Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

Yeah Nvidia graphics is an instant nope from me especially in a laptop. On a desktop you gotta go way back (gtx 680) to get any decent performance out of noveau. Just stay away, far away. On 25 April 2017 05:12:44 GMT+03:00, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >On Mon, Apr

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

Well, you are not getting a quad core tho On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 5:12 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Allan Mwenda > wrote: > > I'd personally fund Thinkpenguin way before System76, just because they > > don't

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

I'd personally fund Thinkpenguin way before System76, just because they don't use NVIDIA, but i noticed the new Galago Pro laptop doesn't as well. On 24 April 2017 10:15:40 GMT+03:00, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:25 AM, Lyberta

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 04/24/2017 04:40 AM, John Luke Gibson wrote: > On 4/24/17, John Luke Gibson wrote: >> On 4/24/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> >>> lyberta, do look up eckart tolle's story, it's very very funny (and >>> relevant). ok ok i can't resist telling

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 04/24/2017 04:37 AM, John Luke Gibson wrote: > On 4/24/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >> lyberta, do look up eckart tolle's story, it's very very funny (and >> relevant). ok ok i can't resist telling the tale: he was an academic, >> in some of the worst

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 04/24/2017 05:20 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:40 AM, John Luke Gibson > wrote: > >> Oops I meant to send that just to Luke, Not the whole list,

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:40 AM, John Luke Gibson wrote: > Oops I meant to send that just to Luke, Not the whole list, sorry not a problem > everybody for any bit derailing mt comments may be

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 4/24/17, John Luke Gibson wrote: > On 4/24/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >> lyberta, do look up eckart tolle's story, it's very very funny (and >> relevant). ok ok i can't resist telling the tale: he was an academic, >> in some of the worst

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 4/24/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > lyberta, do look up eckart tolle's story, it's very very funny (and > relevant). ok ok i can't resist telling the tale: he was an academic, > in some of the worst (bitchiest) back-stabbing in-fighting for funding > and "status"

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 4/24/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:25 AM, Lyberta wrote: > >> There is a line that you may cross after which there is almost no >> return. If the whole world is extremist and fascist, then you fix it >> with extremism

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Lyberta wrote: > Bill Kontos: > > No, don't worry. I don't call names on anyone. As RMS said, I'm not glad > > that he died, but I'm glad that he's gone. I believe in the value of > human > > life above all else. It would be immoral( imo) to

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:25 AM, Lyberta wrote: > There is a line that you may cross after which there is almost no > return. If the whole world is extremist and fascist, then you fix it > with extremism and terrorism. y'know... there's a famous black civil rights activist

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

\On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > No, don't worry. I don't call names on anyone. As RMS said, I'm not glad > that he died, but I'm glad that he's gone. I believe in the value of human > life above all else. even the worst person in the world, if we

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 04/23/2017 02:12 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 4:25 PM, zap wrote: > >> I get the feeling your trying to say, back anyone who offers an >> alternative

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

No, don't worry. I don't call names on anyone. As RMS said, I'm not glad that he died, but I'm glad that he's gone. I believe in the value of human life above all else. It would be immoral( imo) to apply crude logic to this. I do not celebrate the death of any human being no matter how savage or

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 4:25 PM, zap wrote: > I get the feeling your trying to say, back anyone who offers an > alternative to proprietary software yes? yes, for goodness sake yes. people

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 04/23/2017 01:07 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> While someone's at it, perhaps Think Penguin should be contacted. >> Actually, I just checked and they seem to have invited Luke to their >> table at HOPE, so they are well aware of and interested in the project. > they're the

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

> While someone's at it, perhaps Think Penguin should be contacted. > Actually, I just checked and they seem to have invited Luke to their > table at HOPE, so they are well aware of and interested in the project. they're the sponsor of the 15.6in libre laptop, tor :) zap, john, lyberta: yeah

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Allan Mwenda wrote: > I've asked a System76 staffer if they'd work with EOMA68 i emailed the founders yesterday after being told by sa...@system76.com their email addresses. what i want to do is to offer them an opportunity to discuss

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

Bill Kontos: > I'm tired of all the purists that will bash every company that does a > step in the right direction but does not go all the way through, even when > that company was started somewhere around 2005 in a guy's basement when the > ecosystem was much less mature and they had almost no

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 22/04/17 00:20, Bill Kontos wrote: ...snip... > So anyway, they do provide to the libre world. Nothing is locking you > into only using ubuntu in their laptops and all the code they are writing > is FOSS. I'm tired of all the purists that will bash every company that > does a step in the right

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 04/22/2017 06:20 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > This discussion is of limited usefulness when it comes to system76 > making laptop or desktop housings, because their laptops are not > developed in-house, the cases, keyboards, trackpads and screens are > outsourced from Clevo. If you want libre

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

I think what makes people upset is that there is very little practical difference between ubuntu and debian. That simply their is much proprietary software which in their view has no business being on ubuntu, as it provides no service to the user. I don't think it's purist so much as a legitimate

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

I've asked a System76 staffer if they'd work with EOMA68 On 22 April 2017 13:20:55 GMT+03:00, Bill Kontos wrote: >This discussion is of limited usefulness when it comes to system76 >making >laptop or desktop housings, because their laptops are not developed >in-house, the

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > So anyway, they do provide to the libre world. Nothing is locking you into > only using ubuntu in their laptops and all the code they are

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

This discussion is of limited usefulness when it comes to system76 making laptop or desktop housings, because their laptops are not developed in-house, the cases, keyboards, trackpads and screens are outsourced from Clevo. If you want libre cards from them there is absolutely no way to convince

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 4/22/17, Lyberta wrote: > zap: >> System76 isn't really a good idea due to the ubuntu and linux rather >> than even debian or free software and libre... Trisquel would be by far >> better free software wise, but I think you get my point, >> Ubuntu is nowhere near as free

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 4/21/17, Allan Mwenda wrote: > By your analogy, you need to teach the barbarians to farm, then noone dies > period. If you lived in that village and the barbarians came and it was your > wife's turn to be slaughtered for the greater good... > Presumably that's what

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

zap: > System76 isn't really a good idea due to the ubuntu and linux rather > than even debian or free software and libre... Trisquel would be by far > better free software wise, but I think you get my point, > Ubuntu is nowhere near as free software friendly as debian. at least by > default

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

By your analogy, you need to teach the barbarians to farm, then noone dies period. If you lived in that village and the barbarians came and it was your wife's turn to be slaughtered for the greater good... On 22 April 2017 03:17:19 GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson wrote:

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On 04/21/2017 08:19 PM, John Luke Gibson wrote: > Having less proprietary software, means less backdoors, less > surveillance, less knowledge barriers, less remote theft of computing > resources, etc. It's not perfect, but it's less of the disturbing > stuff. I agree with that thought process,

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

> Compromise is a trap and why theres no libre wifi and gpus Lyberta talked about (and I responded about) "respect", not "compromise" or even "collaborate". Stefan ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

"Please let us add *insert proprietary here* because its *convenient/affordable/any other reason other than good for the user*" There's making deals that are win win and theres digging a hole that you then get stuck in yourself. On 21 April 2017 23:02:17 GMT+03:00, Christopher Havel

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

Allan, please help me remember never to try to make a deal with you. Compromise is the art of two or more parties entering into a partnership where they each get some of what they want. You scratch my back and I will scratch yours. The journey to completely open software is one of those journeys

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On Apr 21, 2017 3:40 PM, "Allan Mwenda" wrote: Compromise is a trap Agreed. But I don't see anyone advocating compromise. If Luke were to say "It's okay, make an EOMA-68 laptop with proprietary hardware, and just ship blobs on the EOMA-68 card that comes with it", that

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

Compromise is a trap and why theres no libre wifi and gpus On 21 April 2017 21:24:38 GMT+03:00, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Couple of points that got my attention. They say Linux instead of >> GNU/Linux. Open source instead of Free/Libre Software. They also >> mentioned

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:04:07PM -0700, Mike Leimon wrote: >> >> I understand that Ubuntu isn't your distro of choice (it isn't mine either) > > It isnt a question of whether Ubuntu is my distro of choice. > Distros

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

> While I understand what you are saying I don't see how having one of > the most Linux friendly laptop manufacturers making a laptop based on > the EOMA68 standard would be a bad idea. Let's say hypothetically, they > decided to make the most awesome modular EOMA68 laptop possible, dual usb-c >

[Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

Lyberta: > Couple of points that got my attention. They say Linux instead of > GNU/Linux. Open source instead of Free/Libre Software. They also > mentioned Ubuntu. This was enough to me to stop having any respect for > them. At least based on that post. While I understand what you are saying I

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 5:10 AM, Allan Mwenda wrote: > Well i dunno, system76 would want to make the fastest card not necessarily > the freest. i sort-of thought about this overnight, and i

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

Well i dunno, system76 would want to make the fastest card not necessarily the freest. On 20 April 2017 19:14:27 GMT+03:00, Mike Leimon wrote: >Luke, et.al. > >I saw this blog post a couple of nights ago: > >http://blog.system76.com/post/159767214983/entering-phase-three >

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

Mike Leimon: > Luke, et.al. > > I saw this blog post a couple of nights ago: > > http://blog.system76.com/post/159767214983/entering-phase-three Couple of points that got my attention. They say Linux instead of GNU/Linux. Open source instead of Free/Libre Software. They also mentioned Ubuntu.

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Mike Leimon wrote: > Luke, et.al. > > I saw this blog post a couple of nights ago: > > http://blog.system76.com/post/159767214983/entering-phase-three > > and I was

[Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

Luke, et.al. I saw this blog post a couple of nights ago: http://blog.system76.com/post/159767214983/entering-phase-three and I was thinking to myself that it might not be a half bad idea to try and contact these guys and see if they might be interested in making an EOMA-68 laptop and maybe