*** It all points to a failure, or absence, of leadership.
At 10:42 PM -0700 7/30/07, Mridul Bhuyan wrote:
Dear Umesh Dilip Da,
Personally, I feel Engineers are best of the lot. They are very
analytical in approach and they can catch up anything very fast,
manage everything with
There is nothing wrong with an engineer becoming a 'bania'. There is
no moral, social or cultural prohibition against that. Nor is it a
sin of any kind for a company to hire top engineering graduates to
man call centers. After all, even those with engineering training
need to make a living.
Indian engineers, by and large cannot fix a leaky plumbing pipe, repair an
electric motor, build or even design a bamboo bridge or are trained to
design a better mousetrap.
But why is that? This lamentation or habitual comment , like many others,
have become a cliche.
In Assam,
Dear Uttam,
Thanks for reminding me. However, not so many years back, I had the
opportunity to work with GE in US. What my experience told me that many of the
high tech jobs, which in India, we can't even dreamt of being perfomed by a
non-engineer, have very efficiently been done by
Dear Mridul
I agree whole heartedly about what you say. Though I am a non-technical
person, I understand that you do not always need engineers to run many of the
works in a system. ( I thought you were referring to the fact that in India
many engineers are reduced to file pushers and
I agree wholeheartedly. Regarding the rejoicing part, let it remain like that.
:)
Mridul
uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Mridul
I agree whole heartedly about what you say. Though I am a non-technical
person, I understand that you do not always need engineers
At 10:04 PM -0700 7/29/07, Mridul Bhuyan wrote:
As far as engineers employed in India, I am not sure if being
creative or not makes any difference. Regarding most of the
engineering jobs in India, except in a few cases, I am not sure, if
Engineers are required at all :)
Mridul Bhuyan
Mridul,
How does it shake out if you draw a line between the public and private
sectors? If the private sector also is employing engineers just for the sake of
providing employment or because there is a position open for an engineering
degree holder, then there is a big problem.
I don't
Hi C'da
I am totally confused.
This is what you wrote the other day (about engineers):
However they are not the people who build nations, break new grounds or
solve problems in creative ways.
And today, (to Mridul's As far as engineers employed in India, I am not
sure if being creative or not
Here is something about India's government engineers ruling the globe:
http://www.bhel.com/bhel/overseasbusiness/international.htm
BHEL, ranking among the major power plant equipment suppliers in the world, is
one of the largest exporters of engineering products services from India.
Over the
Dear Dilip Da,
My regards to you. Yes, I live in Gurgaon, in India.
In private sector, all the big names like Reliance, AREVA, ABB, SIEMENS,
Crompton Greaves... etc are employing engineers but not because they need them
all, but due to the fact thay are available at a cheaper price.
Mridul-da,
Hmmm I can see where the anti-entrepreneurship attitude is leading to. Perhaps
you have heard that engineers are also becoming CEOs --IITians have become
phonemal investmant bankers -helped by the fact that not only they are good
number crunchers but alo they understand
Dear Umesh Dilip Da,
Personally, I feel Engineers are best of the lot. They are very analytical in
approach and they can catch up anything very fast, manage everything with care
and an engineer has the capability to run a company very successfully with or
without an MBA degree. However,
Mridul-da,
You make good points. Have you seen the movie Ek Doctor ki maut based on an
Indian researcher in 80s who commites suicide when his govt supervisor takes
creit for the vaccine he had developed = I think it was by Pankaj Kapoor - I
saw i while a college student at Delhi Univ - in the
O' Ram:
Hope your weekend is going well. We had a nice kharkhowa gathering,
along with some kolgutikhowas and even a couple of desuali folks
last evening. This has been the most pleasant of July weather I can
recall in our 32 years in St. Louis. A light breeze carrying mist
from the river
C-da,
Glad to hear that you had a great time this weekend. I am sure your tough life
at IIT as a budding architect made you doubly tenacious.
Best.
Umesh
Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi C'da,
I am glad you all had a great weekend. I am trying to send you a nice response
- but
As far as engineers employed in India, I am not sure if being creative or not
makes any difference. Regarding most of the engineering jobs in India, except
in a few cases, I am not sure, if Engineers are required at all :)
Mridul Bhuyan
Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Umesh,
My bad. I meant to quote: - I don't know about the nation building part.
Most engineers that I know would cringe at being given that responsibilty.
*** Engineers who have changed the face of the world, did not do so
out of an obligation for nation building. That was a result of what
Can you cite India's contributions to it?
Yes Chandan Mahanta :)
If your primary math
foundation is weak, you will never get to do intensive
math at high
school, forget science and engineering.
By this logic, with so many successful Indian
Engineers and Scientists in US and other
C'da
Being a non-engineer, and susori-musori pass kora individual, I may not be
qualified to comment in this high-flying math/engg. debate - but
nevertheless, I will try... you know, fools rush in where angels
One, is it is generally recognized that Indian graduating from Indian
schools are
Excellent Ram'da
C'da , let us know if you need any further statistics
.
However, for the following question, I guess you are
in a better position to answer
C: HOW these successful products of an
'excellent' Indian education
system have contributed to India's well being?
You being a
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C'da
Being a non-engineer, and susori-musori pass kora individual, I may not be
qualified to comment in this high-flying math/engg. debate - but nevertheless,
I will try
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/news_and_events/releases/science_07262007.html
Umesh Sharma
Washington D.C.
1-202-215-4328 [Cell]
Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005
http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu
Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting. Math is
used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental knowledge in math helps
students in all branches of science. A good grasp of math in high school helps
engineering students as well, across the board.
Dilip
At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting.
Math is used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental
knowledge in math helps students in all branches of science. A good
grasp of math in high school helps engineering
C-da,
But the article was about doing intensive coursework in math at high school
levele - not at an engineering college.
***But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does not
guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the academic
exams, can
Umesh,
Not every engineer needs to be creative. However every engineer should be
good in math, just to survive in the field. The design engineers need to know
what is behind the softwares they use now a days to solve engineering problems.
There are functions in engineering where a person can
Actually it has to be done at an earlier time--at primary school. By
high school time it is already too late. If your primary math
foundation is weak, you will never get to do intensive math at high
school, forget science and engineering.
At 6:38 PM -0700 7/27/07, umesh sharma wrote:
I should know something about engineers by now.
*** I wouldn't be the one to question that. Yes there is room for all
those engineers, whose contribution is defined by an ability to read
the standards manuals or code books and applying them to the task in
hand.
However they are not the
However they are not the people who build nations, break new grounds or solve
problems in creative ways. - I don't know about the nation building part. Most
engineers that I know would cringe at being given that responsibilty. The other
two - yes, engineers, architects and planners can
At 8:10 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
However they are not the people who build nations,
*** American nation building has been singularly influenced by
creative engineering. As was
Germany, as was the Soviet Union and as is Japan, as is China. But
look at India's progress with
I guess you have not met too many of the graduate engineers from India
recently. Many of them ( not too many) are very capable of solving engineering
problems using the modern tools that are available these days. it is especially
true in chemical engineering and control systems engineering
Distortion already. Look below.
Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 8:10 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
However they are not the people who build nations,
DD: I did not say that. You picked up something from what you wrote and made
it look like I said it.
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