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[mailto:bounce-511645-27...@list.jccc.edu] On Behalf Of Don Calkins
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Subject: Re: : The Seal of the Prophets interesting (I believe two new
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> (sigh...) That's a metaphor. We can use tables. And we discussed this
> 6 months ago.
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My only point is that your fast starts earlier than ours.
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(sigh...) That's a metaphor. We can use tables. And we discussed this
6 months ago.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Susan Maneck wrote:
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>> The Muslim fasting is actually from daybreak (before the sun is
>> actually up) to sunset.
>
> That
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> Withdrawal from the world? Being a monk or nun doesn't require that
> intriniscally. There are activist monks and nuns.
But they still don't marry which is withdrawing from the world in one
of most essential ways.
>>>
But people don't co
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> The Muslim fasting is actually from daybreak (before the sun is
> actually up) to sunset.
That's true. We don't have the white thread/black thread stuff.
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> Withdrawal from the world? Being a monk or nun doesn't require that
> intriniscally. There are activist monks and nuns.
But they still don't marry which is withdrawing from the world in one
of most essential ways.
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Susan Maneck wrote:
>> Also, what were the rules on fasting?
>> Isn't fasting not eating or drinking (or smoking)?
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> Yes, within the Baha'i context (like Islam) it is not doing this
> between sunrise and sunset. The only difference he
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> The prbolem is that there is a flexibility of definition in the word
> monaticism. Some monks and nuns work. Some do charity. Some are out helpin
> people like Mother Teressa was for an example. Some marry (rare, but this
> was due to East A
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> The prbolem is that there is a flexibility of definition in the word
> monaticism. Some monks and nuns work. Some do charity. Some are out helpin
> people like Mother Teressa was for an example. Some marry (rare, but this
> was due to East Asia and Tibet not fully acce
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> forbid monasticism, but due to this translation issue could it be that
> actually hermetism is what is forbidden instead?
I don't think so. Baha'u'llah's statements in this regard is pretty general:
"Say: O concourse of monks! Seclude not yourselv
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In regards to this whole najas issue, it is not just that Baha'is
don't regard unbelievers as unclean, we also have no concept of ritual
uncleanliness in regards to certain foods as Muslims do. Of course, we
wash our food, but there are no foods, other than drugs and alc
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> Sex is also prohibited as well as certain practices which are similar
> enough to eating, drinking, and having sex.
I've not read anything in the Writings about having sex during the
Fast but I know some Persians who are insistent that this is included
as well. Speak
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> The Qur'an only has that one ayat on the subject of monasticism. Also, I
> find it weird of God speaking in the plural.
You've probably noticed that Baha'i scriptures do so as well and even
in the Old Testament. It is what is known grammatically as the "royal
we." It
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http://bahai-library.com/?id=207
Mahatma Gandhi and the Baha'is
Striving towards a Nonviolent Civilization
by M. V. Gandhimohan
Yes, this is the article of the book.
Let's discuss.
Section 13 for example. Unity is more important that truth? Coorperating with
tyrants
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So why should non-Baha'is care if Baha'u'llah says there will be no new
prophets for atleast 1000 years? (Some Pilgrim Note say 1000 years is a minimum
and it could be 6000 years to 500,000 years depending on the need of humanity.)
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> Does
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Continuing...
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Gilberto Simpson <
gilberto.simp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
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> > Dear Gilberto;
> > Thanks for your message.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> > A couple of points, since
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> I do see Hadith quoted in Baha'i articles every now and then like
> #17 Seek knowledge even as far as China.
Sure. We just don't make assumptions regarding the authenticity of hadiths.
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Khazeh jan,
I seem to be missing the first part of this paper. Could you resend it
to me privately?
thanks, Susan
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Khazeh wrote:
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> Future Messengers
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> Finally a significant difference that has been ident
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> Doesn't the UHJ only have jurisdiction over Baha'is?
Of course. And the statement "whoso layeth claim to a revelation
direct from God" is directed to Baha'is as well.
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I do see Hadith quoted in Baha'i articles every now and then like
#17 Seek knowledge even as far as China.
From: Stephen Gray
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Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 12:24:15 PM
Subject: Re: Fabricated Hadith
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Stephen Gray wrote:
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> Also, what were the rules on fasting?
> Isn't fasting not eating or drinking (or smoking)?
Sex is also prohibited as well as certain practices which are similar
enough to eating, dr
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al-Hadid 057:027
57:27 ثم قفينا على اثارهم برسلنا وقفينا بعيسى ابن مريم واتيناه الانجيل وجعلنا
في قلوب الذين اتبعوه رافة ورحمة ورهبانية ابتدعوها ماكتبناها عليهم الا ابتغاء
رضوان الله فما رعوها حق رعايتها فاتينا الذين امنوا منهم اجرهم وكثير منهم فاسقون
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Doesn't the UHJ only have jurisdiction over Baha'is?
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> What about the restoration of an existing religion?
According to Abdu'l-Baha's interpretation anyone claiming authority
over the House of Justice would be laying claim to an Amr in t
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The Qur'an only has that one ayat on the subject of monasticism. Also, I find
it weird of God speaking in the plural. Also, some translations use the word
hermitism instead. This changes the meaning drastically as the word monasticism
usually refers to Cenobites rathe
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> What about the restoration of an existing religion?
According to Abdu'l-Baha's interpretation anyone claiming authority
over the House of Justice would be laying claim to an Amr in that
sense:
"The meaning of this is that any individual who, before the expiry of
a fu
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In "Revelation of Baha'u'llah," Vol. 3 by Adib Taherzadeh, he cites
Baha'u'llah on page 286 of his book:
"In one of His Tablets, Baha'u'llah states that every created thing in this
physical world has counterparts in all the worlds of God..." and
references Ma'idi
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In the words of Mohja Kahf, who wrote a rather sensual love poem set
during Ramadan, there is "more than one way to break a fast". Also, at
one point the rules for fasting were actually a little bit stricter
than they are today as well. You also might want to look at the
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Your argument isn't symmetrical. No one is saying that everyone who
uses their real name is qualified to speak in an academic context. Not
being anonymous is a necessary condition not a a sufficient one.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Stephen Gray wrote:
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Dear Susan:
Correct. That is my understanding as well.
Best regards,
Iskandar
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What about the restoration of an existing religion?
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> Regarding your question about "a lying impostor", etc. I would say that if
> someone claims to have a Revelation direct from God, then I should do an
> unfettered and independent investi
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The point should be using a pseudonymn no more disqualifies you as using a real
name qualifies you.
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> Critics of Islam take the writings of Ibn Warraq seriously despite that's a
> pseudonymn.
That's because they are critics of Islam, not
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> Regarding your question about "a lying impostor", etc. I would say that if
> someone claims to have a Revelation direct from God, then I should do an
> unfettered and independent investigation of the issue and try to determine
> with my own judgement if s/he is true or
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A revelation direct from God? Can there be a revelation indirect from God?
I guess we could give Joseph Smith as an example. He could communicate with
angels and he had the spiritual ability to translate the Book of Mormon. The
prophet was Moroni from the fourth/
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Dear Gilberto;
Thanks for your message.
A couple of points, since we are discussing differences:
Cleanliness and "litAAfat" (both physical purity and cleanliness and
spiritual, mental cleanliness, purity of thought, purity of mind) is
certainly very much encouraged in
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People do seem to feel negating the negative rather than affirming the positive
allows for more room for free will. Liberty is a negative concept in that it is
the abscence of slavery, tyranny, oppression, etc. How can someone develop
virtues unless they also reje
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> Isn't the concept of the Word in this sense date back to Plato, Platonists,
> and Neoplatonists?
Yes.
The Logos (Word) is God, but is subordiante to God in
> such a way as even though it is the same as God,
The Logos in Neoplatonic thought is the first emanation fro
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There have been people who have come to the prophet and explained how they love
to be engaged in prayer and fasting for the sake of God. However, the Prophet
Mohammed told them that despite this being good it is also a blessing to raise
a family, to remain moderate an
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> Critics of Islam take the writings of Ibn Warraq seriously despite that's a
> pseudonymn.
That's because they are critics of Islam, not academics. They will use
any ammunition they can get.
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On 17 Jun 2010 at 10:27, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
> I think there is more to the
> novels than just that. In the later novels, the Authority (presumably
> "God") and his forces led by the angel Metatron are the primary
> enemies. And at one po
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Books of God have been subject to corruption via manipulation, scribal errors,
lost fragments, etc. Sura 9 for example used to have as many verses as Sura 2.
Yes, you can see it's missing it's basmala as proof that this as well as
several verses are missing. Also, e
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Isn't the concept of the Word in this sense date back to Plato, Platonists, and
Neoplatonists? The Logos (Word) is God, but is subordiante to God in such a way
as even though it is the same as God, it can be said to be a second God at the
same time. God and his Lo
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Critics of Islam take the writings of Ibn Warraq seriously despite that's a
pseudonymn.
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> I think he is taken seriously but because of the extreme sensitivity of the
> issue and the potential threats against his life, he had to use a pseu
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Yes, but note Mani who also claimed to be the Seal of the Prophets.
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On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Stephen Gray wrote:
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam
> Some Muslims list Zoroaster, Bu
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No, you are mistaken about The Bab's views on the so called 12th Imam.
Read His "Seven Proofs", for example.
Samarra or Jamkaran, Jabolqa or Jaborsa, etc., is irrelevant. Hasan al-
askari was not survived by any living son.
Best regards,
Iskandar
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dear Hajir,
We are talking about the eternal spiritual truth,and not the physical/material
things.Hum?
Yours/Rohani
--- On Mon, 6/28/10, hajmog wrote:
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Subject: Re: Seal of the Prophets
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Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 1:28 PM
The Baha
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I agree with this view.
Thanks/Rohani
--- On Mon, 6/28/10, Susan Maneck wrote:
From: Susan Maneck
Subject: Re: Seal of the Prophets
To: "Baha'i Studies"
Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 1:13 PM
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Shaykhi was true in it's own day,
> but became
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All dear friends,
Although it is a nice discussion,but it is moving from a subject to another
subject.What I can add is that Shaikhiya is also a Shiite sect.The 12th
Imam,Mahdi, was also born physically.Since Hazrat A'la[Bab] in his words has
acknowledged it,and had r
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