Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-13 Thread rgro
Hey Guido, If you still have my personal email, could you send me a hello (for some reason, I've lost yours). I have a few specific questions about the Anti-Mode Core that I'd like to ask, but don't want to clutter up this thread any further. If you don't have my email, just send your to me via

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-12 Thread guidof
Mnyb wrote: > Sorry I wrote that after your first post reading your signature , I did > not see your further describtion . > But anyway now we know that it has a digital input , makes the product > even more versatile . Thank you . No problem. Actually, as one who for a long time subscribed to t

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-11 Thread Mnyb
And after googling a bit , I realise you have tube preamp . And you will miss its sonic contribution going digital in . So the DSPeaker actually preserves the signature of previous components . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +Merid

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-11 Thread Mnyb
guidof wrote: > Yes, I'm aware of that, as my description (above) in effect states. > > Earlier, I had tried using the DSPeaker's digital input (via Toslink) > and using the device as a preamp (via its own digital attenuator). Not > bad, but not in the same league at all as the current setup. An

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-11 Thread rgro
guidof wrote: > Hello Rick: > > Here is how my connections are set up: DAC RCA out to preamp RCA in; > preamp RCA out to DSPeaker RCA in; DSPeaker XLR out to amp XLR in; > DSPeaker RCA out to sub RCA in. For quite a while I was using the > Benchmark as both a DAC and preamp, with the DAC XLR out

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-11 Thread guidof
Mnyb wrote: > Hmm are you aware that the a DSP product connected in the analog signal > path must do AD then DA conversion again ? > . Yes, I'm aware of that, as my description (above) notes. Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio CISCO Router>DL

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-11 Thread Mnyb
Hmm are you aware that the a DSP product connected in the analog signal path must do AD then DA conversion again ? Does it not have a digital inputs ? And built in volume control ? So one can ditch DAC and preamp . The legacy sources as LP cassette and tuner etc can use the analog in . Especiall

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-11 Thread guidof
rgro wrote: > Thanks, Guido. So, in your system you have the DSpeaker connected to > your pre amp and then you go from the DSpeaker into your Music Reference > amp, right? And do you use just the RCA ins and outs on the DSpeaker > for those connections? > > I'm trying to figure out if it every

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-11 Thread rgro
guidof wrote: > Hi Rick: > > My experience with the DSPeaker AntiMode Dual Core had been very > positive in my former (largish) Maryland listening room. But I found it > absolutely essential in my current (small) California room. It took > about two years of measurements plus trial and error to

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-11 Thread guidof
rgro wrote: > I was going to ask a question which mnyb has touched on. It sounded a > bit to me like Toole was saying that room correction for frequencies > below 200 hz or so would be quite effective. Which made me wonder if > something like the DSpeaker Anti-mode subwoofer equalizer > (http:/

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread rgro
Archimago wrote: > Absolutely IMO! Room correction with DSP filters below the transition > zone around 100-200Hz to correct the lumps and bumps from bass response > irregularities due to the (small) room makes a huge difference. Some > subs (like my Paradigm SUB1) already has the DSP built in; ju

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread Gandhi
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Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: > Genelec has done some interesting work on 3-way active concentric > speakers to reduce intermodulation distortion. Cool I'm becoming more and more inclined to try genelec when my Meridian gear gives up the ghost (but i still have a lot of years to go on them ) . But on the topic

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread Archimago
rgro wrote: > I was going to ask a question which mnyb has touched on. It sounded a > bit to me like Toole was saying that room correction for frequencies > below 200 hz or so would be quite effective. Which made me wonder if > something like the DSpeaker Anti-mode subwoofer equalizer > (http:/

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread Julf
Mnyb wrote: > Wonder how distortion in speakers is going to be diminished in the > future ? They all distorts quite audible on realistic levels . > Genelec has done some interesting work on 3-way active concentric speakers to reduce intermodulation distortion. "To try to judge the real from

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread rgro
I was going to ask a question which mnyb has touched on. It sounded a bit to me like Toole was saying that room correction for frequencies below 200 hz or so would be quite effective. Which made me wonder if something like the DSpeaker Anti-mode might be a worthwhile investment for a home enviro

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread Mnyb
I'm halfway trough the video now , took a little music pause :) But are not those Revels developed with Floyd's experience and knowledge in their DNA they are part of Harman . I think he's not alone in thinking in these power responses over the room or what you may call it ( similar arguments co

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread rgro
Archimago wrote: > Yes, those Revels are excellent. I heard a pair about 3months back and > for the $5000/pr they're asking, I'd certainly be very happy with that > level of performance and fit/finish! We were very fortunate to have been able to get our hands on a couple of flawless, quite new d

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread Archimago
rgro wrote: > Cool video--very educational. Thanks, Archimago. After watching it, I > looked up the Spinorama (love that moniker) chart form my F208s and it > made me VERY happy! Yes, those Revels are excellent. I heard a pair about 3 months back and for the $5000/pr they're asking, I'd certai

Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread rgro
Archimago wrote: > Nice video of a talk at CIRMMT Distinguished Lectures in Sound and > Technology in Music - May 2015 (McGill University). > > Good discussion of speaker measurements and matching of "subjective > measurements" with the objective.. Cool video--very educational. Thanks, Archima

Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts

2015-07-10 Thread Archimago
Nice video of a talk at CIRMMT Distinguished Lectures in Sound and Technology in Music - May 2015 (McGill University). Good discussion of speaker measurements and matching of "subjective measurements" with the objective. https://youtu.be/zrpUDuUtxPM 12:00 - chart of blind test vs. sighted test