Dear Bernard,
Good on you for speaking out I guess you weighed up sending out the email in
the first place.
Gliding has left a bad taste in my mouth on several occasions.
Hopefully there can be a change in the way whole gliding activity nationwide is
run to cater for people that deny responsi
Al Borowski,
Don't forget that in RAAus you don't need to join a club either and
someone with a motorglider operating out of his farm strip or local
airport won't get any benefit out of a club many hundreds of kilometers away.
Richard is just floundering. The 2nd inspection after rigging has
Oh grow up Ron.
- Original Message -
From: Ron Sanders
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters
Dear Ian, it is very interesting reading this present argument b
esday, April 29, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters
Dear Ian, it is very interesting reading this present argument between the
guys wanting the status Quo and the pro democrats re the GFA and one thing that
I note is whilst the pro-democrats are very vocal in their att
Sent: Wednesday, 29 April 2009 8:12 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters
Hi David,
Read your stuff. Good on you for taking the time to read mine. Are you in
the legal profession coz you sound just like you are.
Aus -soaring gives
o big deal, but dont mess with the people that keep
great things flying, one day you might need them..
cordiallyJR
- Original Message -
From: David Lawley
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters
n P
- Original Message -
From: David Lawley
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters
Hi all,
Harry Meldicotts post sums up the issue brilliantly, and succintly, I wish I
could have put it tha
Hi all,
Harry Meldicotts post sums up the issue brilliantly, and succintly, I wish I
could have put it that well!
Highlight for me was;
"Credulity is stretched by those who seek to justify this position.
Arguments such as "we know best, can't trust the members to elect the right
people"
gi
atching
- Original Message -
From:
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters.
It is a little hard keeping up with a lot of the rubbish being espoused on
this discussion list, must
Thanks for that Al =)
Cheers,
Richard
--- On Tue, 28/4/09, Al Borowski wrote:
From: Al Borowski
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters. Democracy vs. reality
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
Received: Tuesday, 28 April, 2009, 11:53 AM
Hi Richard,
[...]
In my experience glider pilots just want to go flying really, and are just
> very apathetic when it comes to the necessary administration & rule-making
> that allows us to operate in a relatively low-cost & non-onerous way. Yes
> non-onerous (relatively) when you look at the big
Mail box overload this morning!
The gripes seem no different to those about other governing bodies anywhere
in the World.
Possibly, the BGA - British Gliding Association - receives the fewest
complaints.
SSA - Soaring Society of America - (now seems a microcosm of the entire USA
debacle) proba
that someone is willing to do it because you
won't/can't/already have.
Cheers,
Richard McLean
--- On Mon, 27/4/09, Alan Wilson wrote:
> From: Alan Wilson
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters. Democracy vs. reality
> To: ha...@interweft.com.au, "Discussion of is
April 27, 2009 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters.
> Hi Simon,
> I is glad that you is just a 'dozer driver an not some kinda hot shot
lawer
> (yet)!
>
> Seriously, I am sure that you and Terry and Alan too, have got to/ are
> approaching the nub of the thin
on of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'"
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters.
Terry, it seems to me that for the GFA, disseminating corporate
knowledge with regard to aviation stuff is a core function. One of the
strengths that we have is an a
Alan Wilson wrote:
Richard,
We/you don't elect the Prime Minister, Deputy PM, or Treasurer in
Australian democracy. You only get to vote for your local member.
We don't get to select who does those jobs, but they are all local
members that must face their electorates, the ordinary voters. A
Well said Terry.
Roger Browne
cub...@vic.chariot.net.au wrote:
It is a little hard keeping up with a lot of the rubbish being espoused on this discussion list, must be
a change in the weather or the moon's phases at the moment?.
I am a little confused by the constant reference to the undemocr
I could have all wrong, but is it not exactly the same system we use here in
Australia? We elect the parliament (board) and they , well the winning
party, then choose the PM and ministers (president, vice president,
treasurer ) from those elected.
Cheers
Paul
2009/4/27 Robert Hart
> cub...
g elected. Almost to the point that anyone who wants the job can have it.
SMFSLT
Alan Wilson
Canberra
Ph 04 1623 1641
From: Robert Hart
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:51 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters.
cub...@vic.char
cub...@vic.chariot.net.au wrote:
I am a little confused by the constant reference to the undemocratic system of GFA. It doesn't
appear too different from the national political system. If you want to serve, and have some great
(even radical) ideas, you only have to convince enough people t
ustralia."
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters.
It is a little hard keeping up with a lot of the rubbish being espoused on
this discussion list, must be
a change in the weather or the moon's phases at the moment?.
I am a little confused by the constant reference to the undemocrati
Terry, it seems to me that for the GFA, disseminating corporate
knowledge with regard to aviation stuff is a core function. One of the
strengths that we have is an ability to tap in to some diverse (and in
many cases wise) brains. Of the GFA executive that I have had dealings
with, I would be surpr
ubject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters.
> It is a little hard keeping up with a lot of the rubbish being espoused on
this discussion list, must be
> a change in the weather or the moon's phases at the moment?.
>
> I am a little confused by the constant reference to the undemocrati
It is a little hard keeping up with a lot of the rubbish being espoused on this
discussion list, must be
a change in the weather or the moon's phases at the moment?.
I am a little confused by the constant reference to the undemocratic system of
GFA. It doesn't
appear too different from the nat
reality check.
Cheers
Mark
From: resand...@gmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:24:30 +0200
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters.
Dear Mark, boy did you get up on the wrong side of the bed or what today!
Generally I am just a “lurker” but I do
David Lawley wrote:
Stop it please Rolf I am dying of laughter here, I am afraid
that if you have radical ides for change you can forget it you can't
get elected to the board without being part of the groupthink mentality
that has a gerrymander on the current undemocratic system by which t
Unsubscribe is on the top of the email box.
From: m...@maddogcomposites.com.au
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:37:13 +1000
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters.
Can someone direct me to the person to get me removed from this mailing list. I
ubject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters.
Now there is an argument.
Lets break it down then:
The "GFA" needs to be completely blown up to actually work? yes/no/maybe
Scary thought that one.
The "GFA" fails at retaining members ? yes/no/maybe?
Mike is right? yes/no/never
hat if you dont have blue eyes and blond hair.
Cheers
Mark
From: davidlaw...@hotmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:27:36 +
Subject: [Aus-soaring] GFA matters.
Hi all,
Mark worte;
"If a change does not get made to the constituti
Dear mr laley
please try to get at least my name right and read posts in correct order. I've
written nothing of the kind you say I have.
Rolf
R Beutler wrote;
"I do know that we have an organisation where you can get yourself elected if
others agree with you perhaps that is the rea
Hi all,
Mark worte;
"If a change does not get made to the constitution all corporate knowledge
will be lost by mandate every 2 years, (Thats Bad).
This being the 5 + years of corporate knowledge that has made the GFA the utter
failure it is in retaining members? Frankly, I would rather see
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