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I fully agree with Rick.
The line of code is an easy metric for other programming but does not reflect
the quality and/or efficiency. But still all
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** And what's really stupid about the "lines of code" in a generic,
non-Remedy sense, is that quantity often != quality. Good programmers
might ha
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Excellent answer
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Excellent answer
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Thanks for the thoughts folks, I&
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Well I think this points up an major underlying weakness of *all*
structured disciplines, be it CMMI, Six Sigma, ISO, or whatever -- it
all depends on the people *implement
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The really stupid thing is that the CMM/CMMI only defines lines of code
as a "Suggested" unit of measure. They also
Great answer.
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Thanks for the thoughts folks, I've decided to tell them... 42.
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Oh contraire! Since the 1980s?! You'd be shocked. It seems like a
biggie with CMM/CMMI organizations. Both Gary (who posted earlier) a
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Geez . . . no one has used the "lines of source code" (SLOC) measurement
since the 1980's! It wa
etc. and hand it in :-)
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Geez . . . no one has used the "lines of source code" (SLOC) measurement
since the 1980's! It was a poor metric then with monolithic languages
(Cobol
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Hmmm...Depending entirely on what they want this number for, I would
probably recommend not giving them a number.
Many organizations nowadays are foolishly using number of lines of code as a
benchmark for the complexity of
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You could just tell them "One, but it's rather long."
Seriously though - I'd ha
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Question: By "lines of codes we have in Remedy"
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All,
I've been asked to estimate the "number of lines of code we have in
Remedy". Any ideas on how to approach a question like that? Feel free
to save your response for Friday Humor if y
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Well, my last remedy custom app I wrote was a purchasing system. It is not
yet tied in with any other remedy apps, so it?s fairly smal
Question: By "lines of codes we have in Remedy" are your bosses looking for
the total number of lines of code in the AR System platform, the OOTB
workflow and forms, the form/workflow customizations you've done or some
combination of all three?
It would be quite difficult, and I'm pretty sure ille
Number of objects and database size are things they seem to grasp, but old
school people like number of lines. In my case I think they are looking at the
efficiency of rewriting old code currently on a mainframe in Remedy, rather
than dumping Remedy for something else. (Today at least.) In th
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David,
For fun, you could export your entire system to a .def file and give the line
count. Then,
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All,
I've been asked to estimate the "number of lines of code we have in Remedy".
Any ideas on how to approach a question like that? Feel free to save your
response for Friday Humor if you
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For our CMMI level 3 documentation, I take the number of lines in a def
file. It's usually pretty big, but it's as legit as a number as I can tell.
Thanks,
Gary Opela, Jr., RSP
Remedy Engine
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Maybe the answer to that would be if you exported all your workflow
Sadly, they've had me threaten to kill them far too often to take me seriously
about that any more.
David M Clark
Remedy Programmer/Analyst
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You could tell them that it's a closely held piece of BMC proprietary data,
and that if you told th
ke to maintain, enhance, and
support the application.
Good luck,
Matt R.
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m'if I'm way off base, please let me know.
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** You could tell them that it's a closely held piece of BMC proprietary data,
and that if you told them, you'd have to kill them.
Or, ask them what answer sounds good to them, and give them that number back.
Heck, you may even be right, and they&
"Lines of code" in Remedy?
** You could tell them that it's a closely held piece of BMC proprietary data,
and that if you told them, you'd have to kill them.
Or, ask them what answer sounds good to them, and give them that number back.
Heck, you may even be right, and the
David, we had to do that once at the afb, if I remember correctly.
Step one is to let your people know that Remedy doesn't use lines of
code in the way they would expect. You could give them the number of
objects in the admin tool, or you could try to count the number of
objects in the underly
You could tell them that it's a closely held piece of BMC proprietary data,
and that if you told them, you'd have to kill them.
Or, ask them what answer sounds good to them, and give them that number
back. Heck, you may even be right, and they'd never be able to prove you
wrong.
Or, you could si
All,
I've been asked to estimate the "number of lines of code we have in Remedy".
Any ideas on how to approach a question like that? Feel free to save your
response for Friday Humor if you prefer.
Thanks,
-David
David M Clark
Remedy Programmer/Analyst
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