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To be honest, I'm unconvinced by Project Canvas. It's
difficult to see how a UK only system is going to compete in
this day and age. What does it do that a Google TV box can't
do? Why would a manufacturer make a Canvas box instead of
something that
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:22, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
The systems in a UK TV reciever are different to those of a French one,
of a German one, of a USA one
Are you honestly saying that a DVB-T receiver bought today in Germany
won't work in France or the UK? Yes, the US
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:35, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
Are you honestly saying that a DVB-T receiver bought today in Germany
won't work in France or the UK? Yes, the US won't use DVB because it
wasn't invented there and there are some slight
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:41, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
It should work. But not everything will work. The EPG probably won't,
nor the Now and Next. You're unlikely to get traditional teletext.
And if you're German, you won't get the menus in German.
As a German would
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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:41, Andrew Bowden
andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
It should work. But not everything will work. The EPG probably
won't, nor the Now and Next. You're unlikely to get
traditional teletext.
And if you're German, you
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:43, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
As I said, it'll work in a basic generic fashion, but there are many
many aspects which vary between countries, including the EPG and Red
Button.
Which doesn't help the consumer at all. If I buy an ATSC TV in the New
York and
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:41, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:22, Andrew Bowden
andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
The systems in a UK TV reciever are different to those of a French
one, of a German one, of a USA one
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Andrew Bowden wrote:
It should work. But not everything will work. The EPG probably won't,
nor the Now and Next. You're unlikely to get traditional teletext.
And if you're German, you won't get the menus in German.
As a German would you buy a UK set top box?
As a Brit
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[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden
Sent: 14 September 2010 09:42
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium
It should work. But not everything will work. The EPG
probably
On 13/09/2010 23:11, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 21:22, David Tomlinson
d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
The Google TV box (Logitech Revue) is an addition to your set top box, so it
does not integrate with Free To Air TV and may be unable to access UK
catch-up
I think you might be surprised Andrew how well DVB kit works
across Europe from the larger manufacturers. The LCD screens
we have in the office are an EU wide model that asks you for
the country and language first time you switch them on, and
because they are an EU wide design give us
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:21, David Tomlinson
d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
On 13/09/2010 23:11, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:
The distributors already use GeoIP or billing addresses to attempt to
restrict access on the internet to services (including the BBC), and while
iplayer, ITV
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:34, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
I think that until we start seeing manufacturers piping up saying that
they're going to start supporting Canvas in devices I can pop down to
Tesco and buy it's too early to say that Canvas will
I agree with you entirely, Paul.
Btw, did folks here see my recent posts to the gets even better and scaling
blogs?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/09/bbc_iplayer_gets_even_better.html
- mine are near the bottom.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:08, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
Given the specs haven't been finished yet, it's the preserve of
precisely nobody _right now_.
True, but I still would have expected at least one of the big
manufacturers to be on board by now. Failing that, even someone like
On 13 Sep 2010, at 19:38, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:
Why would a manufacturer
make a Canvas box instead of something that they can sell in most of
the world (or even all of the world with the right components)?
Why would a manufacturer make a Freesat box instead of something that they can
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:42, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:08, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
Given the specs haven't been finished yet, it's the preserve of
precisely nobody _right now_.
True, but I still would have
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:50, Stephen Jolly st...@jollys.org wrote:
On 13 Sep 2010, at 19:38, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:
Why would a manufacturer
make a Canvas box instead of something that they can sell in most of
the world (or even all of the world with the right components)?
Why
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:51, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:42, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:08, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
Well, widespread support from the industry:
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-canvas-complaint-5-comes-from-open-source-software-fans/
The OSC is a small body, with 23 members from small development and
consultancy firms, and it’s objection is largely philosophical - that
Canvas isn’t “open” in the same way Unix and Linux lovers
Anyone else notice the similarity between the OSC's position and that held by
Clive Sinclair and Chris Curry back when rhe Beeb were backing the NewBrain?
- Original message -
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-canvas-complaint-5-comes-from-open-source-software-fans/
The OSC is
I'd also say they've done the same with the iPlayer client. If they opened it
up, it could be running on pretty mujch anything within months.
- Original message -
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-canvas-complaint-5-comes-from-open-source-software-fans/
The OSC is a small body,
On 13 September 2010 12:19, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/downloads/project_canvas/project_canvas_consultation_response.pdf
Accordingly, Project Canvas should all the application programme interfaces
(“API”s) and use and publish
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 13:21, Nick Morrott knowledgejun...@gmail.com wrote:
Accordingly, Project Canvas should publish all the application
programming interfaces (“API”s) and use unencumbered open standards so
as to enable anyone to provide “Project Canvas-ready” client solutions
on any
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 13:33, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 13:21, Nick Morrott knowledgejun...@gmail.com wrote:
Accordingly, Project Canvas should publish all the application
programming interfaces (“API”s) and use unencumbered open standards so
as to enable
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:33:38 +0100, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 13:21, Nick Morrott knowledgejun...@gmail.com
wrote:
Accordingly, Project Canvas should publish all the application
programming interfaces (“API”s) and use unencumbered open standards
so
as to
On 13 September 2010 13:36, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 13:33, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 13:21, Nick Morrott knowledgejun...@gmail.com
wrote:
Accordingly, Project Canvas should publish all the application
programming
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Mo McRoberts wrote:
If you're going to bitch and moan, at least bloody do it coherently.
Clarification: when I say you I say so in the general sense, not you
specifically.
ObEnglish: It's for cases like this that the olde english ye should
be re-surrected, and why its
On 13/09/2010 13:39, Tim Dobson wrote:
Gah, this makes no sense in the context of what Canvas actually is.
If you're going to bitch and moan, at least bloody do it coherently.
+1
A sense of outrage always makes me incoherent too.
So what is Canvas ?
A black box under the control of a
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:19, David Tomlinson
d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
To quote the OSC.
http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/downloads/project_canvas/project_canvas_consultation_response.pdf
Project Canvas in its current form is going to lead to the BBC having
unprecedented
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 19:38, Scot McSweeney-Roberts bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-
To be honest, I'm unconvinced by Project Canvas. It's difficult to see
how a UK only system is going to compete in this day and age. What
does it do that a Google TV box can't do? Why would a manufacturer
make a
To be honest, I'm unconvinced by Project Canvas. It's difficult to see
how a UK only system is going to compete in this day and age. What
does it do that a Google TV box can't do? Why would a manufacturer
make a Canvas box instead of something that they can sell in most of
the world (or even
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 21:22, David Tomlinson
d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
The Google TV box (Logitech Revue) is an addition to your set top box, so it
does not integrate with Free To Air TV and may be unable to access UK
catch-up content.
But it's also getting installed directly into
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