Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Automatic Volume Adjustment?

2011-05-06 Thread Phil Leigh
mashley;629578 Wrote: When listening to Pandora on my Transporter via mysqueezebox.com If I have a look at the the song details, just above the bitrate and file format there is a display named volume adjustment usually it's saying something like -4.4db sometimes it'll say -1.2db it changes

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread Phil Leigh
TerryS;629505 Wrote: The point is the equipment should be able to reproduce the signal at 54 dB below full scale(or 96 dB below full scale if you claim that is the dynamic range spec). It does not even mean the full scale signal has to be present at the same time. That is what dynamic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread adamdea
TerryS;629503 Wrote: Without dithering, the situation is easy to understand. For every bit below full scale, the distortion doubles. And each bit is worth 6dB of dynamic range. So if you plot the distortion (due to quantization error) versus the number of bits below full scale, it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;629632 Wrote: As to the second point do read the Pohlmann book as it explains it very well. The point is the quantisation error is noise if uncorrelated to signal or distortion if correlated (this is essentially a definitional proposition; but it coincides with a pyschoacoustical

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread adamdea
and surely it's not expressed as a percentage of the number of bits which are dodgy (1 bit =.5, 2 bits equal .25), but as a percentage of the value expressed by those bits (2 bits =1/6). -- adamdea adamdea's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;629648 Wrote: and surely it's not expressed as a ratio of the number of bits which are dodgy to total bits (1 bit =.5, 2 bits equal .25), but as a ratio of the quantisation error to the value expressed by the bits (2 bits =1/6 max). Acutally the average (ie RMS) error is less

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread Soulkeeper
earwaxer9;629570 Wrote: I am fully convinced that the reason we like analog is due to certain characteristics of analog reproduction. earwaxer9;629570 Wrote: I think the crux of the digital issues reside in jitter and other isssues specific to digital. The better we get with these issues,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Duet plus Beresford DAC or Touch, better sound?

2011-05-06 Thread Gazjam
Interesting approach Mervin! Can you go into some specifics though please? Which caps on the Gator, and how did you do it? If its a soldering job...fuh'geddabaht it! :) Dont fancy doing any soldering at the moment (though I will be replacing the Murata 12V regulator with a Dexa UWB discreet to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;629655 Wrote: yes that's what I meant by the error/noise being in the lowest bit The lowest bit is not always wrong! ...and even when it is wrong, it is sometimes only very slightly wrong. -- adamdea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;629673 Wrote: ...and even when it is wrong, it is sometimes only very slightly wrong. yes you could say it's only a bit wrong... :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread Phil Leigh
Soulkeeper;629662 Wrote: This seems self contradicting to me. Getting better with issues specific to digital cannot possibly have an effect on certain characteristics of analog reproduction, can it? BTW: I would very much like to get my hands on a SBS plugin can do on-the-fly vinylyzing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;629679 Wrote: yes you could say it's only a bit wrong... :-) That is definitely he best joke about low level DAC linearity I have ever heard. -- adamdea adamdea's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Duet plus Beresford DAC or Touch, better sound?

2011-05-06 Thread mervin_b
Gazjam;629672 Wrote: Interesting approach Mervin! Can you go into some specifics though please? Which caps on the Gator, and how did you do it? Looking at the Gator board with the bottom edge closest to the front of the case, it's the first four grey non-polar caps on the left side. I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For the objectivist/empiricists in the crowd

2011-05-06 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;629706 Wrote: That is definitely he best joke about low level DAC linearity I have ever heard. I'm here all week... :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dac for SBT

2011-05-06 Thread shingo43
darrenyeats;629551 Wrote: I use SBT with Benchmark DAC1 HDR (which is identical sonically to a DAC1 PRE). For all practical purposes, I don't think you'll find a more accurate (transparent) DAC or pre. I'm of the opinion that, if desired, flavour should be added later in the chain and that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dac for SBT

2011-05-06 Thread JJZolx
darrenyeats;629551 Wrote: But if you're of the opinion that the DAC has to sound good rather than accurate (transparent) you are on your own. Then I'll bet there are an awful lot of people who are on their own. Which would mean that they're not really on their own. -- JJZolx

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dac for SBT

2011-05-06 Thread bhaagensen
If you want accurate, I don't think you can get much more of it than the Transporter, SE or 2.hand standard, balanced out and directly into a suitable power-amp, gets you. There are a number of good reasons for this. -- bhaagensen

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dac for SBT

2011-05-06 Thread JezA
A Benchmark DAC1 HDR gives a huge improvement to the Touch (ime) (imo) (ymmv). -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Salvation !

2011-05-06 Thread pski
At last an ending to dithering/jittering/jitterbugging: JBL announces the JBL On Air, a perfect audio device in every way. If you don't believe me, read their Holy Technical Specifications here: http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_browse/productspecs.asp?product=JBLONAIRWBLKAM Only US$350 (and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Automatic Volume Adjustment?

2011-05-06 Thread mashley
Thanks guys. I know that Pandora is compressed to hell anyway, I just wanted to field some opinions on the matter, will check the links out later. Anyone Interested in putting forward some signatures to petition Pandora to finally Re-Code to a higher bitrate? Is there an alternative to Pandora?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Automatic Volume Adjustment?

2011-05-06 Thread aubuti
mashley;629808 Wrote: Anyone Interested in putting forward some signatures to petition Pandora to finally Re-Code to a higher bitrate? In case you weren't aware, they already have their Pandora One service, which streams 192kbps. It's a subscription service for $36/year. The drawback is that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Automatic Volume Adjustment?

2011-05-06 Thread Curt962
I like Rhapsody, and use it a lot. $10/month unlimited. They're streaming at 192kbps.It is what it is, but I like it to listen to new albums before buying, or to re-discover old music that I'd forgotten.Great service. -- Curt962 Transporter...TouchBoom..