swayzak;682107 Wrote:
Really ? That's interesting - never heard of them.
You mean like this:
http://www.destiny-audio.com/cms/en/pre-amplifier/tube-buffer.html
Looks cool as well.
How does the sound change ? Is it subtle ?
I have a similar one. I have seen them for as little as
I tried a tube buffer in my system, and it made mp3s sound much better -
more like music that hasn't been compressed. You can get a decent tube
buffer for $150-$200. I think if you listen to mp3's that would be a
more cost effective use of your money.
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firedog;682057 Wrote:
I tried a tube buffer in my system, and it made mp3s sound much better -
more like music that hasn't been compressed. You can get a decent tube
buffer for $150-$200. I think if you listen to mp3's that would be a
more cost effective use of your money.
Really ? That's
swayzak;681813 Wrote:
Hi
I have a Duet as my main source of music now (Cambridge Audio amp,
Cerwin-Vega AT-60 speakers), running via analogue outs.
It sounds good to me.
But I keep reading how the Touch sounds much better than the Duet, so
am now considering upgrading.
Do you need
swayzak;681813 Wrote:
Hi
I have a Duet as my main source of music now (Cambridge Audio amp,
Cerwin-Vega AT-60 speakers), running via analogue outs.
It sounds good to me.
But I keep reading how the Touch sounds much better than the Duet, so
am now considering upgrading.
Do you need
Hi
I have a Duet as my main source of music now (Cambridge Audio amp,
Cerwin-Vega AT-60 speakers), running via analogue outs.
It sounds good to me.
But I keep reading how the Touch sounds much better than the Duet, so
am now considering upgrading.
Do you need good audiophile ears to notice
Thanks
My 300GB, 3+ track music collection is almost entirely mp3 (Lame
extreme preset, av 256) so I guess those AAC / 24+96 issues are not so
important.
And I suppose having my collection in this format begs the question of
whether I should be posting in the audiophile forum at all :)
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With MP3s and CV speakers (most notable for playing LOUD, not
necessarily clearly), I doubt you'll notice any difference between your
Duet and a Touch.
I use FLAC, and more resolving speakers, and I hardly notice the
difference myself.
And BTW, I own (and use) a pair of AT-60s myself, just so
Soulkeeper;681885 Wrote:
With MP3s and CV speakers (most notable for playing LOUD, not
necessarily clearly), I doubt you'll notice any difference between your
Duet and a Touch.
I use FLAC, and more resolving speakers, and I hardly notice the
difference myself.
And BTW, I own (and
I recently changed my Duet with analogue out, to Touch with an Audio-gd
DAC, and the difference was pretty significant. But that is with
Dynaudio speakers and a ton of very clean power to drive them.
When I swapped the Touch into my other system in place of my SB2, there
was a difference, but
JJZolx;298735 Wrote:
The boneheads around here only talk numbers and scope plots. If you say
something sounds better you're bound to have some bozo ask How much
better?.
What an odd thing to say - I can't recall anyone here ever asking that.
Why not provide an example? That should be
I'm not claiming superior ears, but in a cross comparison, between a
Squeezebox 3 and the duet, hard wired (Ethernet), I heard about a 15-
20% improvement in the audio quality. The bass was definitely cleaner
and less sounding like it had gone through loudness plug-in and the
highs had more stage
I guess I shuffled this deck a bit. Okay, I'll go with 5-10% better
stage, cleaner bass and highs; But I have no doubt that the duet
provides a better audio quality to my preamop.
I do have some isues with the control/ GUI design though, but I'm
confident that the well directed brain power both
I think it's amazing you can work out improvements in sound quality out
by percentage. That's a real skill.
MC
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ModelCitizen;298732 Wrote:
I think it's amazing you can work out improvements in sound quality out
by percentage. That's a real skill.
The boneheads around here only talk numbers and scope plots. If you
say something sounds better you're bound to have some bozo ask How
much better?. I think
okay sorry I raised my enthusiastic flag, back to under the radar.
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Seeing as CardinalFang has bumped the thread, I just thought I would add
my 2p to the debate. I would not call myself an audiophile, but I
love music and take its reproduction very seriously and have quite high
standards.
I don't have the SB3 so this is essentially off-topic. However reading
Matt, what a refreshing and interesting post.
I'm not sure what you mean by If Naim made a nice DAC/pre-pre-amp,
but I wonder if the Naim SuperNait might do, a few DACS, amp and
pre-amp.
MC
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ModelCitizen;298122 Wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by If Naim made a nice DAC/pre-pre-amp,
but I wonder if the Naim SuperNait might do, a few DACS, amp and
pre-amp.
MC
I suppose I mean a small black box, a bit like their stageline and
superline phono pre-amps. I have a switching
I did note a difference between the Duet and my SB2 when I first got it,
the Duet somehow sounded more restrained. I seem to remember at the time
that in fact there was a difference in output levels between the two,
which would perhaps explain it.
Now? I couldn't care less. I use the Duet into
JJZolx;297072 Wrote:
Hmmm...
If I understand how bitrate limiting and the file format conversions
work, then ALAC would normally be streamed as Flac when Bitrate
Limiting is set to 'No Limit'. Meaning that LAME isn't used and the
LAME Quality Level has no effect.
I did change the switch
I would also remind everyone to check the settings of your player(s.)
Since I have my receiver on a switch to a/b with the tv system, it was
easy for me to a/b/c with the sb3...
The sb3 was definitely poor. On checking the player settings, the
default lame settings were no limit and fast but
pski;297063 Wrote:
I would also remind everyone to check the settings of your player(s.)
Since I have my receiver on a switch to a/b with the tv system, it was
easy for me to a/b/c with the sb3...
The sb3 was definitely poor. On checking the player settings, the
default lame settings
There was a thread similar here :
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087
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pfarrell;295869 Wrote:
Sean says he designed it to sound the same. No one has said that they
can hear differences.
Pat, I thought I could hear a difference, and said so in some of the
beta forums. But since I have neither a hi-res system nor good
conditions for a truly scientific listening
I HAD A SIMPLE QUESTION, VERY SIMPLE...
Can anyone tell me if there is sound quality difference between the
Duet and SB3 comparing the Analoge outs?
I thought that was a reasonable question that did not warrant a 6 page
debate. Whether I'm an Audiophile or not has nothing to do with the
Jazzyguy wrote:
I HAD A SIMPLE QUESTION, VERY SIMPLE...
Can anyone tell me if there is sound quality difference between the
Duet and SB3 comparing the Analoge outs?
I thought that was a reasonable question that did not warrant a 6 page
debate. Whether I'm an Audiophile or not has nothing
Jazzyguy;295777 Wrote:
I thought that was a reasonable question that did not warrant a 6 page
debate.
Welcome to the audiophile forum :)
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pfarrell wrote:
Jazzyguy;295777 Wrote:
Can anyone tell me if there is sound quality difference between the
Duet and SB3 comparing the Analoge outs?
Actually, it was the second response.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=289679postcount=3
2nd response in the thread, but first
radish;295804 Wrote:
Welcome to the audiophile forum :)
Hehe, very good!
Anyway, most people in the Audiophile section doesnt use the analogue
out from either, we use external dacs, because we are audiophiles,
ups, now I did it, dont hate me now.
We like to try out different equipment,
Robin Bowes;295813 Wrote:
pfarrell wrote:
Jazzyguy;295777 Wrote:
Can anyone tell me if there is sound quality difference between the
Duet and SB3 comparing the Analoge outs?
Actually, it was the second response.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=289679postcount=3
Jazzyguy wrote:
Very well then, however, my question was referring to actual users who
may have compared the two.
I'm baffled as to why you would ask this. There is no way that I'm going
to take the time to ABX them, and without that, its just hearsay. I have
bought three Squeezeboxes, a
ntom;293281 Wrote:
Is it just me or do people like to be deliberately divisive?
Par for the course in this non-Audiophile forum.
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pfarrell;295869 Wrote:
Jazzyguy wrote:
Very well then, however, my question was referring to actual users
who
may have compared the two.
I'm baffled as to why you would ask this. There is no way that I'm
going
to take the time to ABX them, and without that, its just hearsay. I
have
Jazzyguy;295918 Wrote:
Okay, Jeese, you don't have to. Was I asking you personally to do it?
Just wanted to see if anybody already did an A/B.
What I can't believe is you took the time to respond without an
educated answer, just to say you won't answer. Un-friggin-believable.
Who's
mr_bill;295920 Wrote:
What other audio forum did you post in Jazzy? I'd like to read the
posts.
I'd like to know too. It'd be very refreshing to read a constructive
audiophile thread.
MC
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Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
It's the music, stupid.
I don't usually bother to add comments in these types of thread.but
just couldn't resist on this occasion.
Is it just me or do people like to be deliberately divisive?
It's seems to me that both sides are saying the same thing here. I'm
inclined to agree that generally if someone has spent
ntom;293281 Wrote:
and a SB3 playing through a Perpetual Technologies DACUpsampler (also
second hand).=
This thread is shot anyway (oh look, yet another thread on the
SlimDevices Audiophile forum that has deteriorated into brain-dead
argument, well I never)..
Apart from the speakers
ModelCitizen;292598 Wrote:
Vinyl, obviously.
:-|
MC
Im not sure if you were being sarcastic, but I second your 'opinion'.
Havent heard anything digital (no matter how cheap or expensive)that
comes close to good Analog. Analog still remains the benchmark for most
audiophiles but also for
Thanks :)
I stand by my comments. While I think the duet is a nice device and
I'm very happy with the sound produces on my speakers, I'm not going to
try and convince anyone it's true audiophile gear.
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GuyDebord;292714 Wrote:
So I completely defend the new member who has been badly treated by the
knowitall forum hijackers making fun of his posts and calling him
offensive names.
Who called anyone offensive names? You must be reading a different
thread. The poster's general stance seems to
radish;292788 Wrote:
Who called anyone offensive names? You must be reading a different
thread. The poster's general stance seems to be that how good something
is can be soley measured by it's price tag. Others, myself included,
think that's hogwash. Simply sticking a couple of zeros on the
I have just received my duet and it is linked up to a
naim/exposure/shahinian £7k system. Sounds good to me. Not as good as
my Sondek and vinyl but on a par, not the same but good enough, with my
consonance CD player.
Audiophile is in the ears and concentration not in the price of the
kit. One
gedhick;292804 Wrote:
I have just received my duet and it is linked up to a
naim/exposure/shahinian £7k system. Sounds good to me.
Mine's about $10k (ATI/Linkwitz Orion+). I'm using a Benchmark DAC1 as
a source only because it's also serving as a preamp. I was quite happy
with the sound of
kazinvan;292801 Wrote:
.. The duet alone is not audiophile gear and I doubt anyone will
convince me otherwise.
Before this turns ugly, maybe a little attempt for better understanding
is in order. What is your definition of an 'audiophile gear'?
K
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The sound stage will open
I think at this point the less I say the better it may be, but I'll try
and convey where I'm coming from one more time.
Audiophile is a rather broad term and can mean different things to
different people. A person who has a Sony mini system with some
plastic speakers likely thinks a system with
kazinvan wrote:
Thus, true audiophiles (systems
and ears that can resolve subtle differences) would not consider the
duet an audiophile quality device.
Then why in the world are you wasting your time posting, and my time
reading, since this is SlimDevices's audiophile forum?
You claim to
kazinvan;292846 Wrote:
I don't think the vast majority of people would be be able to tell the
difference between the two (duet/SB3) in blind a/b testing.
Actually that's trivial for anyone, at least if you're allowed to
listen to a quiet section at high volume and/or put your ear close to
the
opaqueice;292813 Wrote:
Mine's about $10k (ATI/Linkwitz Orion+). I'm using a Benchmark DAC1 as
a source only because it's also serving as a preamp. I was quite happy
with the sound of the SB3 (apart from an issue with noise from the
display circuitry, which the SBR doesn't share).
I
GuyDebord;292967 Wrote:
Kazinvan, of course welcome to such a nice forum, to bad some few are
trying to hijack it, stick around!!
You keep saying people are trying to hijack the forum...what do you
mean?
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I'll stick around. I just purchased the duet and I'm enjoying it so
far. I'm sure I'll have questions and sooner or later I'll start
adding plugins and trying to hack the thing in general. I'm sure the
forum will come in handy.
I will likely, as pfarrel suggested, stay out of this sub-forum
kazinvan;292971 Wrote:
I'll stick around.
Please do! New people really are welcome, you just chose a somewhat
risky first post and first forum :)
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GuyDebord;292967 Wrote:
10k system with benchmark you are totally right, adding zeros to
the price makes no difference. You might not be a true audiophile as
you say, but you shure spend similar amounts of money as real ones!
As I said earlier, I added the Benchmark for three
Jazzyguy;289677 Wrote:
I have owned the SB3 now for a couple of years and won't get the Duet
until I know how the 2 compare in sound quality, being an Audiophile
and all.
I doubt any true audiophile would use either of the devices.
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kazinvan;292564 Wrote:
I doubt any true audiophile would use either of the devices.
Pay attention, folks - a True Audiophile has kindly stooped down to
enlighten us.
What should we be using, oh master?
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opaqueice;292595 Wrote:
What should we be using, oh master?
Vinyl, obviously.
:-|
MC
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opaqueice;292595 Wrote:
Pay attention, folks - a True Audiophile has kindly stooped down to
enlighten us.
What should we be using, oh master?
Oh ya, if the duet really is true 'audiophile' quality why do they make
a Transporter? The duet is a nice device, I have one and like it a lot.
kazinvan;292608 Wrote:
Oh ya, if the duet really is true 'audiophile' quality why do they make
a Transporter? The duet is a nice device, I have one and like it a
lot. It's good for what it does.
What digital source are you using that you think is better than the
Duet?
BTW- Has anyone
Do not feed the trolls.
kazinvan wrote:
then more cash on room treatments, cables, etc would your source be a
duet? Maybe, but I bet a lot of people who spend that kind of money
get high end CD players, good DACs, etc.
Go ahead, buy a $10,000 CD transport.
More than a few audiophiles had
I'm not a troll nor do I plan on spending that kind of money on a
transport. My point is that the duet is not the last word in audio.
The simple fact that people upgrade the SB's and send the signal to
external DACs essentially proves my point.
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kazinvan;292626 Wrote:
I'm not a troll nor do I plan on spending that kind of money on a
transport. My point is that the duet is not the last word in audio.
The simple fact that people upgrade the SB's and send the signal to
external DACs essentially proves my point.
Yeah, if a few people
CPC;292618 Wrote:
BTW- Has anyone measured jitter on the Duet's digital output. IMO, it
sounds better than the SB3 digital out.
I thought so too, but the SB2/3 and SBR share the same circuitry in the
digital section, so the sound should be the same using digital outs of
both.
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ModelCitizen;290818 Wrote:
Some friends and I tested out a few devices (Receiver, SB3, Tranpsorter,
SB+, Naim CDX) on a top end Naim hifi with BW Nautiless speakers
recently. No DACS in sight. We didn't devote too much time to the
Receiver and the SB3, but the differences were not remarked
neither the Wolfson chip in this player nor the Squeezebox 3 can match
the punch, timing and atmospherics of a similarly priced dedicated
separates CD player
ROFL!.
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Some friends and I tested out a few devices (Receiver, SB3, Tranpsorter,
SB+, Naim CDX) on a top end Naim hifi with BW Nautiless speakers
recently. We didn't devote too much time to the Receiver and the SB3,
but the differences were not remarked upon as being great. For me
personally I was
Me and a friend has done some listening between an Linn Ikemi and the
Squeezebox Duet, using the analog outputs in an all Linn-rig.
They had a sound that was almost equal in quality. Maybe the Ikemi
sounded a little worse. My friend and owner of the Linn-rig has now
sold his Ikemi, and replaced
Paradigm;290259 Wrote:
Me and a friend has done some listening between an Linn Ikemi and the
Squeezebox Duet, using the analog outputs in an all Linn-rig.
They had a sound that was almost equal in quality. Maybe the Ikemi
sounded a little worse. My friend and owner of the Linn-rig has now
This review compares the sound and finds the squeezebox to be slightly
better
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Maybe I've been into decent hi-fi for too long, but I still can't my
head round the numerous comments that the Duet is expensive.
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Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more
Mike69;289870 Wrote:
This review compares the sound and finds the squeezebox to be slightly
better
That review compares the Digital out, I need to know about the Analog
Out.
Anyone??
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Jazzyguy;289997 Wrote:
That review compares the Digital out, I need to know about the Analog
Out.
It compares the analog outs, starting on page 3.
Personally I wouldn't pay the slightest bit of attention to the
conclusions, but that's just me.
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opaqueice;29 Wrote:
Personally I wouldn't pay the slightest bit of attention to the
conclusions, but that's just me.
Indeed...
neither the Wolfson chip in this player nor the Squeezebox 3 can match
the punch, timing and atmospherics of a similarly priced dedicated
separates CD player
Well, I don't trust this review...
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Hi,
Haven't seen any feedback on the sound quality of the new Duet. Has
anyone listened to it yet...? I'm curious how it will stack up against
my trusty SB2.
Thanks,
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I registered just to respond to this thread saying I have almost the
same question.
My question is SB3 using Analog outs V.S The Complete Duet using analog
outs.
I have owned the SB3 now for a couple of years and won't get the Duet
until I know how the 2 compare in sound quality, being an
Sean says that the DACs are different but sound about the same. He's
designed the Receiver to be as good as he can, and he is smarter and
more experienced now. He's done the Transporter and the Receiver since
he did the SB3.
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Pat
I have my receiver connected to Audioengine A2's and it sounds fine, but
of course I can't judge it critically on those speakers.
But I will say that I find the analog output a little noisy. I would
think it would unacceptable to an audiophile.
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