Graham,
The fact GFA do not investigate accidents and incidents is appalling, GFA management is stuck in the 50's with their attitude to most things including safety.
Several people i know who are professionals in safety and risk management in industry have offered to set up a safety mana
At 07:58 PM 28/04/2005, Jeremy Thompson wrote:
Graham,
The fact GFA do not investigate accidents and incidents is appalling, GFA
management is stuck in the 50's with their attitude to most things
including safety.
Several people i know who are professionals in safety and risk management
in indu
Jeremy
Thank you.
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And yet we have another uninformed and factually
incorrect comment. Clearly Jeremy does not know the current rules and
regulations, which as a CFI is inexcusable (and Robert Hart thanked him?). If
a reporting culture needed to be brought back into Jeremy’s Club, then
shame on that Club’s
Christopher H Thorpe wrote:
It should also be noted that the aforementioned Act only binds the
Crown. GFA is not afforded protection under the Act, so any of its
reports can be used by the Courts when determining legal causality.
Which is probably why they aren't produced in the first place.
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Why do we keep insisting that accident investigation reports are not
produced? Reports are produced - firstly the "responsible person" must
provide an accident report to both the ATSB and the RTO within strict
timeframes. External agencies like the Police and Coroner will also provide
reports to
That would be because in the US, the SSA is just a club and the FAA run all
gliding - they don't really differentiate it from other areas of GA.
And in the UK, you are only partly right. The AAIB ONLY look at FATAL glider
accidents, and are notified of those involving series injury or badly
damage
On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 00:31 +1000, Christopher H Thorpe wrote:
> Accidents and incidents are investigated â initially by the Club, then
> by the RTO Ops, CTO Ops, Operations Panel and sometimes the Police and
> Coroner. It is the ATSB that doesnât investigate sporting aviation
> accidents because
To say that "nothing comes back out" from accident reports is utter
nonsense. Operations Directives 1/03 and 1/04, and Operations Advice Notice
1/97 are all examples to the contrary. In addition, information is
disseminated through NGS and Flight Safety Seminars. In my opinion, the
summary repor
Well, if these reports do exist, and if they are forwarded to the ATSB,
presumably the ATSB review them in some way or other, for their own
information and statistical purposes, and then just file them in an
archive. It begs the question though, why can't THEY then publish them ?
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Peter Cres
Title: RE: [Aus-soaring] Safety and GFA
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occurs/
199700049
199805348
199900844
200400924
Use the search button (top right hand).
These are only fatals, there may be other glider non fatals.
There is a delay between accident occurrence and report appe
On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 09:24 +1000, Christopher H Thorpe wrote:
> To say that "nothing comes back out" from accident reports is utter
> nonsense. Operations Directives 1/03 and 1/04, and Operations Advice Notice
> 1/97 are all examples to the contrary. In addition, information is
> disseminated th
Christopher H Thorpe wrote:
... where deemed appropriate.
By whom, and by who's criteria ?
This is the problem.
I totally agree with Robert Hart's position on this.
We need access to the raw data / reports, no iff's, no but's, no maybe's.
There are almost certainly many nuances that can be tell
Probably because (a) they didn't investigate and (b) it would add to their
costs through proper authoring and vetting by legal counsel.
And as I have previously written, the ATSB does review the reports and will
make recommendations to GFA and others where deemed appropriate.
-Original Messa
By whom, and by who's criteria? In the context of my post it is by the ATSB
using their criteria.
I have previously stated my reasons why I disagree with Robert Hart's
position and nothing that has been stated since persuades me to change my
view.
I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories and am
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:24:51 +1000
"Christopher H Thorpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> .. In my opinion, the
> summary reports are fine and I do not share your view that pilots are
> unable to learn from them.
"ABLE to learn" - perhaps. But the summaries are not very gripping. You
might get the b
Christopher H Thorpe wrote:
I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories and am of the opinion (formed
through 27 years in gliding) that the current GFA system works. If the ATSB
could be convinced to change its attitude to sport aviation accident
investigation then the reports may just become availab
Peter Creswick wrote:
I totally agree with Robert Hart's position on this.
We need access to the raw data / reports, no iff's, no but's, no maybe's.
Interesting. Do you get the raw data from the ATSB for the investigations
they carry out?
How about the NTSB in the US. Do they publish raw data?
Pe
Title: Criteria WAS: [Aus-soaring] Safety and GFA
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Creswick
> Christopher H Thorpe wrote:
>
> >... where deemed appropriate.
> >
> By whom, and by who's criteria ?
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occurs/operates.cfm
Regards
SWK
G'day All,
Finally have the Waikerie CD full of 457 images, everyones flight traces
and daily results! It looks a treat. So I'm just in the process of
burning 55 compies, and will soon be posted out to you all! If you know of
someone attending Waik, please let them know I havn't forgotten th
Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA) wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Creswick
> Christopher H Thorpe wrote:
>
> >... where deemed appropriate.
> >
> By whom, and by who's criteria ?
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occurs/operates.cfm
Seems to be written by a lawyer, but the sentence o
Mark Newton wrote:
Peter Creswick wrote:
I totally agree with Robert Hart's position on this.
We need access to the raw data / reports, no iff's, no but's, no
maybe's.
Interesting. Do you get the raw data from the ATSB for the
investigations
they carry out?
How about the NTSB in the US. Do th
On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 09:24 +1000, Christopher H Thorpe wrote:
> If you really want reports made available to the membership, you should
> lobby the ATSB to have them change their stance on sport aviation accident
> investigation.
Tks - I've written to Bob Hall (copy to my state councillor to keep
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