Thanks to JJZolxss tip I have taken the option to hide all posts by
opaqueice, because he was really 'getting on my tits', to use a good
old English expression! If we all ignore him he may go away and
irritate people elsewhere.
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afblaster;190797 Wrote:
Thanks to JJZolxss tip I have taken the option to hide all posts by
opaqueice, because he was really 'getting on my tits', to use a good
old English expression! If we all ignore him he may go away and
irritate people elsewhere.
It's good being British - I find it
adamslim;190800 Wrote:
It's good being British - I find it very easy to enjoy the obvious
incredulity when people reply to O's posts: you -really- think that?.
View him as the court jester and he's good fun!
At your service, m'lord - it's pretty entertaining for me too ;-).
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opaqueice wrote:
Robin Bowes;190715 Wrote:
No, a turkey won't vote for Christmas, will it?
The first time I read your post, I didn't understand a single thing you
had said. Now at least I have a theory about this last - are you
British, and do people eat turkey at Christmas there?
Yes.
opaqueice;190833 Wrote:
At your service, m'lord - it's pretty entertaining for me too, here in
the court of the nude emperors ;-).
As we seem to have driffted a bit OT I will continue :), I'm interested
as to what equipment you have Opaqueice.
I know all the bits I have bought, err only
opaqueice;190700 Wrote:
Well, I agree listening tests should play a role - but my point was
mainly that it's impractical to build the thing every possible way and
then listen to every configuration and decide which is best. You have
to design it first, and if something is wrong you can go
Deaf Cat;190868 Wrote:
As we seem to have driffted a bit OT I will continue :), I'm interested
as to what equipment you have Opaqueice.
At the moment, stock SB3 - custom Odyssey Audio amp (similar to the
Khartago/Stratos, but with a volume knob attached to a passive
potentiometer added) -
Cheers :)
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Just for the record, I have an Honours degree in Electronic, Computer
Systems Engineering from Loughborough University of Technology, and
over 25 years research and product development experience in the
Broadcast TV, CCTV and related industries.
If you watched any TV in the last two decades of
AndyC_772;190482 Wrote:
What matters with SPDIF is the jitter between successive clock edgesActually
what really matters is how any artifacts in the SPDIF signal
affect the jitter of the regenerated clock in the external DAC - but
since all external DACs are slightly different, and we don't
totoro;190465 Wrote:
It'd be really interesting to see a shootout style review of the sb3,
transporter, and sb+, with a panel blindly choosing which they like
(seems like you occasionally find these sorts of reviews online these
days-- I think the audiocircle people did one on switching amps
Patrick Dixon;190500 Wrote:
Equally if you have been caught on CCTV (particularly, but not
exclusively, in the UK), it's very probable that you've been monitored
and recorded by equipment which was designed by me, and manufactured
and sold by the company I founded.
Brace yourself for the
cliveb;190516 Wrote:
Brace yourself for the hate mail, Patrick!
You haven't been shoplifting in MS or counting cards in Las Vegas, have
you? ;-)
cliveb;190516 Wrote:
On a more serious note, can we conclude from this potted history that
you've already made your fortune, and the SB+ business
Patrick Dixon;190527 Wrote:
I guess you mean in the same way that Richard Branson flies us all on
holiday for free, or James Dyson gave us all a free vacuum cleaner?
Touche. I'm sure you didn't really think I meant it that way. Of course
you're not running your business as a charity.
What I
Just to add.
I recently took delivery of an SB+, never heard a Transporter so can't
comment about a potential comparison. I'm using the SB+ purely as a
transport, outputting the digital signal to an external Bel Canto
DAC2.
What I can comment on is the difference between my existing Meridian
500
Patrick Dixon;190503 Wrote:
The review was originally intended to include a comparison of the SB+
and a Boulder modified SB2, but when the Boulder unit was returned, it
had apparently developed a fault and was therefore withdrawn.
Oh, well. Maybe this will lead to more reviews.
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I'm using the SB+ purely as a transport
Thought the only point of the SB+ was it replaced the SB's DAC.
Surely an SB3 with linear PSU would do what you wanted?
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amcluesent;190547 Wrote:
I'm using the SB+ purely as a transport
Thought the only point of the SB+ was it replaced the SB's DAC.
Surely an SB3 with linear PSU would do what you wanted?
Two versions of the SB+ exist, one with a built in DAC, one without.
As can be seen on my sig, I
What about the sonic differences between firmware versions mentioned in
the review, was this ever proved, and if so what was so special about
v15 and can we have what ever it contained it back in the new versions?
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Patrick Dixon;190500 Wrote:
If you watched any TV in the last two decades of the 20th Century
(particularly global events like the Olympics and World Cup, or if you
were in the USA and watched anything transferred from film to TV) you
were almost certainly watching courtesy of equipment I
opaqueice;190579 Wrote:
If you've watched any HDTV, ever, you watched courtesy of equipment I
had a hand in designing.I was watching HD stuff at Broadcast shows and in
development labs back
in the mid/late 80's. Is that what you did? Never seen any US HD
broadcasting though - is it any
Patrick Dixon;190588 Wrote:
I was watching HD stuff at Broadcast shows and in development labs back
in the mid/late 80's. Is that what you did? Never seen any US HD
broadcasting though - is it any good?
Well, this was in the 90s, around when the standard was formalized by
the FCC in the
opaqueice;190591 Wrote:
So I take it the answer is no?No ;-)
(some padding because the message is too short ...)
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Patrick Dixon;190588 Wrote:
Never seen any US HD broadcasting though - is it any good?
PBS (public broadcasting) is the best over the air station in my area.
One of the better [looking] shows is Austin City Limits, a live music
showcase of too-often alt country bands. The sound should be CD
opaqueice;190579 Wrote:
As an engineer, you must be aware of the importance of doing controlled
measurements. Have you (or anyone else) ever done a blind listening
test comparing the SB+ playing music to the stock SB?
Just a thought on this question.
As Patrick builds the SB+ by starting
Mr_Sukebe;190600 Wrote:
Just a thought on this question.
As Patrick builds the SB+ by starting with a standard SB, don't you
think that it would be fairly reasonable to assume that he's done a
comparison between the two. Furthermore, lets assume he has, and has
then gone on to market the
opaqueice;190610 Wrote:
PD has just confirmed that none have been done, so your assumption is
incorrect.Err no. I answered no to your question.
Honestly, I'm not that good a salesman that I can walk into peoples'
homes, plug in a SB+ next to their SB2 or SB3, and walk away with a
cheque for
opaqueice;190610 Wrote:
It's not as simple as that. It's very easy to fool yourself into
hearing a difference in uncontrolled tests when one isn't there -
that's why I asked about blind tests. PD has just confirmed that none
have been done, so your assumption is incorrect.
It's
Simon wrote:
What about the sonic differences between firmware versions mentioned in
the review, was this ever proved, and if so what was so special about
v15 and can we have what ever it contained it back in the new versions?
I believe that versions from v16 reversed the left and right
opaqueice wrote:
I suspect the Transporter was designed like that - SD tried to
produce something with the least possible jitter at the digital out,
the lowest distortion, etc. - all defined by theory and measured with
scopes. My guess is listening tests played a very small role,
because we
Patrick Dixon;190616 Wrote:
Err no. I answered no to your question.
I assumed you were responding to the original question. OK, so you
have conducted blind testing - would you mind sharing your methodology
and results?
On salesmanship, that argument just doesn't hold water - there are
Patrick Dixon;190616 Wrote:
Err no. I answered no to your question.
Honestly, I'm not that good a salesman that I can walk into peoples'
homes, plug in a SB+ next to their SB2 or SB3, and walk away with a
cheque for a grand - without them hearing an improvement. If I was,
I'd be wasted
opaqueice;190626 Wrote:
I assumed you were responding to the original question. OK, so you have
conducted blind testing - would you mind sharing your methodology and
results?
On salesmanship, that argument just doesn't hold water - there are
hundreds, if not thousands, of overpriced
Patrick Dixon;190636 Wrote:
Nothing I 'share' with you is ever going to convince you of anything!
Exactly. Don't waste your time with idiots.
This forum software has a great feature for avoiding stupid arguments
like this one. Click on the name 'opaqueice' and select 'View Public
Profile'.
I heard such a large diff between the SB3 and the TP over 2 weeks of
comparison that I would not need to DBX to make a decision.
However, I respect O's position to not take my word for it.
I don't need a test when the diff is so large and it is my purchase,
but I wouldn't be offended if O
tomjtx;190660 Wrote:
I think O has been polite in his posts and I hope we could all do the
same.
Thanks Tom. I really do my best not to be rude or offend anyone when I
disagree with them. I apologize if anything I said here was out of
line, and if anything was I would appreciate having
adamslim;190617 Wrote:
While I appreciate that all design should be driven by intelligence
(evolution excepted!), to me this is no way to design an audio product.
It makes perfect sense if we can measure everything that can possibly
be heard, but I suspect this is not the case. I'd much
opaqueice;190258 Wrote:
Another clueless reviewer.
That depends on what he means doesn't it? What if he means that WiFi
bandwidth for some devices is generally insufficient for lossless
formats, like FLAC, so typically lossy formats are used, whereas with
wired connection higher quality
opaqueice wrote:
Robin Bowes]
Are you seriously questioning whether the Transporter sounds any
better than the stock Squeezebox (2 or 3) ?
Yes. Questioning, not stating.
It sounds like another one of your little thought experiments. I mean,
are you serious:
I suspect the Transporter
Man, I wish someone would just do a ABx test with the SB and Anything.
I would do one with my cheap Sony 595, but my wife would not put up
with all the switching back and forth. Please someone do this so that
we can at least prove to Opaqueice that sources do make a difference.
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Robin Bowes;190715 Wrote:
No, a turkey won't vote for Christmas, will it?
The first time I read your post, I didn't understand a single thing you
had said. Now at least I have a theory about this last - are you
British, and do people eat turkey at Christmas there?
I still have no idea
opaqueice;190767 Wrote:
Now at least I have a theory about this last - are you British, and do
people eat turkey at Christmas there?
I still have no idea what you're on about in the rest.
I'm hoping your use of 'on about' was an attempt at humour, due to the
fact that it's a british-ism,
It is generally considered that the wired connection gives superior
sound, although the wireless connection is probably much more
convenient.
Another clueless reviewer.
Who would buy a modified SB for 1000 GBP when the Transporter is
available for slightly more?
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Does it make sense to buy a modified SB for 1000 GBP when the
Transporter is available for slightly more?
Dunno it might do. I have an SB+ and prefer the look to the
transporter. As for sound I wouldn't dare to offer a deep comparison -
Id be comparing something I know very well (SB+) with
opaqueice wrote:
It is generally considered that the wired connection gives superior
sound, although the wireless connection is probably much more
convenient.
Another clueless reviewer.
I would agree with that statement.
Who would buy a modified SB for 1000 GBP when the Transporter is
opaqueice;190258 Wrote:
Does it make sense to buy a modified SB for 1000 GBP when the
Transporter is available for slightly more?
When I sell my house and hopefully have a bit of cash left over the TP
and SB+ are on the list to listen to. I like the TP's extra functions,
but, if I prefer the
opaqueice;190258 Wrote:
Does it make sense to buy a modified SB for 1000 GBP when the
Transporter is available for slightly more?
Man, this is turning into a fanboy site :(
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SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio
Research 859, Living Voice
Patrick Dixon was kind enough to come and demonstrate a basic SB3 along
side the SB+ and it is quite clear that in standard form, the SB3 is no
audiophile source! - Nick Whetstone - www.tnt-audio.com
Great review.
Congratulations to Mr.Dixon.
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adamslim;190385 Wrote:
Man, this is turning into a fanboy site :(
Please. I don't care nearly enough about this to be considered a
fanboy, and I don't own a Transporter.
It just seems a little odd to spend so much modifying a SB for improved
sound quality when the company that designed it
opaqueice;190389 Wrote:
Please. I don't care nearly enough about this to be considered a
fanboy, and I don't own a Transporter.
It just seems a little odd to spend so much modifying a SB for improved
sound quality when the company that designed it in the first place has
produced a
opaqueice;190389 Wrote:
Please. I don't care nearly enough about this to be considered a
fanboy, and I don't own a Transporter.
You cared enough to post a jab at Patrick :-)
Are you sure he's not an engineer? I'm not, but I know he has some test
equipment and I'd assume a clean workspace as
It'd be really interesting to see a shootout style review of the sb3,
transporter, and sb+, with a panel blindly choosing which they like
(seems like you occasionally find these sorts of reviews online these
days-- I think the audiocircle people did one on switching amps
recently).
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Title says it all - here is the link:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/at-tunes_e.html
rgds Richard
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