rydenfan;271268 Wrote:
> Wow, this is kind of dissapointing news. My TP from Dan is arriving
> tomorrow and I cannot believe I will not be able to fully enjoy it :(
> I guess I will have to do a frantic search to try and find an XLR pair
> as fast as possible. This sucks...
It depends on the sen
There is a writeup on all this in the Wiki.
For attenutators for use in direct power amp connection, see the
'Connect to Power Amp'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?ConnectToPowerAmp) wiki page. It
also covers calculating the attenuation you need.
I have a pair of GoldenJacks on my SB3 an
darrenyeats;273050 Wrote:
> I've started using the Rothwell RCA attenuators recently (a custom order
> which I've measured at 5.5db attenuation).
>
> Just to add a bit of balance (or be difficult) I'm going to disagree
> with some others' opinions and say they sound fine. Before anyone
> throws
I've started using the Rothwell RCA attenuators recently (a custom order
which I've measured at 5.5db attenuation).
Just to add a bit of balance (or be difficult) I'm going to disagree
with some others' opinions and say they sound fine. Before anyone
throws my words back at me, no I haven't done
Robin Bowes;271511 Wrote:
> cliveb wrote:
> > The TP has 24 bit DACs, but let's be realistic and assume they are
> > only linear for 22 bits.
>
> Why? What's wrong with the other two?
>
> R.
Thermal noise in circuitry means that it's pretty much impossible to
build a genuinely linear 24 bit DAC
cliveb wrote:
> The TP has 24 bit DACs, but let's be realistic and assume they are
> only linear for 22 bits.
Why? What's wrong with the other two?
R.
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HalleysComet;271444 Wrote:
> If you have to throttle it way back, then you're potentially throwing
> away a lot of bits
Depends on your definition of "a lot of bits". The TP has 24 bit DACs,
but let's be realistic and assume they are only linear for 22 bits. If
your source material is from 16 bit
rydenfan;271284 Wrote:
> Do you have any recommendations of where to get a nice XLR set? Seems
> like Endler is not even accepting orders right now.
An alternative source if you are DIY is K&K Audio. See this page on
the bottom of the page:
http://www.kandkaudio.com/linestage.html
Very nice qu
rydenfan;271268 Wrote:
> Wow, this is kind of dissapointing news. My TP from Dan is arriving
> tomorrow and I cannot believe I will not be able to fully enjoy it :(
> I guess I will have to do a frantic search to try and find an XLR pair
> as fast as possible. This sucks...
It's also a function
Yup, the built in attenuators pnly work w/unbalanced outputs.
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rydenfan wrote:
> According to the Transporter owner's manual it has a built-in attenuator
> for the balanced outputs. Has anybody tried this? This would be perfect
> for me.
It has a built-in attenuator for the *un*-balanced outputs.
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According to the Transporter owner's manual it has a built-in attenuator
for the balanced outputs. Has anybody tried this? This would be perfect
for me.
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I ordered Endlers. I don't expect to receive them for another month.
There are other options mentioned in this and a couple of other posts.
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Do you have any recommendations of where to get a nice XLR set? Seems
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I have had no problem enjoying the TP even w/o attenuators. The volume
(at least w/my amps) is not ear splitting loud on even the loudest
recordings. Just a little loud for conversation or my wife's liking and
even then only on certain recordings.
Definitely get the attenuators, but don't sweat t
Shredder;271266 Wrote:
> Ryden. I have a Modwright TP also. I run it directly into my power amps
> w/no pre. Sound quality is teriffic that way. However, w/no attenuators
> (yet), on many discs the volume at even its lowest level is too loud for
> casual listening. Thus, I have been shying away f
Ryden. I have a Modwright TP also. I run it directly into my power amps
w/no pre. Sound quality is teriffic that way. However, w/no attenuators
(yet), on many discs the volume at even its lowest level is too loud for
casual listening. Thus, I have been shying away from cds recorded at a
high volum
My Modwright Transporter is due to arrive tomorrow. Are you guys saying
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mr_bill;270781 Wrote:
> Hi x,
> Did you receive your Endler attenuators yet?
> Thanks,
> Bill
Greetings Bill,
They are supposed to arrive tomorrow. I also have a Luminous Audio
Axiom Mono XLR preamp on loan. I'll chime in with impressions on the
Axiom Mono XLR vs. Endlers tomorrow. If I forget,
mr_bill;270781 Wrote:
> Hi x,
> Did you receive your Endler attenuators yet?
> Thanks,
> Bill
I went to Endler's sight and he is backed up and not taking orders for
awhile.
I.m glad I got mine when I did.
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xand1x;263020 Wrote:
> I'm in the exact same scenario you are in mr_bill. I have Endler's on
> order and hopefully they'll arrive soon. As soon as I get them i'll let
> you know if there is an audible difference between using the digital
> volume control in the upper vs lower registers. I'm sure
Here's another company that makes an attenuator that is cheaper than the
Endler:
http://www.wright-sound.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=25
I haven't compared it to other attenuators so I don't know about its
relative performance but it works well for me when comparing my system
with and with
tomjtx;263633 Wrote:
> Unfortunately the Endlers do take time. I think it was about 6 weeks to
> get mine.
> But it is worth the wait.
Crikey, you could learn to solder properly and do it yourself in less
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Unfortunately the Endlers do take time. I think it was about 6 weeks to
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But it is worth the wait.
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Hm. I could really use mine soon. Things are a bit loud
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Shredder;263455 Wrote:
> I just ordered them Saturday. A month?
Yeah I placed my order on December 31st. Not quite a month yet but
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Shredder;263335 Wrote:
> Based on the apparent consensu recommendation, I also went w/the
> Endlers. In addition to sound quality, I like the step function.
>
> Thanks for the help.
Hey did you receive them as yet? If not I think Scott's a bit backed
up. I've been waiting for around a month for
Based on the apparent consensu recommendation, I also went w/the
Endlers. In addition to sound quality, I like the step function.
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NewBuyer;263222 Wrote:
> The Endlers sound very significantly better than the Rothwells. Tried
> them both, and the difference is huge.
That's nice to know, I went with the Endler's w/o a comparison.
Thanks for doing the work for me :-)
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bigfool1956;263032 Wrote:
> Roy Gregory reviewed the unbalanced Rothwell attentuators in
> HiFi+...[/url]
The Endlers sound very significantly better than the Rothwells. Tried
them both, and the difference is huge.
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mr_bill;262997 Wrote:
>
> I am using Transporter direct to amp with digital volume control - but
> it gets pretty loud at -20 to -25db on the volume scale. That's what
> is prompting my concern.
> Am I losing too much resolution with my scenario?
>
Even if you're not losing resolution or no
Roy Gregory reviewed the unbalanced Rothwell attentuators in HiFi+, and
found them to be excellent. The balanced ones cost GBP 69, which is
about $140 dollars I guess. Shop here:
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Phil Leigh;262925 Wrote:
> The noise floor of a recording is going to be determined ultimately by
> the microphones used to make it - and most typical professional studio
> mics struggle to attain a s/n ratio of 80dB...
In the recent comparison between 44.1/16 and SACD, the researchers
found tha
xand1x;263020 Wrote:
> I'm in the exact same scenario you are in mr_bill. I have Endler's on
> order and hopefully they'll arrive soon. As soon as I get them i'll let
> you know if there is an audible difference between using the digital
> volume control in the upper vs lower registers. I'm sure
mr_bill;263006 Wrote:
> That's what I'm doing now - but it gets pretty loud at -20 to -25db on
> the volume scale. That's what is prompting my concern.
> Am I losing too much resolution with my scenario?
> I should have posted that originally.
> Thanks,
> Bill
I'm in the exact same scenario y
Phil Leigh;262999 Wrote:
> Before spending any money, why don't you just try TP-Amp via XLR and use
> the volume control on the TP?
>
> I doubt you'll be unhappy.
That's what I'm doing now - but it gets pretty loud at -20 to -25db on
the volume scale. That's what is prompting my concern.
A
Phil Leigh;262925 Wrote:
> The noise floor of a recording is going to be determined ultimately by
> the microphones used to make it - and most typical professional studio
> mics struggle to attain a s/n ratio of 80dB...
As well as the ambient noise in the recording venue. For clasical
recording
Before spending any money, why don't you just try TP-Amp via XLR and use
the volume control on the TP?
I doubt you'll be unhappy.
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So what's the verdict here? It seems to get more confusing all the
time.
1. Transporter straight into amps?
2. Transporter into Endler Attenuators?
3. Transporter into higher quality preamp with Transporter set to
fixed output?
(all xlr if possible)
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jt25741;262768 Wrote:
>
> The fact that noise floor in the analog domain is much higher than
> needed to reproduce 24 bits is another matter -- and important as well.
> But regardless the information is gone in this case.
>
I don't think it's "another matter" - it makes this a moot point
(un
jt25741 wrote:
case 2) The point made earlier, is if you truly had a 24 bit recording,
> you cannot do that without the possibility of degrading the digital
> signal.
>
> The fact that noise floor in the analog domain is much higher than
> needed to reproduce 24 bits is another matter -- and im
Pat Farrell;262763 Wrote:
> jt25741 wrote:
> > Pat Farrell;262753 Wrote:
> >> jt25741 wrote:
> >>> But if you have or plan to have true 24 bit recordings, you may
> not
> >>> want to digitally attenuate and start truncating real data bits to
> >>> preserve fidelity at all listening levels.
> >>
jt25741 wrote:
> Pat Farrell;262753 Wrote:
>> jt25741 wrote:
>>> But if you have or plan to have true 24 bit recordings, you may not
>>> want to digitally attenuate and start truncating real data bits to
>>> preserve fidelity at all listening levels.
>> This is impossible.
>> As soon as you attenu
Pat Farrell;262753 Wrote:
> jt25741 wrote:
> > But if you have or plan to have true 24 bit recordings, you may not
> > want to digitally attenuate and start truncating real data bits to
> > preserve fidelity at all listening levels.
>
> This is impossible.
> As soon as you attenuate the signal,
jt25741 wrote:
> But if you have or plan to have true 24 bit recordings, you may not
> want to digitally attenuate and start truncating real data bits to
> preserve fidelity at all listening levels.
This is impossible.
As soon as you attenuate the signal, you lose low order bits. About one
bit pe
Phil Leigh;262733 Wrote:
> Oh for goodness sake - nobody needs to pay $600 for some metal film
> resistors!
Probably true. The single ended versions are actually quite popular
in some audiophile circles over the years -- they are the cheaper ones
(only about $400 :). However, they just don't
Oh for goodness sake - nobody needs to pay $600 for some metal film
resistors!
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You probably don't need very many settings. I've got my SB3 going into
a Benchmark DAC1, which has an analogue volume control. I do adjust
it, but pretty rarely, and I think three or four fixed settings would
actually be enough (I use the SB digital volume control for fine
adjustments).
Of cour
$600? Good God.
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Shredder;262433 Wrote:
> Morning.
>
> Just got my TP up and running. I am quite pleased.
>
> One issue: I am running the TP straight into my amps w/no pre and
> balanced ics. The volume is way too loud at the lowest levels. In
> essence, I have no low volume setting.
>
> I assume I need atte
Shredder;262521 Wrote:
> I can barely screw in a lightbulb let alone solder an attenuator.
I am quite good at getting sodded, however.
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I can barely screw in a lightbulb let alone solder an attenuator.
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cliveb;262490 Wrote:
> I'm sure the Endler attenuators are very good, but there are
> alternatives at much lower cost. If you can solder, and your
> interconnects have XLR plugs, then it's perfectly feasible to insert
> appropriate resistors to achieve the required attenuation. Total cost:
> 8 re
tomjtx;262440 Wrote:
> I use Scott Endler shotgun 12 stepp balanced att.'s and they work quite
> well.
>
> A pair of 12 step balanced will run you 140.00USD
I'm sure the Endler attenuators are very good, but there are
alternatives at much lower cost. If you can solder, and your
interconnects hav
tomjtx;262440 Wrote:
> I use Scott Endler shotgun 12 stepp balanced att.'s and they work quite
> well.
>
> I think the 24 step could be overkill.
>
> A pair of 12 step balanced will run you 140.00USD
Same here, but unbalanced. Got them a couple of years ago, never had a
complaint so far. In fa
I use Scott Endler shotgun 24 stepp balanced att.'s and they work quite
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Morning.
Just got my TP up and running. I am quite pleased.
One issue: I am running the TP straight into my amps w/no pre and
balanced ics. The volume is way too loud at the lowest levels. In
essence, I have no low volume setting.
I assume I need attenuators (TP ones won't work because I am u
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