[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-30 Thread Michaelwagner
pfarrell Wrote: Now, since I'm old, most of my favorite rock is what younger folks probably scoff at. -- Pat Yeah. When I was a kid, my parents would say what is that noise? when I played the beatles or the stones. Now my kid plays this rap stuff, and I go to say what is that noise? and

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-30 Thread street_samurai
I completely agree with what both Pat and Sean wrote. So I have very little to add except that MP3-encoders can make a hugh difference in the quality of your Mp3. Obviously settings within those encoders can make a big difference as well. If you are going the Mp3 route, I'd seriously consider

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-30 Thread Mark_H
street_samurai Wrote: -Very- few people can tell the difference between a properly encoded Mp3 and a FLAC. You'll need a golden system AND golden ears. As Sean pointed out, this can heavily depend on the source material. MP3 presets are optimized to be a general as possible but some types

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-30 Thread Mitch Harding
Is that even true between FLAC and, say, 360 CBR LAME mp3?On 9/30/05, Mark_H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:street_samurai Wrote: -Very- few people can tell the difference between a properly encoded Mp3 and a FLAC. You'll need a golden system AND golden ears. As Sean pointed out, this can heavily

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-20 Thread bernt
Don't forget that FLAC also is a very good backup of your cd. -- bernt ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-20 Thread seanadams
YEMV but as far as I can tell, recordings with more distortion/noise reveal MP3's artifacts most readily. This is assuming of course that you know the CD *very* well, otherwise you can't tell what's from the source vs the compression. I heard this for myself before I knew much about how MP3

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-20 Thread Robin Bowes
Dave D wrote: -- Anything else? Dave, Don't overlook the fact that your equipment might not be good enough to show the difference. I tried a few external DACs with my SB1 and, when I first tried, I couldn't hear any difference between the SB1 internal DAC, an Arcam Delta, and Art DI/O,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-20 Thread Fifer
Be warned, headphones have all sorts of non-linearities. I'd argue that in general, pound for pound, decent headphones will provide more linearity and fidelity than speakers. (Obviously I mean pound sterling, although the same might be true for pound weight if your neck muscles are strong

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-20 Thread m1abrams
I would argue that the biggest benefit of FLAC is not that it sounds better than mp3. In fact for most people with most equipment in most environments flac will not sound better than decently encoded mp3s. However I rip ALL my music to FLAC. Because I do not want to EVER rip my music twice.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-20 Thread Pat Farrell
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 03:20 -0700, Fifer wrote: Be warned, headphones have all sorts of non-linearities. I'd argue that in general, pound for pound, decent headphones will provide more linearity and fidelity than speakers. (Obviously I mean pound sterling, although the same might be true

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-20 Thread Dave2
Most players don't give you gapless playback from mp3 -- at least they didn't six months ago, when I was deciding which way to go. This is a big problem for those many classical albums where one track is supposed to move into the next without any audible pause or gap. (See, for example,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-20 Thread Pat Farrell
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 10:51 -0700, cliveb wrote: It's irrelevant for most rock albums, which have the standard 2-second gap between tracks. Ahem. There are literally thousands of rock albums where tracks segue; some very famous ones being: Dark Side of the Moon, Abbey Road, Hounds of Love,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-20 Thread Fifer
but The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's seque from Uncle Charlie and His Dog Teddy into Mr Bogangles is also classic Thanks Pat, I haven't listened to 'Uncle Charlie' for ages. Sing 'The Old Rugged Cross' now, chord with this ... -- Fifer ___ audiophiles

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-19 Thread Dave D
Thanks Pat. I'm listening through my Labtec :) headphones, since they sound better than my old Advent speakers (might get new speakers later this year). Maybe that makes a difference. The amplifier is an Onkyo TX-860, which was pretty good when I bought it in 1989. Probably far out-performs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC vs. VBR MP3: should I hear a difference?

2005-09-19 Thread Pat Farrell
On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 20:17 -0700, Dave D wrote: I'm listening through my Labtec :) headphones, Be warned, headphones have all sorts of non-linearities. since they sound better than my old Advent speakers (might get new speakers later this year). Large Advents? I had four of them. Still