Hello Sam, others,
At 22:33 05/05/09, Sam Hartman wrote:
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>> "Martin" == Martin Duerst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>Martin> At 17:29 05/05/07, Henri Sivonen wrote:
>>> On May 4, 2005, at 04:39, Martin Duerst wrote:
>>>> For free-flowing text, however, the line breaks in the sour
At 2:14 PM -0400 5/10/05, Sam Hartman wrote:
Except that we try to build deployable protocols. If there aren't
content creation tools that can do the right thing then it becomes a
deployment issue for atompub.
True. Fortunately, there have been plenty of text editing tools that
work with the "no
> A perfectly reasonable response would be that you've thought about and
> understood the problem and there are sufficient tools available that
> can work with your proposed pipe that you don't need to care about the
> issue.
Paul described text that's in the document to describe what MAY be done
> "Scott" == Scott Hollenbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >I'm not asking for a lot of text; probably something about as
>> long as >this message.
>>
>> I believe that it can be a lot shorter: given the rationale
>> above, it's not a problem for Atompub or any other XM
At 8:16 AM -0700 5/10/05, Walter Underwood wrote:
If publishers and subscribers have obstacles to using Atom, that sounds
like a problem to me.
It is a problem, of course.
"Everyone has this problem" is not a good reason to ignore it.
No one is ignoring it. This thread started because the format dr
On May 10, 2005, at 18:16, Walter Underwood wrote:
"Everyone has this problem" is not a good reason to ignore it. Someone
has to be the first to solve it, might as well be us. It is not
acceptable
to build formats for the "English Wide Web". That doesn't exist any
more.
I believe the problem shou
> -Original Message-
> From: Walter Underwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:16 AM
> To: Scott Hollenbeck; 'Paul Hoffman'; iesg@ietf.org; 'Atom WG'
> Subject: RE: Last Call: 'The Atom Syndication Format' to
>
--On May 10, 2005 8:57:47 AM -0400 Scott Hollenbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I have to agree with Paul. I don't believe that the issue of white space in
> the syndicated content is really an Atompub issue. It might be an issue for
> the content creator. It might be an issue for the reader
On 8 May 2005, at 4:30 am, Walter Underwood wrote:
White space is not particularly meaningful in some of these languages,
so we cannot expect them to suddenly pay attention to that just so
they can use Atom. There will be plenty of content from other formats
with this linguistically meaningless whi
> >I'm not asking for a lot of text; probably something about as long as
> >this message.
>
> I believe that it can be a lot shorter: given the rationale above,
> it's not a problem for Atompub or any other XML-using protocol. For
> that matter, it's not really and XML problem at all: it affect
Henri Sivonen wrote:
On May 8, 2005, at 06:30, Walter Underwood wrote:
White space is not particularly meaningful in some of these languages,
so we cannot expect them to suddenly pay attention to that just so
they can use Atom.
Why not? We expect them not no insert other random characters there.
W
At 9:33 AM -0400 5/9/05, Sam Hartman wrote:
My personal opinion as someone who is very shortly going to have to
evaluate the atom specification is that you've identified an issue
(space and line breaking) for some languages that should be
considered. Your proposed solution seems highly undesirable
On 5/9/05, Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At least based on the discussion the IESG has been copied on, it
> doesn't sound like the working group has fully considered this issue.
> The responses have more of the character of those found from people
> trying to brush aside an issue than o
> "Martin" == Martin Duerst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Martin> At 17:29 05/05/07, Henri Sivonen wrote:
>> On May 4, 2005, at 04:39, Martin Duerst wrote:
>>> For free-flowing text, however, the line breaks in the source
>>> and those in the display are not (necessarily) the s
A. Pagaltzis wrote:
* Thomas Broyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-05-03 19:35]:
This means type="text" content is a single paragraph of text.
If you need paragraphs, lists or any other "structural
formatting", you have to use type="html" or type="xhtml" with
the appropriate content.
Or type="text/plai
On May 8, 2005, at 09:38, Martin Duerst wrote:
Why would you put line breaks in the CJK source, then? Isn't the
"problem" solved with the least heuristics by the producer not
putting breaks there?
People in China, Japan, and so on (Korean uses spaces, so it's not CJK)
tend to use similar tools t
At 17:29 05/05/07, Henri Sivonen wrote:
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>On May 4, 2005, at 04:39, Martin Duerst wrote:
>
>> For free-flowing text, however, the line breaks in the source and those in
>> the display are not (necessarily) the same, and so linebreaks have to be
>> changed to spaces for Western languages, but to no
On May 8, 2005, at 06:30, Walter Underwood wrote:
White space is not particularly meaningful in some of these languages,
so we cannot expect them to suddenly pay attention to that just so
they can use Atom.
Why not? We expect them not no insert other random characters there.
What do the same produ
--On May 7, 2005 11:29:07 AM +0300 Henri Sivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Why would you put line breaks in the CJK source, then? Isn't the "problem"
> solved with the least heuristics by the producer not putting breaks there?
It would be even better if they would just speak English. :-)
Wh
On May 4, 2005, at 04:39, Martin Duerst wrote:
For free-flowing text, however, the line breaks in the source and
those in
the display are not (necessarily) the same, and so linebreaks have to
be
changed to spaces for Western languages, but to nothing for
Chinese/Japanese
(and most possibly to a
At 04:32 05/05/04, Graham wrote:
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>On 28 Apr 2005, at 7:33 pm, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
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>> Ok, maybe it is just me, but what does it mean to "collapse white-
space"? Does this mean to replace FWS (in RFC 2822 sense) with a
>> single space?
>
>Since the statement is a MAY, I don't think any exact
At 02:27 05/05/04, Thomas Broyer wrote:
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>Martin Duerst wrote:
>> At 03:33 05/04/29, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>> > > If the value is "text", the content of the Text construct MUST NOT
>> > > contain child elements. Such text is intended to be presented to
>> > > humans in a readable fashio
* Thomas Broyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-05-03 19:35]:
> This means type="text" content is a single paragraph of text.
> If you need paragraphs, lists or any other "structural
> formatting", you have to use type="html" or type="xhtml" with
> the appropriate content.
Or type="text/plain", Iâd ass
On May 4, 2005, at 12:05, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Apr 29, 2005, at 12:17, Martin Duerst wrote:
Making this more precise is definitely desirable. But there is also
an i18n issue: This works fine for languages that use spaces between
words. It doesn't work for languages that
On Apr 29, 2005, at 12:17, Martin Duerst wrote:
Making this more precise is definitely desirable. But there is also
an i18n issue: This works fine for languages that use spaces between
words. It doesn't work for languages that don't have spaces between
words (Chinese, Japanese, Thai,...). If Text e
On 28 Apr 2005, at 7:33 pm, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
Ok, maybe it is just me, but what does it mean to "collapse white-
space"? Does this mean to replace FWS (in RFC 2822 sense) with a
single space?
Since the statement is a MAY, I don't think any exact meaning is
necessary. It's simply a hint to
Martin Duerst wrote:
At 03:33 05/04/29, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
> > If the value is "text", the content of the Text construct MUST NOT
> > contain child elements. Such text is intended to be presented to
> > humans in a readable fashion. Thus, Atom Processors MAY collapse
> > white-spa
On 4/29/05, Martin Duerst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 03:33 05/04/29, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
> >
> >Ok, maybe it is just me, but what does it mean to "collapse white-space"?
> Does this mean to replace FWS (in RFC 2822 sense) with a single space?
>
> Making this more precise is definitely d
At 03:33 05/04/29, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>>The file can be obtained via
>>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-atompub-format-08.txt
> >3.1.1.1 Text
> > If the value is "text", the content of the Text construct MUST NOT
> > contain child elements. Such text is intended to be presen
The IESG wrote:
The IESG has received a request from the Atom Publishing Format and Protocol
WG to consider the following document:
- 'The Atom Syndication Format '
as a Proposed Standard
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Plea
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