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2014-09-12 Thread emilis prelgauskas
If my memory is sound, in the prior eras (mine and Mark's) the appeal was directed to all without distinguishing between individuals, with the belief that as more senior female role models/mentors became available, the path would ease further. On 13/09/2014, at 12:53 PM, Catherine Conway wrote:

Re: [Aus-soaring] Unsubscribe

2014-09-12 Thread Teal
> "If the bell curve of "sensibility" has a peak in a different place for men > and women..." That's an awfully big "if". And one that encompasses a huge number of assumptions (but not, I suspect, much actual data). BTW, I also fly r/c models from time to time. And do a bunch of other stuff a

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2014-09-12 Thread Ben Jones
Tho the number of female RC pilots is low in Oz compared to the USA, I have on a number of occasions had my ass handed to me by female RC pilots half my age >I note there are very few women who fly R/C models too. Far fewer than in >gliding in my experience. > >Mike

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2014-09-12 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 01:23 PM 13/09/2014, you wrote: Oh dear What does this say about me? I'm still here. Cath OK if you REALLY want the Dr Sheldon Cooper explanation: I used an imprecise generalisation. If the bell curve of "sensibility" has a peak in a different place for men and women and the one for m

Re: [Aus-soaring] Unsubscribe

2014-09-12 Thread Catherine Conway
Oh dear What does this say about me? I'm still here. Cath Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Sep 2014, at 10:32 am, Mike Borgelt > wrote: > > Jim, > > Don't blame you.This has become beyond stupid. > > Maybe there aren't more women in gliding because they are TOO BLOODY SENSIBLE! > > > > Mik

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2014-09-12 Thread Mike Borgelt
Ya know the instructions are at the bottom of every post on this list. But for the reading challenged: Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/list

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2014-09-12 Thread Rob Izatt
Unsubscribe me please. On 13/09/2014, at 10:01 AM, jim crowhurst wrote: > Unsubscribe me please > > Jim Crowhurst > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.

[Aus-soaring] Offensive and off-topic post

2014-09-12 Thread Nelson Handcock
What amazes me is that here we are 2 days after the original post, and the originator still has not offered any attempt (at least not that I have seen) at an apology We all screw up from time to time and do stupid things that we later regret, but perhaps this will blow over a bit quicker if th

Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude

2014-09-12 Thread Christopher McDonnell
I very much doubt it. Re agreement, the word duress or something similar springs to mind. From: Rob Izatt Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 10:34 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude But it has everything to do with being

Re: [Aus-soaring] Unsubscribe

2014-09-12 Thread Mike Borgelt
Jim, Don't blame you.This has become beyond stupid. Maybe there aren't more women in gliding because they are TOO BLOODY SENSIBLE! Mike At 10:01 AM 13/09/2014, you wrote: Unsubscribe me please Jim Crowhurst ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-s

Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude

2014-09-12 Thread Rob Izatt
But it has everything to do with being a GFA member and the Administrative Appeals Tribunal would refer you to the GFA rules which you agreed to. GFA prohibits all forms of harassment discrimination and bullying based on personal characteristics listed in the Dictionary. Discrimination and hara

Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude

2014-09-12 Thread Christopher McDonnell
Rob Izatt said:“Those responsible should be made an example and their memberships suspended for 12 months - and it should be publicly announced.” Suspension of membership would mean you could not fly a glider. I have often wondered what the AAT would think of the removal of flying rights for

Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude

2014-09-12 Thread Rob Izatt
Teal my Mum is 85. She was the first woman in Australia to become a full member of the Australian Institute of Management in the 70's which at that time was a very big deal as it was the professional "club" for CEO's etc so I have had a long association with knocking down barriers Rob On 13/09

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2014-09-12 Thread jim crowhurst
Unsubscribe me please Jim Crowhurst___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring

Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude

2014-09-12 Thread Teal
On the subject of culture change: It's all very well saying (as some do) that the answer involves women developing a thick skin. But that's a pretty self-serving answer, if you ask me. "You change, so we don't have to." Culture change is hard, and requires a concerted effort by a lot of folk o

Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude

2014-09-12 Thread Rob Izatt
Richard Frawley/Terry Cubley There was another discussion recently regarding the Member Protection Policy. If the GFA has not acted yet on this rubbish then that is concrete proof it is no more than window dressing. Those responsible should be made an example and their memberships suspended for

Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude

2014-09-12 Thread Gary Stevenson
Hi Mark, Astounding! To me this is an absolutely stunning summary of the current situation. I can see why you have nominated not to make further comment - you have summed it up quite succulently, and there seems little else that can be meaningfully said by a mere male on this topic at this

Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude

2014-09-12 Thread Grietje Wansink
I don't know about the percentage but I can confirm the culture is totally different. I am dutch, started gliding in the Netherlands. With all respect but it was a shock for me when I first had to deal with some Australian glider pilots. The strangest encounter I have had was when we had an aud

Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude

2014-09-12 Thread Rob Izatt
In Holland over 40% of glider pilots are women I believe. Their culture is totally different. On 12/09/2014, at 7:09 PM, Mark Newton wrote: > > I reckon there will be a bunch of people who’ve read some of the posts on > this mailing list today who’ll be saying, “I don’t see the problem. It’s j

Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

2014-09-12 Thread Gary Stevenson
Hi Teal, Yeah, I remember you, from a few years back. Sorry to hear that you were injured, and could not fly for a while. It appears that you have now recovered enough to contemplate rejoining the flying (hopefully specifically the gliding) community. Your comment " . demonstrated to be qu

Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

2014-09-12 Thread Sean Jorgensen-Day
Inappropriate in this day and age. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Rammelt Sent: Friday, 12 September 2014 5:26 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring]

[Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude

2014-09-12 Thread Mark Newton
I reckon there will be a bunch of people who’ve read some of the posts on this mailing list today who’ll be saying, “I don’t see the problem. It’s just a bit of harmless fun. Doesn’t hurt anybody.” Guys say that all the time, never realizing that the only reason they're able to say it is becau