[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-14 Thread Roland Hayes
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of "Mathias Rösel" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:02 PM To: baroque Lutelist Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? > I use my tuner to get my open strings and frets about right in > Kirnberger I

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-14 Thread Mathias Rösel
Modern > > strings and winds, supposedly in ET, are constantly > > adjusting intervals by ear as they play - as they > > should.  Fortunately for us, tuning systems are rarely > > of much use outside of theory. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- On S

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-13 Thread chriswilke
Rösel" wrote: > From: "Mathias Rösel" > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? > To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:03 AM > I obviously failed to get Kirnberger > III as a joke. That's the prob with

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-13 Thread David van Ooijen
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:03 PM, "Mathias Rösel" wrote: > I obviously failed to get Kirnberger III as a joke. The running gag here tends to be Jaegermeister III. David - in a country where too many people tune Werckmeister III and Jaegermeister is a strong alcoholic beverage -- *

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-13 Thread Mathias Rösel
use > outside of theory. > > Chris > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Rösel" wrote: > > > From: "Mathias Rösel" > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? > > To: chriswi...@yahoo.com > > Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.ed

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-13 Thread chriswilke
ris --- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Rösel" wrote: > From: "Mathias Rösel" > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? > To: chriswi...@yahoo.com > Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 5:34 PM > Chris, > >

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I spoke of the Dm tuning. MH --- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Roesel" wrote: From: "Mathias Roesel" Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 16:40 I w

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-12 Thread Mathias Rösel
could be > problematic. I finally decided the payoff wasn't really worth the time and > have since gone back to (mostly) ET with no great sense of loss. > > Chris > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Rösel" wrote: > > > From: "Mathias Rösel" &

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-12 Thread chriswilke
e and have since gone back to (mostly) ET with no great sense of loss. Chris --- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Rösel" wrote: > From: "Mathias Rösel" > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? > To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: Saturday, D

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-12 Thread wikla
Thanks to everyone! To me lowering a little the open string a's and lowering a little the 4th fret really made it! Now the instrument sounds like a lute! All best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-12 Thread Mathias Rösel
Could say how to do that? Mathias schrieb: > I've found that Kirnberger III works pretty well. I used it for a while > although I'm back to ET nowadays. > > Chris > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Edward Martin wrote: > > > From: Edward Martin > > Sub

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-12 Thread Mathias Rösel
I wonder how to do that. In French flat, the basic chords are ch. C mj A mn g' -a|r-- e' -a|a-- c' -a|a-- a-d|a-- e-d|a-- B-b|b-- bass 5 a - ch. G mj F mj g' -a|r-- e' -d|-

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-12 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Whilst agreeing that much of the 18thC Dm repertoire requires equal temperament (or near), there's a case for some form of meantone for the earlier French repertoire which asks for fewer modulations and generally uses less extreme keys. The ubiquitous use of unisons (eg open first

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-12 Thread Markus Lutz
n wrote: From: Edward Martin Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? To: ""Mathias Rösel"" , baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:36 PM I agree with Mathias. ET works best for d minor tuned lutes. ed At 05:16 PM 12/11/2009, Mat

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-11 Thread chriswilke
I've found that Kirnberger III works pretty well. I used it for a while although I'm back to ET nowadays. Chris --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Edward Martin wrote: > From: Edward Martin > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? > To: ""Math

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-11 Thread Edward Martin
I agree with Mathias. ET works best for d minor tuned lutes. ed At 05:16 PM 12/11/2009, Mathias Rösel wrote: I never tried to get MT on the 11c lute. Taking the a's and fourth frets a bit down seems about all you can do if you absolutely want to. I don't because IMHO 11c lutes in D minor tunin

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?

2009-12-11 Thread Mathias Rösel
I never tried to get MT on the 11c lute. Taking the a's and fourth frets a bit down seems about all you can do if you absolutely want to. I don't because IMHO 11c lutes in D minor tuning were invented, so to say, for ET. The same applies to the predecessors and company of the D minor tuning, i. e.