opaqueice;257317 Wrote:
In the eye of the beholder, of course. Personally I've always loved the
combination of archaic and ultra-modern, and not just in audio gear.
You must be a huge fan of Joan Rivers then :)
Sorry, just could not resist.
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The sound stage will open up, bass
Rodney_Gold;257439 Wrote:
Sean , despite claims that digital attenuation is inaudible , the mod
that I would like to see on your unit and that would perhaps satisfy a
lot of Audiophiles is the addition of a high quality analog volume
control.
Just to be clear, I'm not making any such
HalleysComet;256685 Wrote:
Butchery! Defilement! Destroying what fine engineers have spent years
refining? We'll see. I'll post after I've had some time with it and
let you folks know what I think.
I look forward to your review
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opaqueice;257311 Wrote:
It looks absolutely beautiful.
That's a matter of opinion!
It looks like a TP with three rather garish glowing bottles sticking
out of the top to me (I love valves in guitar amps...but I don't want
to stare at them.)
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You want to see the signal path
selfdivider;257111 Wrote:
If the Modwright would make the Transporter sound like the Transporter
w/ tube preamp, there essentially isn't a reason for me to consider
this mod?
It looks absolutely beautiful.
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Alex is claiming his modded unit walks all over the stock unit , a
claim that has to be proved. He is also saying that the stock unit
needs this and that. By implication he is saying that the stock unit
is inadequate and further by implication he is saying the designer of
the stock unit did not
seanadams;255796 Wrote:
I guess it'll make it sound like a Transporter with a tube preamp after
it. Bring the noise floor up by 50db or so and add a bunch of (mostly
the good, even) harmonic distortion.
There will absolutely be a real and audible difference in sound.
However, this is
Dan Wright of ModWright is one of the good guys in the whole
Audiophool business. I've talked to Dan, and find him both
knowledgeable, and no-nonsense. I've got one of his (tube) preamps, as
well as one of his earlier modded Perpetual Technologies DAC's (no
tubes). Both represent clear
First I want to make it clear I am not a tube fan. To me it is fragile,
expensive, old tech, whose day is long past. IMHO, equally good results
can be achieved with solid state at a cheaper price.
Pat Farrell;255799 Wrote:
seanadams wrote:[color=blue]
But tube gear does not reproduce what
seanadams;255739 Wrote:
Also, no amount of skill could convert Transporter's digital audio path
to 32-bit, unless you redesigned nearly the entire product from scratch.
I.e., it is utterly impossible to do it by soldering on some components,
regardless of skill level. I could not do it by
jhm731 wrote:
Assuming the Transporter is perfect, and can't be improved upon is just
as crazy as any audiophile joke.
Sean didn't say the Transporter is perfect and can't be improved upon.
He said it couldn't be done by merely adding components - it would take
a complete re-design of the
rajacat wrote:
If tubes are just a way of changing the tone and adding distortion ,
would rolling capacitors just be performing the same function?
Perhaps with a talented designer. But the usual RLC filter can't be as
complex as a nice tube and big honking transformer.
Tube amps have been
FWIW, I heard the Modwright TP at R. Mtn. Audiofest and thought it was
awesome. Very different and in my opinion superior to the standard
TP.But, then again, I like a warm tube sound.
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jhm731;255829 Wrote:
I don't accept anyone's claims at face value, including yours.
That's great!... so what are you going to do about it? You could test
the claims yourself. You could learn a bit about the theory. You don't
have to be in the dark wondering whom to believe.
Assuming the
seanadams;255997 Wrote:
But hey, maybe I don't know my head from a hole in the wall if you
think that's the case, go ahead and buy one of these modded TPs, and we
can have a listen, see what's in it, and test their claims.
It's a good response, Sean, but I would have thought that you
adamslim;256041 Wrote:
It's a good response, Sean, but I would have thought that you would be
interested in buying one and seeing if there is something in it. That
is the ultimate test.
Maybe. Or maybe based on what I know of the Transporter and of
electrical engineering, I can be quite
You don't think I have better things to do? the only reason I post in
threads like this is because I don't want my customers to be misled.
But after a certain point, if someone insists on believing despite all
evidence to the contrary, I give up!
Do you think that you gaining customer
seanadams;255997 Wrote:
But hey, maybe I don't know my head from a hole in the wall if you
think that's the case, go ahead and buy one of these modded TPs, and we
can have a listen, see what's in it, and test their claims.
Maybe you don't
I have no need for a stock or modded TP.
adamslim;256062 Wrote:
Your analogy is a bit disingenuous - these mods are available, so you
can test them, unlike your strings.
I don't follow that statement at all. It was an analogy. I am
_supposing_ that these bits of strings were sold by me, and then modded
and re-sold by someone else.
Raj,
I believe Sean was primarily responding to the other TP mod which uses
32 bit dacs when he disputed the claims their mods made.
I think if you carefully reread his posts you will see that.
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rajacat;256057 Wrote:
Do you think that you gaining customer confidence by demonstrating that
you don't have an open mind?
I do have an open mind. I am quite open to evidence or explanation of
these claims. None has been presented.
Have you listened to the ModWright Transporter? I doubt,
seanadams;256048 Wrote:
Maybe. Or maybe based on what I know of the Transporter and of
electrical engineering, I can be quite confident in my position with
just the information at hand.
Here's an analogy:snip
Your analogy is a bit disingenuous - these mods are available, so you
can test
adamslim;256062 Wrote:
You may have better things to do, but Slim Devices, a company producing
an audiophile product, should have someone who investigates actual
competing and complementary products.
And if someone makes a lacquered wood knob for $2000 to replace the
aluminum one that we
jdbaker;256073 Wrote:
Sean,
I dig your feistiness man.
Ya' know...if Ivor Tiefunbrun was watching this I bet he'd be yelling
Go Sean, Go Sean
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann
Sean,
I dig your feistiness man.
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seanadams;256048 Wrote:
Maybe. Or maybe based on what I know of the Transporter and of
electrical engineering, I can be quite confident in my position with
just the information at hand.
Here's an analogy: Suppose I sell bits of string which are 3 in
length. Perfect for tying up very small
radish;256094 Wrote:
Of course the fact is that a modded TP is still a TP. Sean could sit
back and watch people buy modded players quite happily knowing that $2k
of the purchase price went straight to Logitech - once the unit has left
the premises and the money's in the bank who cares?
radish;256094 Wrote:
...I don't see why he has to prove anything
For that matter, those who would like Sean to do the footwork in order
to prove out differences between the stock and mod TP, should take aim
at the modders.
IMO the onus is on the modders, not Sean
.
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Happy Leap
Of course the fact is that a modded TP is still a TP. Sean could sit
back and watch people buy modded players quite happily knowing that $2k
of the purchase price went straight to Logitech - once the unit has left
the premises and the money's in the bank who cares?
He is instead giving his
Pat Farrell;255883 Wrote:
rajacat wrote:[color=blue]
Sure, its 'possible' to make tubes sounds like transistors, and vice
versa, but why bother? If you like tubes, get them. If you like solid
state, get them.
To understand why valves sound better in some ways than solid state,
and
Imho, unless you have actually heard a modified player, you really can't
comment on what they should sound like.
For those that can, or care to, you can actually hear a MWI modified
Transporter at CES this week. Dan Wright is set up in the following
room at the Venetian and you can hear for
I appreciate Sean's comments as he is the designer, and engineer and
knows a heck of a lot more than I do! Thanks for the voice of truth.
If Sean can look at the mod and know if it's going to be an improvement
or not from theory and design and reality, then thanks for letting us
know!
This
seanadams;255739 Wrote:
Certain kinds of modifications that involve reducing noise are not
physically possible without a board respin.
Maybe, in effect, that's what APLHiFi are doing. Given that they're
stacking DAC chips and including a new single ended analogue output
stage (stated as
bhobba;256135 Wrote:
not measuring distortion in a lab or dismissing ideas that may on the
surface look like hooey.
You seem confused about the difference between objective vs subjective
claims. It is too bad that the APL mods and the Modwright mods have
been conflated in this thread, as the
mr_bill;256120 Wrote:
I appreciate Sean's comments as he is the designer, and engineer and
knows a heck of a lot more than I do! Thanks for the voice of truth.
I have not been posting here long, but I like Sean's posts as well.
Their 'no nonsense' approach is refreshing. They are similar
kenreau;256137 Wrote:
Sean - Are you attending CES this week?
Not this year went last year and it was a bit too much of a zoo.
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seanadams;256147 Wrote:
You seem confused about the difference between objective vs subjective
claims. It is too bad that the APL mods and the Modwright mods have
been conflated in this thread, as the nature of each and the claims
being made are _completely_ different. Please do not
GaryG;256148 Wrote:
Maybe, in effect, that's what APLHiFi are doing. Given that they're
stacking DAC chips and including a new single ended analogue output
stage (stated as disabling the XLR output), to me that reads like a new
DAC board being fed from the digital section of the original
Great thread! I definitely enjoyed reading it.
Keep up the great work Sean!
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CPC;256228 Wrote:
See Alex's forum for more info.
No mention of an additional board for the analogue section, given that
Alex isn't keen on capacitor coupling in the analogue output I'm
looking forward to hearing what other changes have been made.
Regards
Gary
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jhm731;254729 Wrote:
As soon as you have the skills to perform the upgrades that Alex
does to the Transporter, please let us know.
Oh, you're another believer, aren't you?
I've seen a good book of audiophile spells and other magic triks that
will most certainly improve sound of your
325xi;255705 Wrote:
Oh, you're another believer, aren't you?
I've seen a good book of audiophile spells and other magic triks that
will most certainly improve sound of your system... in your head.
Yes, I believe that all audio equipment can be improved if you know
what you're doing.
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jhm731;255731 Wrote:
Yes, I believe that all audio equipment can be improved if you know what
you're doing.
Certain kinds of modifications that involve reducing noise are not
physically possible without a board respin. Also, no amount of skill
could convert Transporter's digital audio path to
seanadams;255739 Wrote:
knob
heh heh...he said knob.
Snort.
Does that change anybody's subjective opinion of Sean?
Of course not, unless you rewire his noun.
.
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haunyack;255749 Wrote:
heh heh...he said knob.
Snort.
Does that change anybody's opinion of Sean?
Of course not, unless you rewire his noun.
.
I also said cockamamie. A highly underrated word IMHO.
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seanadams
seanadams;255752 Wrote:
I also said cockamamie. A highly underrated word IMHO.
...and my mother called me hunyak, although she was Norwegian.
Love the TP.
.
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The analog ouput redesign that Dan Wright does, certianly has me
intrigued.
I read an article on Stereophile the other day from ___ Johnson the
leader of Audio Research and his point was that tubes are inherently
more linear than their solid state ouput counterparts.
As Dan puts the tube output
mr_bill;255785 Wrote:
The analog ouput redesign that Dan Wright performs, certainly has me
intrigued.
I read an article on Stereophile the other day from ___ Johnson the
leader of Audio Research and his point was that tubes are inherently
more linear than their solid state ouput
seanadams wrote:
mr_bill;255785 Wrote:
Little do I know if the improvements are imaginary or real - I would
like to find out.
There will absolutely be a real and audible difference in sound.
However, this is clearly meant to be a fun and visually appealing
vintage mod for someone who
seanadams;255739 Wrote:
Certain kinds of modifications that involve reducing noise are not
physically possible without a board respin. Also, no amount of skill
could convert Transporter's digital audio path to 32-bit, unless you
redesigned nearly the entire product from scratch. I.e., it is
If tubes are just a way of changing the tone and adding distortion ,
would rolling capacitors just be performing the same function? Now on
one hand tube detractors say that tubes just introduce some pleasant
form of distortion but present a sound which is not as close to reality
as pure solid
I have their modded Denon 3910 player with external tube power supply.
It is an awesome player!
My BAT VK-3iX preamp has 3 connected inputs:
1. Transporter
2. ModWright Denon 3910 player
3. BK Reference 50 S2 Surround Processor
I have tried various sources. But these are the only three that
jhm731;254381 Wrote:
A better Transporter upgrade:
http://www.aplhifi.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=688
Only $1200 to disable the XLR outputs! What a fantastic deal!!
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opaqueice;254680 Wrote:
Only $1200 to disable the XLR outputs! What a fantastic deal!!
As soon as you have the skills to perform the upgrades that Alex
does to the Transporter, please let us know.
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jhm731;254729 Wrote:
As soon as you have the skills to perform the upgrades that Alex
does to the Transporter, please let us know.
Oooohhh, touchy! :-)
How does this modded transporter sound?
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jhm731;254729 Wrote:
As soon as you have the skills to perform the upgrades that Alex
does to the Transporter, please let us know.
I'd be happy to disable your XLR outputs for $1200. Hell, even for
$200!
I can make the jitter a bit worse too if you'd like... but that will
cost extra.
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opaqueice;254781 Wrote:
I'd be happy to disable your XLR outputs for $1200. Hell, even for
$200!
I can make the jitter a bit worse too if you'd like... but that will
cost extra.
You're right.
A know nothing like you messing around inside a Transporter could
totally screw it up.
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vett93;254612 Wrote:
I have their modded Denon 3910 player with external tube power supply.
It is an awesome player!
My BAT VK-3iX preamp has 3 connected inputs:
1. Transporter
2. ModWright Denon 3910 player
3. BK Reference 50 S2 Surround Processor
I have tried various sources. But
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/modwright3/transporter.html
Just discussing the electrical mods at the moment...
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