JohnSwenson;216719 Wrote:
Bring out the shotguns, here is a hopefully not too boring attempt at
going over jitter, interfaces, audio, USB and anything else I can think
of to throw in here. (BTW non of this is new or uniquely my own, its
based on reading a lot of stuff and my own experiments,
Phil Leigh;21 Wrote:
Mike - do you think this might vary with time of day? (seriously)
I've had this mojo thing many times. Some days my system sounds like
the best thing ever and some days it's just OK... I have never been
able to pin down the variables in this. Could be a mains quality
After much research and reading I think I am going to demo
http://www.russandrews.com/lookup/1/region/UK/currency/GBP/customer_id/PAA3010058407084IJILMYUPOHBHPDGV/product-Russ-Andrews-DAC-1-USB-4569.htm
I'll let you know how I get on...
also thought this was an interesting product as a
Not many suggestions for a cheap dac to rival the shek ...
So why not try the behringer src2496 approx £90 ...
you will need to do a few simple mods to squeeze the best from it
...swap the rectifier diodes for schottky's and bump up the smoothing
caps to 105 deg types ie the pannasonic fc's
Thanks for all of that information, John. It's extremely useful to have
everything condensed into a single post!
I just need to digest it all...
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF
Sean - thanks.
After more thought I realise the toslink+hammer test may be hard to
make repeatable. However, using a mini-vice to progressively
deform/crush the cable might work and be easier to control (eg by
counting turns). I have a couple of medium quality ($35) toslinks that
are unused and
Thanks John, very informative reply and definitely not boring.
It simply raises few other questions.
If the recovered jittery clock drives the DA conversion in the receiver
sure, jitter can and will lead to non-perfect waveform. I would naively
think that DAC's would do something better to
Thank you all guys.
It was the Lyngdorf power amp 2175 that was causing the problems. I
have changed the amp and no problems anymore.
Last thing that I would have thought, but who knows what that thing is
radiating and at what frequency (resonance or rather damping somewhere,
PWM output).
Pale Blue Ego;216120 Wrote:
Download one or more of these. They are 24/96 FLAC files:
http://01688cb.netsolhost.com/samplerdownload/
I tried these on my SB3 more out of curiosity than anything else. They
play fine, but I noticed my AV Receiver was receiving PCM 44.1Khz from
the SB3. My AV
tot;216769 Wrote:
If the recovered jittery clock drives the DA conversion in the receiver
sure, jitter can and will lead to non-perfect waveform. I would naively
think that DAC's would do something better to be immune to bit-by-bit
jitter?
Well, it's not quite as easy as that. The most
I went to a local Instrument and Pro Audio store (to see if they had a
used DAC, Lavry, Benchmark - no - ) and I was blown away by the design
and build quality of the monitor speakers for mixing and studio work. I
was pretty shocked, really, by what a thousand dollars can get you. I
saw the subs
brjoon1021 wrote:
Anyway, have any of you tried the powered studio monitors (of any
brand) at home? I am suspicious that they kick the hell out of home
stereo speakers, especially for the money. And they are Powered!
Yes, I have some Mackie 824 monitors. They sound wonderful.
They are not
In one of my systems I use Proac Studio 100's. They aren't offically
pro or studio gear but a few pro's like Rick Rubin, and a fellow named
Neil Young use them as monitors in their studios. Also interesting to
note if you look at this months Absolute Sound there's a review with
Bob Ludwig ( maybe
ATC's are great...but they are not cheap...
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some
very expensive cables ;o)
brjoon1021;216787 Wrote:
Anyway, have any of you tried the powered studio monitors (of any brand)
at home? I am suspicious that they kick the hell out of home stereo
speakers, especially for the money. And they are Powered!
I've been using ATC SCM100A active monitors in my main system for
stormy;216774 Wrote:
I tried these on my SB3 more out of curiosity than anything else. They
play fine, but I noticed my AV Receiver was receiving PCM 44.1Khz from
the SB3. My AV Receiver supports 96Khz so I am assuming that the SB3
only outputs at 44.1Khz or is there something else I have
I am using SB with Behringer B2031A's in one setup. Since it is not for
serious listening I wanted a cheap solution (about #8364;350 for the
pair) and for the money I think they are great.
The sound quality is not the best possible, of course, but at least
frequency response is flat *-- they
cliveb;216805 Wrote:
I've been using ATC SCM100A active monitors in my main system for about
14 years now. They are very clean, with low distortion, well extended
bass, and can go incredibly loud if called upon to do so. Acquiring
them put an end to the constant round of upgrading I had been
I just read an interesting article on changing leisure habits on CNN and
thought I'd pass it along for public consumption:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/29/leisure.overview/index.html
In a nutshell, tech-gadgets like iPods, Home Theaters, (I guess you
could add SB to the mix too), mean more
Phil Leigh;216826 Wrote:
Amusingly, when pro audio (yuck - horrible term) gear is reviewed in
audio mags it is often criticised for mediocre imaging (or rather
constriction of height and depth...dunno why... bit odd really when you
consider what these things are actually being used for...)
96/24 is confusing! As the GBP:USD rate is so good, I d/l Symphonie
Fantastique as a FLAC from HighDefTapeTransfers.com (Meta tags were
non-existant BTW).
It played fine on my SB3 and TP, reporting 96k on both; I assume the
SB3 was silently dropping samples/bits (It also played fine on
pfarrell;216836 Wrote:
Yes, it is a terrible term. And lots of pro-audio customers are not
close to being professional.
The ADAM monitors are fabulous, but even more pricey.
http://www.adam-audio.com/
Whatever you do, do not get Yamaha NS10. Sure, they are in every
recording studio on
This has been very informational thread, thank you all.
I found a copy somewhere :-) of An Introduction to Digital Audio by
John Watkinson. Very interesting and actually understandable, but
hardly an introduction.
However, back to where this started. As Watkinson says in the book: if
the
tot;216824 Wrote:
I am using SB with Behringer B2031A's in one setup. Since it is not for
serious listening I wanted a cheap solution (about #8364;350 for the
pair) and for the money I think they are great.
The sound quality is not the best possible, of course, but at least
frequency
amcluesent;216839 Wrote:
96/24 is confusing! As the GBP:USD rate is so good, I d/l Symphonie
Fantastique as a FLAC from HighDefTapeTransfers.com (Meta tags were
non-existant BTW).
It played fine on my SB3 and TP, reporting 96k on both; I assume the
SB3 was silently dropping samples/bits
Videodrome;216835 Wrote:
I just read an interesting article on changing leisure habits on CNN and
thought I'd pass it along for public consumption:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/29/leisure.overview/index.html
In a nutshell, tech-gadgets like iPods, Home Theaters, (I guess you
could add
tot;216769 Wrote:
Thanks John, very informative reply and definitely not boring.
It simply raises few other questions.
If the recovered jittery clock drives the DA conversion in the receiver
sure, jitter can and will lead to non-perfect waveform. I would naively
think that DAC's
Phil Leigh;216748 Wrote:
Sean - thanks.
After more thought I realise the toslink+hammer test may be hard to
make repeatable. However, using a mini-vice to progressively
deform/crush the cable might work and be easier to control (eg by
counting turns). I have a couple of medium quality ($35)
Phil Leigh;216650 Wrote:
I am going to try the toslink + hammer trick when I get a chance.
Make sure it's glass toslink;-)
--
Videodrome
Two-channel System:
SB3, into Musiland MD-10 DAC;
Outlaw 970 Pre/Pro;
McCormack DNA-125 amplifier;
Quad 11L speakers;
Sota Sapphire ttbl. w/ Grado Ref.
tot;216843 Wrote:
This has been very informational thread, thank you all.
I found a copy somewhere :-) of An Introduction to Digital Audio by
John Watkinson. Very interesting and actually understandable, but
hardly an introduction.
However, back to where this started. As Watkinson
this thread was too big an invitation.
Interesting. So I guess some form of ring buffer to decouple the input
word stream from the DAC wouldn't work as even a fractional difference
in mean clock frequency between transport and DAC would lead to near
instant buffer over/under runs.
So if a PLL
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't part of the attraction to 96K
upsampling to reduce the brick wall effect of filtering at or near 44.1
kHz? And thus by doing so, better / smoother filtering occurs? With
less aliasing, quantization noise, etc.?
Now, unlike the most of you, I'm NOT a computer
Videodrome;216853 Wrote:
Nonetheless, we do tend to enjoy movies at home more than the theater.
Except for image size, everything's better at home -- especially sound.
And taking into consideration the image clarity I get with my plasma
display and my viewing distance from it, losing out on
Videodrome;216862 Wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't part of the attraction to 96K
upsampling to reduce the brick wall effect of filtering at or near 44.1
kHz? And thus by doing so, better / smoother filtering occurs? With
less aliasing, quantization noise, etc.?
Now, unlike the
Phil Leigh;216846 Wrote:
Well I guess it depends. When we get a new DVD (especially a big
blockbuster) we often invite friends over for food + drinks and the
movie...which none of us will have had time to see at the movies.
You're lucky. After food + drinks, I can't get my wife to stay
Mark Lanctot;216863 Wrote:
Absolutely right, and if anyone talks during the movie or their
cellphone goes off, you can pause it and tell them to get the f**k
out!
Seriously, I can't go to movie theatres anymore. Way too many people
who think their own conversations are more important
Phil Leigh;216865 Wrote:
Totally agree - which is why I really want an SB-like solution for my
600 DVD's...
Not if the MPAA has their way you don't. However I do remember hearing
about a super-expensive HDD-based DVD jukebox system. Mid 5-figures
price! Was it called Kaleidescope?
--
But was there a really big difference between the SB and tp playback?
I never A-Bed them, I was just wondering if the SB3 would work at all.
IIRC Sean has posted that 96k on the SB3 was a hack he regretted doing
at all.
SB3 and TP analogue outs sound way different IMHO, like going from 320k
MP3
Phil Leigh;216842 Wrote:
...and then you go and put them in a room...
Yeah, sure.
I played a sweep on them to see if the bass attenuation was about right
since they are wall mounted and the sweep sounded really interesting...
concrete walls.
Teemu
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tot
tot;216869 Wrote:
Yeah, sure.
I played a sweep on them to see if the bass attenuation was about right
since they are wall mounted and the sweep sounded really interesting...
concrete walls.
Teemu
Looks like you might want to investigate Mr Inguz and his RC plugin...
--
Phil Leigh
jdbaker;216875 Wrote:
Ok, everything is working fine, using the KVM switch to access the
Headless Music Server, the M.S. is running Slimserver very nicely. I
have one problem, turns out the M.S. computer (HP Celeron 631MHZ w/320
Ram) is running XP like frozen molasseses. If I try to run
Hell is other people.
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amcluesent
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Mark Lanctot;216866 Wrote:
Not if the MPAA has their way you don't. However I do remember hearing
about a super-expensive HDD-based DVD jukebox system. Mid 5-figures
price! Was it called Kaleidescope?
I know...it's a lovely system but out of my price league at the moment.
--
Phil Leigh
Ok, everything is working fine, using the KVM switch to access the
Headless Music Server, the M.S. is running Slimserver very nicely. I
have one problem, turns out the M.S. computer (HP Celeron 631MHZ w/320
Ram) is running XP like frozen molasseses. If I try to run iTunes and
rip or burn a CD
Phil Leigh;216865 Wrote:
Totally agree - which is why I really want an SB-like solution for my
600 DVD's...
This should be a pretty easy to deal with using either a network
enabled DVD player or a purpose built PVR type PC. If you Google the
topic I'm sure you will find many howto's on this
Isn't that what this does?
http://www.apple.com/appletv/
Incidentally, speaking of screens, try a digital projector... they're
cheaper than plasmas, make a much larger image if you want one, and (in
my opinion) look better. They're also much smaller when not in use.
--
opaqueice
AppleTV is kinda limited. I read a recent review of a Netgear media
streamer that sounded impressive - handled lots of movie filetypes, had
enough bandwidth for HDTV over the LAN, and could connect to YouTube.
Does music and photos, too.
--
Pale Blue Ego
I have been using Dynaudio BM 6A Mk II's for some time and they are a
steal at the $1,500 street price. I suspect if they were repackaged
for the audiophile market, they would cost at least $3,000!
--
WilCox
SB3 - PS Audio Digital Link III - Dynaudio BM 6A Mk II
TiredLegs;215673 Wrote:
It's actually the other way around, i.e., the manual should reflect the
way the product operates. So if the manual is wrong, it needs
correction.
Sorry - no. Sure, the manual SHOULD reflect the way the product works,
but it did not match the way the product worked
Videodrome;216862 Wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't part of the attraction to 96K
upsampling to reduce the brick wall effect of filtering at or near 44.1
kHz?
The attraction of 96K Sampling (not up sampling) over 44.1K sampling,
is that it moves the brick wall filter from 22.05 kHz
Just received the July/August edition of the HiFi Critic, and saw a
familiar face on the cover! Once I get a chance to read the article,
I'll let you know what they think...
Cheers, Dave
--
DCtoDaylight
DCtoDaylight's
Hi, I'm running sb3 directly into my amp right now but thinking of
adding a sub into the system to get more bass. What's the best way to
do this without getting too complicated? Any suggestions?
--
jmsun
jmsun's Profile:
The simplest way would be to get a sub with stereo RCA pass-through.
If the sub only has stereo RCAs for input, you could split the SB
output with a pair of RCA Y-adaptors.
If the sub has only a mono RCA input, then you probably should get a
preamp to generate the proper 2.1 output.
If you
Having used the listening stations in Border's and other music stores,
it just occurred to me: wouldn't it be great to have bar code scanner
system for instant access to your music collection?
Once you have ripped your entire collection to your music server, you
would assign each album or
For simplicity it's hard to beat a sub with speaker-level inputs. Some
of the better music sub makers, such as REL, even recommend the high
level inputs from the power amp for better integration with the main
speakers.
--
JJZolx
Jim
crooner;216952 Wrote:
Having used the listening stations in Border's and other music stores,
it just occurred to me: wouldn't it be great to have bar code scanner
system for instant access to your music collection?
I think for most people, grabbing the CD packaging, or any printed
material
Yeah, but the accessory would complement the remote and/or
laptop/tablet. I agree it can be pointless from the convenience point
of view.
The approach would particularly be useful for those with vast
collections and that still have the CDs organized in shelves.
I have actually stored away most
Also, given that CDs are rapidly becoming obsolete, I think it won't be
long before we start seeing them as strictly collector's items, just
like those classic 1950s Jazz LPs.
In this case, you can recreate the whole CD (or LP) experience by
simply taking the unit from the shelf and scanning it.
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