[THIS IS A REJOINDER FROM SRI SANJIB GOSWAMI, MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA, who after
knowing that I had put his views into Assamnet has asked me to send the
remaining part that he had sent to his batch mates. I thought, why not, as the
issue generated so much passion and ratiocination: -]
I do not
On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:14 PM, kamal deka wrote:
You are one who blabbered about root cause,not me.
Just so we are clear on WHAT root causes I might have blabbered about,
will you
tell us what the CONTEXT of that was? Why I ask is to make sure everybody knows
if it is ACTUALLY about
There is a vacuous assumption of commonality among the people of the
Northeastern states of India.What exactly does the average Assamese have
in common with a Mizo,Naga or Arunachali?Very little.There is nothing
that makes one feel kinship with other apart from the small matter of
their
First,two wrongs don't make a right.
It is an evasive answer, attempt to change the subject. I ask the question
to point to the ROOT of the problem. To refuse to acknowledge the MAIN cause
while shedding tears over it to no end, is no different than 'the apathetic
people' of Assam that a
which should be quite apparent by now
*** If it were we won't be having these debates. But there is a solid wall of
denial of this reality that has led to where things stand today.
Question therefore should be WHAT fortifies this wall of denial?
On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:15 AM, uttam
Very briefly, I did not use the word Population.
I did use we find some groups of people demanding. And SOME GROUPS, does
not mean a whole population.
A simple, innocent word slipped in could change the entire meaning and
context. Happens quite a lot in this net :-)
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:53
Very briefly, I did not use the word Population.
I did use we find some groups of people demanding. And SOME GROUPS, does
not mean a whole population.
OK, fine , NOT the 'population' but 'some groups'!
But HOW could SOME groups' 'acceptance' therefore make it as pervasive a
Question therefore should be WHAT fortifies this wall of denial?
XXX I should think various factors would collaborate here. For a person with
vested interest, it would be in his own interest to subscribe to the view. But
for the otherwise well meaning people, there would be many factors, but
That is a lovely explanation Uttam. A benevolent one for sure. I suspect there
are less benevolent ones too :-).
On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:59 AM, uttam borthakur wrote:
Question therefore should be WHAT fortifies this wall of denial?
XXX I should think various factors would collaborate
To stick to one's known and stay away from unknown is a human
instinctive trait which can be termed as compartmentalisation.
There is no gainsaying the fact that ethnologically tribal people are
distinct from the people of the plains.At the same time one should not
think that hill people have
It is an evasive answer, attempt to change the subject. I ask the question
to point to the ROOT of the problem. To refuse to acknowledge the MAIN cause
while shedding tears over it to no end
I was about to hit the ceiling laughing:-).PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE
HORSE? THE CAUSE OR SOLUTION CAN
I was referring to you and not the population.The people of Assam are
well-cognizant about that.I disagree because they are illegals.As
simple as that.There we have a CM who openly says that there are no
aliens in Assam.That says a lot.
KJD
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Chan Mahanta
There we have a CM who openly says that there are no
aliens in Assam.That says a lot.
That CM is a duly ELECTED one according to the standards of
desi-demokrasy. Are you suggesting he does NOT represent the voice of Assam?
And are you also suggesting that the Kongress Party is an
You are one who blabbered about root cause,not me.The CM was elected
by the people but his opinion is certainly not in conformity withe
voice of the people.That was his own opinion.One has to be a
handicapped not to understand that.
KJD
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Chan Mahanta
Again,my response was undertaken based on your observation.Good night.
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com wrote:
There we have a CM who openly says that there are no
aliens in Assam.That says a lot.
That CM is a duly ELECTED one according to the standards
Not buying it.. Khasi,Garos, Nagas, Mizos never called them Assamese to
begin with. They had their own unique culture, religion and norms.
If that is so, what happened to the original people of those Mahabharat
times ?
Well, we relegated them to the backgroud, so much so that they are now
classed
Not buying it.. Khasi,Garos, Nagas, Mizos never called them Assamese to
begin with. They had their own unique culture, religion and norms.
I do agree with you.Identity cannot be IMPOSED.It is not some
ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCT that
can be willed.It has to be felt and shared.Its rhythms are found in
I haven't heard of any mass
murder, crimes by Assamese towards the tribal people. The writer seems to
harbour a guilty feeling. Can't comment on his or his forefathers' deeds
There were at least16 or 17 MLAs elected to the Assam Legislative
Assembly FROM THE UNRESERVED CONSTITUENCIES AND ALL OF
When did this
word come about and when did the Assamese language originate is confusing, but
it is well established that his word and this language is not from the days of
Mahabharat.If that is so, what happened to the original people of
those Mahabharat times
If we take the legitimacy of
that the only community that wants to get close to us as Assamese(others
want to
leave us anyway) i.e. the immigrants from present Bangladesh, are shunned
I have no problem with the fact that some foreigners might consider
themselves Assamese. But imagining that they are Assamese does not
make
Very well put KJD.
Many of the discussions like this involve a number of dichothomies.
Quite often, we find some groups of people demanding a unique identity for
Assam (or Kashmir as the case may be). The central theme is such cases is
Assam is so different from the rest of India, shares little
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Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 7:06:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Bangladeshis -the flip side of the story
I haven't heard of any mass
murder, crimes by Assamese towards the tribal people. The writer seems to
harbour a guilty feeling. Can't comment on his or his forefathers' deeds
, August 18, 2010 7:45:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Bangladeshis -the flip side of the story
Very well put KJD.
Many of the discussions like this involve a number of dichothomies.
Quite often, we find some groups of people demanding a unique identity for
Assam (or Kashmir as the case may be). The central
converted to Islam after coming into contact wth Azan Peer, are now no
longer
referred to Assamese by us, the bloody immigrants, but only as Asomiya
Musalman
Just a snipet from The Assam Tribune:
KJD
INDIGENOUS MUSLIMS CONCERNED OVER UNABATED INFLUX
Correspondent
SIVASAGAR, Nov 23 – That the
The central theme is such cases is
Assam is so different from the rest of India, shares little with it, that it
needs to be separate from India.
That is what IMAGINING a national identity is all about. What is India?
How is it different from Pakistan, or B'desh, or Nepal or SriLanka.
] Bangladeshis -the flip side of the story
I haven't heard of any mass
murder, crimes by Assamese towards the tribal people. The writer seems to
harbour a guilty feeling. Can't comment on his or his forefathers' deeds
There were at least16 or 17 MLAs elected to the Assam Legislative
Assembly
: Where were/are the border security forces? Whose responsibility is it to
secure the borders?
Two things again:
First,two wrongs don't make a right.
Secondly,your explanation is like this: since the cop can't catch
criminals,do away with the police department and criminal codes so
that the thugs
The following is surely not my view, as it comes from a tormentor, but as this
issue appears in this forum as well, I am quoting this person ad-verbatim, as
he has been busy doing some research on this subject and engaged in Immigration
Law related activities in Australia, as I am made to
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