 午後 03:19, Owen DeLong wrote: I would support. Owen On Apr 30, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Friends, Colleagues, A couple of years ago I brought up an issue I had run into where the utilization r

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy discussion - Method of calculating utilization

2014-04-30 Thread Paul S.
Jeffrey, While the idea is great, isn't ARIN supposed to already be implementing this in one way? i.e: You get one allocation, and until you can show 80% usage -- applying again generally does not get you anywhere. Going by this, shouldn't all previous allocs ("aggregated / per organizatio

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce allMinimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Emmons
Support as well. Paul Emmons From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:59 PM To: pol...@arin.net; ARIN PPML (p...@arin.net) Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment

Re: [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal

2014-04-01 Thread Paul Andersen
t are the right actions to resolve those. I continue to watch the mailing list thread with interest. Thanks to all who have provided constructive input to the committee and of course welcome further feedback either directly or to the mailing list. Hope that helps... Cheers, Paul Chair, ARI

Re: [arin-ppml] Potentially credible v4 number pricing data

2014-03-04 Thread Paul WALL
Customers. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: > Money comes from somewhere, right? > On Mar 4, 2014 10:56 PM, "Martin Hannigan" > > > wrote: > >> What does private equity and M&A have to do with longer or shorter prefix >> value? >> >> There's a market for all lengths/sizes. Clearly

Re: [arin-ppml] 8.2 Transfers at ARIN

2013-12-10 Thread Paul Vixie
Owen DeLong wrote: > ... > > If I were the allegedly acquired party and ARIN transferred my resources > based solely on > the statement of some $LARGE_CONVICTED_FELON_SOFTWARE_HOUSE officer, I’d be > very upset if I hadn’t actually been acquired. > > I’m not saying that your company was attempti

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