Re: Entry order

2005-02-05 Thread Henry Story
Having started agreeing with the initial post, and having read more of the thread I am now divided about what the best position is. In some sense the order is of the entries should not matter. All the important data to order the entries is in the entries themselves given by the modified date,

Re: Entry order

2005-02-05 Thread Tim Bray
On Feb 5, 2005, at 5:36 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:21:50 -0500, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ordering of the element children of atom:feed element MUST NOT be considered significant. +1. +1 - I don't care whether we say MUST NOT, or the other wording floating around about

Re: Entry order

2005-02-05 Thread Dan Brickley
* Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-02-05 08:40-0800] On Feb 5, 2005, at 5:36 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:21:50 -0500, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ordering of the element children of atom:feed element MUST NOT be considered significant. +1. +1 - I don't

Re: Entry order

2005-02-05 Thread Bill de hÓra
Graham wrote: On 5 Feb 2005, at 4:40 pm, Tim Bray wrote: I totally can't think of a reasonable use-case in which preserving the feed order matters. - The Macintouch feed is ordered in the same way as the home page, and makes no sense viewed chronologically - The BBC News feeds have the most

RE: Entry order

2005-02-05 Thread Bob Wyman
Danny Ayers wrote: The killer problem of using doc order is that the feed data *will* be aggregated and republished. Precisely! As the blogosphere grows and as the number of feeds grow, I feel it is inevitable that we are simply going to have to give up the current feed-oriented focus

RE: Entry order

2005-02-05 Thread Bob Wyman
Graham wrote: You're shockingly small-minded sometimes Tim. Do we really need to have this stuff in this forum? The Macintouch and BBC News feeds that you provide as examples simply demonstrate that there is a need for some mechanism to specify order relationships between

RE: Entry order

2005-02-04 Thread Walter Underwood
--On February 3, 2005 11:21:50 PM -0500 Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Powell wrote: It looks like this might have got lost accidently when the atom:head element was introduced. Previously Atom 0.3 said [1]: Ordering of the element children of atom:feed element MUST NOT be

Re: Entry order

2005-02-04 Thread Julian Reschke
Tim Bray wrote: On Feb 4, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: Is this a joke? This is like saying that the order of the entries in my mailbox is not significant. Note that ordering a mailbox by date is not the same thing as its native order. Except for, Atom entries have a *compulsory*

Re: Entry order

2005-02-04 Thread Walter Underwood
--On February 4, 2005 11:44:31 AM -0800 Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 4, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: Is this a joke? This is like saying that the order of the entries in my mailbox is not significant. Note that ordering a mailbox by date is not the same thing as

Re: Entry order

2005-02-04 Thread Roger B.
If clients are told to ignore the order, and given only an updated timestamp, there is no way to show most recent headlines... At a single moment within a feedstream, sure... but the next time an entry is added to that feed, I'll have no problem letting the user know that this is new stuff.

Re: Entry order

2005-02-04 Thread Walter Underwood
--On February 4, 2005 4:28:53 PM -0600 Roger B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If clients are told to ignore the order, and given only an updated timestamp, there is no way to show most recent headlines... At a single moment within a feedstream, sure... but the next time an entry is added to that

RE: Entry order

2005-02-03 Thread Bob Wyman
David Powell wrote: It looks like this might have got lost accidently when the atom:head element was introduced. Previously Atom 0.3 said [1]: Ordering of the element children of atom:feed element MUST NOT be considered significant. +1. The order of entries in an Atom feed